| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:31 - May 22 with 2670 views | HalifaxBlue |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 15:34 - May 22 by Churchman |
Clive Whittingham says of AD:
‘Something that looks like a footballer, in a football kit, that we just stand at the side there and look at, and it sits there and looks back at you, doing nothing of any use whatsoever, just existing. The sort of tat your nan accumulates a lot of, necessitating a huge house clearance when she slips in her own p1ss one too many times and you have to put her into a home. Pick Andre Dozzell up, look at the sole of his foot, I swear to God it’ll say Made In China on there.’
Ainsworth clearly isn’t a fan and wild thing’s hoofball isn’t going to suit Dozzell. If he was available, would you welcome him back? |
I'm a statto, the only time I've ever seen a midfielder play a full 90 mins and not complete a pass was under Ainsworth - and it happened twice. Doz stands no chance there under him. |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:51 - May 22 with 2599 views | keighleyblue |
On LFW....I see how his articles get a laugh, but I cant personally see how it helps their club in any way, shape or form. I just cannot imagine Phil or Gav attacking our players - even during the bad times - with such vitriol and bitchiness, disguised as analysis. The players will read this stuff and conclude that as it's a fans forum, the fans hate them too, and so the circle is unbroken.
Yes I enjoy the scything witticisms (as its not my club), yes the truth hurts, but I just don't get it. Totally counter productive imo. |  | | |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:57 - May 22 with 2597 views | Vic |
Sadly I think Andre represents a lot of what was wrong with us a few years ago. He looks as if he should do the business and a few lovely touches and passes suggest there’s more there, but it never really arrives. He’s too lightweight and ultimately too slow.
I mean, compare him to what we have now and he’s a boy in comparison. It pains me to say it, but so many of the lads that came through the youths in that period. Amount boys their age at the time they were good, but for some reason (was it the coaching) few if any seem to have properly kicked on into real blokes football. Downes and Woolfie are the exceptions that prove the rule. Where are the rest? |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:58 - May 22 with 2588 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 17:37 - May 22 by clive_baker |
II think he's a player that hasn't yet found his position. I'm not convinced his future is as a deep lying ball player. I think he's technically very strong and clearly has an eye for a pass, but I've never seen the level of influence from him to be the 'drumbeat' for a side at that level and set the tempo. He's not a kid anymore, for me it's exactly the same reservations I had about Kevin Bru when he was here. Technically very able, clearly well schooled, but it counts for little unless you can influence a game consistently. Both have / had a tendency to go missing for large periods, lack physicality, and I think to play that role effectively you've got to be such a complete footballer.
I still think with his obvious attributes he would be better suited in the #10 role, let him create from higher up the pitch where he can do more damage, and take a little bit of that responsibility off his shoulders. |
He's just not got the dynamism or physicality to be a Championship CM. I think you've got to be a pretty special player technically to succeed in this division with his profile. And he isn't sadly. I was watching that Sunderland vs Luton game the other night and he'd have been eaten alive in that game. Even imagine him against Morsy/Luongo. They'd love to play in there against him. |  | | |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 08:14 - May 23 with 2403 views | solemio |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 17:19 - May 22 by Meadowlark |
When did "fanbase" become a word?
It is being used all the time now, and I'm not a fan. |
1960s. Keep up. | | | |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 09:27 - May 23 with 2361 views | itfcjoe |
I wonder if WBA fans start a thread every time Rekeem Harper has a bad game or a failed loan spell? |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 09:51 - May 23 with 2313 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 09:27 - May 23 by itfcjoe |
I wonder if WBA fans start a thread every time Rekeem Harper has a bad game or a failed loan spell? |
I hope not, their board would be full of them. |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 09:59 - May 23 with 2302 views | ReusersTown |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 15:34 - May 22 by Churchman |
Clive Whittingham says of AD:
‘Something that looks like a footballer, in a football kit, that we just stand at the side there and look at, and it sits there and looks back at you, doing nothing of any use whatsoever, just existing. The sort of tat your nan accumulates a lot of, necessitating a huge house clearance when she slips in her own p1ss one too many times and you have to put her into a home. Pick Andre Dozzell up, look at the sole of his foot, I swear to God it’ll say Made In China on there.’
Ainsworth clearly isn’t a fan and wild thing’s hoofball isn’t going to suit Dozzell. If he was available, would you welcome him back? |
The one thing Dozzell was certified as having going for him was a rare quality of passing but he hasn't been able to attach it to any other attribute it seems. Definitely not an Ainsworth player, stating the the obvious. Re: being suitable for us, as much as I'd love it, I think we showed with our system and Humphreys integration last year we struggled to accommodate the more technical lightweight midfielder as half of the pair. Who knows if this will be as much of an issue in the Championship, but I would definitely rather back Humphreys over Dozzell at this point as an option. | | | |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 13:32 - May 23 with 2188 views | stonojnr |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:57 - May 22 by Vic |
Sadly I think Andre represents a lot of what was wrong with us a few years ago. He looks as if he should do the business and a few lovely touches and passes suggest there’s more there, but it never really arrives. He’s too lightweight and ultimately too slow.
I mean, compare him to what we have now and he’s a boy in comparison. It pains me to say it, but so many of the lads that came through the youths in that period. Amount boys their age at the time they were good, but for some reason (was it the coaching) few if any seem to have properly kicked on into real blokes football. Downes and Woolfie are the exceptions that prove the rule. Where are the rest? |
despite lots claiming it was specific to the Ipswich academy, which at the time seemed to be just another brickbat to beat the clubs old regime with.
the reality of youth football in English football, which is laid bare in the book No Hunger in Paradise, and the BT Sport film adapted from it (probably on catch up still) worth a read or a watch, is that actually the majority of youth players at any club never make it as professional footballers at all.
in fact only 180 of the 1.5 million boys who play organised youth football in England become a Premier League pro, which is all their aim their dream, thats less than 1%, thats less than 0.1%.
so with those kinds of odds stacked against you, no you arent just because you looked a bit special at youth level translate into the next big thing in professional football.
kids grow and develop at different rates, with Dozzell it maybe just that he was ahead of his peers in terms of ability early in his career, but theyve all caught up with him as theyve aged, and maybe some have surpassed him now so now he doesnt stand out so much.
I think Town fans obsess over him purely because of his name, or he was the latest on a long list of players Town fans obsess about.
as others have said, he moved on, maybe its about time we did | | | |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 13:47 - May 23 with 2173 views | BlueBlood90 |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 15:35 - May 22 by hype313 |
Genuinely spitting in my Tea.
The thing is, we as a fanbase get a bit touchy whenever his name is brought up (and rightly, so to a point) but the barefaced facts are that he has been dreadful for a while now, all that promise should be in full swing now and he should be firing all cylinders, and unfortunately for him, he seems to be going backwards.
We witnessed these kind of performances in his time here, but we purred at his vision, his eye of the needle balls through, however, he doesn't seem to do that anymore and you can't really be a one trick pony these days.
Wish him nothing but love, but feel he has reached he highest he will get to and it will be downhill from here. |
Definitely not! |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 13:54 - May 23 with 2166 views | N2_Blue |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:57 - May 22 by Vic |
Sadly I think Andre represents a lot of what was wrong with us a few years ago. He looks as if he should do the business and a few lovely touches and passes suggest there’s more there, but it never really arrives. He’s too lightweight and ultimately too slow.
I mean, compare him to what we have now and he’s a boy in comparison. It pains me to say it, but so many of the lads that came through the youths in that period. Amount boys their age at the time they were good, but for some reason (was it the coaching) few if any seem to have properly kicked on into real blokes football. Downes and Woolfie are the exceptions that prove the rule. Where are the rest? |
Glad someone else sees this. I never understood the hype.
I know plenty of amateur footballers who can play a killer though ball and have an eye for a pass. It doesn’t make you a pro footballer. You need far more than that. It’s another reason why freestylers who can do any amount of tricks with a ball don’t make a god football player.
He’s weak, positionally very poor, slow, can’t tackle and lacks heart and desire and has been playing above his level for a while because a few coaches have bought it to the fancy through balls without seeing the bigger picture.
He had one very good game for Town, against Brighton I think, but the majority of the time he was anonymous on the pitch. Absolutely no surprise to me he’s made no impression at all and think he’ll do well to get a league contract elsewhere. I think national league may be a more likely destination |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 15:30 - May 23 with 2087 views | J2BLUE |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 13:54 - May 23 by N2_Blue |
Glad someone else sees this. I never understood the hype.
I know plenty of amateur footballers who can play a killer though ball and have an eye for a pass. It doesn’t make you a pro footballer. You need far more than that. It’s another reason why freestylers who can do any amount of tricks with a ball don’t make a god football player.
He’s weak, positionally very poor, slow, can’t tackle and lacks heart and desire and has been playing above his level for a while because a few coaches have bought it to the fancy through balls without seeing the bigger picture.
He had one very good game for Town, against Brighton I think, but the majority of the time he was anonymous on the pitch. Absolutely no surprise to me he’s made no impression at all and think he’ll do well to get a league contract elsewhere. I think national league may be a more likely destination |
Me neither. He was always overrated by some and overly criticised by others.
He may well come good with a bit of love and good coaching but he's not one we miss. I wish we would wish him well and forget about him to be honest. |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 17:39 - May 23 with 1999 views | Bluesky |
Well Clive Whittingham certainly has a high opinion of himself and some of it is indeed amusing and clever. However, I think a good journalist would stop short of total demolition and maybe add a few sensible questions.
Has Andre Dozzell simply been overrated? Does he really want to be a professional footballer or is this a symptom of trying to follow an achieving parent's footsteps in spite of being a lesser talent? How much can a severe injury early in his career impact on confidence and physicality? How much to blame is the management's ability to understand his best role?
Whittingham does sport journalism no favours. Can you ever see Phil, Stuart or Andy writing this destructively about an individual in our squad? Easy to beat someone up; less easy to be more reflective, understanding and enlightening about what may have gone wrong. All this article does is to amuse.... briefly... then there is a bad taste in the mouth. |  | | |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 18:08 - May 23 with 1967 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
How did Ashton manage to get a fee for him? |  | | |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 18:14 - May 23 with 1954 views | clive_baker |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:58 - May 22 by tractorboy1978 |
He's just not got the dynamism or physicality to be a Championship CM. I think you've got to be a pretty special player technically to succeed in this division with his profile. And he isn't sadly. I was watching that Sunderland vs Luton game the other night and he'd have been eaten alive in that game. Even imagine him against Morsy/Luongo. They'd love to play in there against him. |
I think he's got a lot of talent, he's got the natural ability and technical ability in abundance, but I don't think his game has really evolved enough yet.
It happens quite a lot when players find a role in academy football that suits their game, and suits academy football, but the rigours of senior level (especially at such a high level) are completely different. Physically, mentally, emotionally. I think sometimes people can underestimate how difficult that step is. Academies can only prepare players to a certain degree, tactically and technically, but finding your way in the mens game is a different prospect altogether and I would say the role he's asked to play is a particularly difficult one in that respect. All these things can come with time and experience though, you mention Luongo, you only have to look at the sort of player he is now compared to 10 years ago and there are parallels with Dozzell, albeit different roles. He said himself in recent interviews how his game has evolved, he's street wise, he's bulked up, a ball carrier, an enforcer. He's a much more complete player than the one that emerged from Tottenham, and that's a journey Andre needs to go on IMO. How can he be a little more Mass and a little less Tom Carroll? I don't mean throwing himself into challenges, that might never be his game, but how can he become more rounded and influential in games, and supplement the clear natural ability he has.
He might not be in the best environment for it. He's not even been at QPR for 2 years yet and he's on his 4th manager. In hindsight it might not have been the best move for him but it's certainly not too late. |  |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:56 - May 23 with 1888 views | Vic |
Re the OP heading - I always did think he was a bit of an old woman! | |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 23:17 - May 23 with 1813 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 19:57 - May 22 by Vic |
Sadly I think Andre represents a lot of what was wrong with us a few years ago. He looks as if he should do the business and a few lovely touches and passes suggest there’s more there, but it never really arrives. He’s too lightweight and ultimately too slow.
I mean, compare him to what we have now and he’s a boy in comparison. It pains me to say it, but so many of the lads that came through the youths in that period. Amount boys their age at the time they were good, but for some reason (was it the coaching) few if any seem to have properly kicked on into real blokes football. Downes and Woolfie are the exceptions that prove the rule. Where are the rest? |
'Sadly I think Andre represents a lot of what was wrong with us a few years ago'
Bang on ! How accurate ! Couldn't agree more.
Had he started his career somewhere else things might have been different for him. But that was Ipswich, nice and cosy Ipswich. No pressure at all, Evans not interested hence the place was an easy payday for him and the rest.
Dozzell himself even admitted after leaving us that Ipswich was a 'comfortable zone' for him. That is very telling. That says a lot about him and the rest of the frauds whom Cook kicked out of the club during the Demolition Job.
Unfortunately he took his habits from Ipswich to QPR and no wonder he has been struggling. The facts and numbers are for all to see. He doesn't like knuckling down and that is his main issue.
That game on Sky which we lost to Swindon 2-3 and that wonder goal from Twine. Dozzell despite having been in the close proximity of Twine didn't make any effort to tackle or close him down. He was just jogging ! And who was the main culprit? Of course it was Lambert for many people as they never blamed Dozzell for his careless attitude.
Again, he doesn't like to work hard therefore he can only blame himself if he ends up in League Two or National League in the next couple of years. [Post edited 23 May 2023 23:20]
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 08:25 - May 24 with 1693 views | Churchman |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 17:39 - May 23 by Bluesky |
Well Clive Whittingham certainly has a high opinion of himself and some of it is indeed amusing and clever. However, I think a good journalist would stop short of total demolition and maybe add a few sensible questions.
Has Andre Dozzell simply been overrated? Does he really want to be a professional footballer or is this a symptom of trying to follow an achieving parent's footsteps in spite of being a lesser talent? How much can a severe injury early in his career impact on confidence and physicality? How much to blame is the management's ability to understand his best role?
Whittingham does sport journalism no favours. Can you ever see Phil, Stuart or Andy writing this destructively about an individual in our squad? Easy to beat someone up; less easy to be more reflective, understanding and enlightening about what may have gone wrong. All this article does is to amuse.... briefly... then there is a bad taste in the mouth. |
I have to disagree. Whittingham says it as he sees it. So do QPRs other supporters in their posts. Given what their club has been up to in the past six months, I don’t blame them. Their players are well paid and shouldn’t be beyond criticism from an independent supporters website any more than some of the wasters that were here when Gamechanger took over.
Do I prefer the style of match and other reporting on TWTD? Of course I do, because it tends to tell the story of what happened rather than wander into the realms of opinion which is something I criticise Radio 5 etc presenters for. But I do find Whittingham style interesting and amusing.
Does CW have a high opinion of himself? No idea, I’ve never met him but he clearly follows the club everywhere, presumably with his own time and money, so is qualified to offer a view any way he chooses. Bland it isn’t!!
The reasons behind Dozzell’s performance are not for a match report or even an end of term summary, in my opinion. |  | | |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 12:23 - May 24 with 1600 views | itfcjoe |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 18:14 - May 23 by clive_baker |
I think he's got a lot of talent, he's got the natural ability and technical ability in abundance, but I don't think his game has really evolved enough yet.
It happens quite a lot when players find a role in academy football that suits their game, and suits academy football, but the rigours of senior level (especially at such a high level) are completely different. Physically, mentally, emotionally. I think sometimes people can underestimate how difficult that step is. Academies can only prepare players to a certain degree, tactically and technically, but finding your way in the mens game is a different prospect altogether and I would say the role he's asked to play is a particularly difficult one in that respect. All these things can come with time and experience though, you mention Luongo, you only have to look at the sort of player he is now compared to 10 years ago and there are parallels with Dozzell, albeit different roles. He said himself in recent interviews how his game has evolved, he's street wise, he's bulked up, a ball carrier, an enforcer. He's a much more complete player than the one that emerged from Tottenham, and that's a journey Andre needs to go on IMO. How can he be a little more Mass and a little less Tom Carroll? I don't mean throwing himself into challenges, that might never be his game, but how can he become more rounded and influential in games, and supplement the clear natural ability he has.
He might not be in the best environment for it. He's not even been at QPR for 2 years yet and he's on his 4th manager. In hindsight it might not have been the best move for him but it's certainly not too late. |
Most youngsters need a good manager to trust them and develop them if they are to make a success of a senior career - the moment he got injured, and then saw Mick leave was when he was done for.
Mick had him starting as a deep midfielder, taking the ball off the keeper and CBs for what was a top half Championship side - sliding doors and all that but had he stayed fit and Mick continued to trust him to do a role he hadn't let anyone else do in an Ipswich shirt, he would have developed physically alongside it and the Sky would have been the limit.
By the time he was fit, he had Paul Hurst wanting to relegate him back into the U21s dressing room, and then Paul Lambert and his abysmal man management. QPR under Warburton was a good move, but it hasn't worked out.
Hopefully he can find a good loan next year with a manager who allows him to get some games under his belt in a role that suits him and the team | |
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| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 12:33 - May 24 with 1578 views | TractorCam |
| Oof.... a daming review of Andre Dozzell on the LFW end of season review... on 12:23 - May 24 by itfcjoe |
Most youngsters need a good manager to trust them and develop them if they are to make a success of a senior career - the moment he got injured, and then saw Mick leave was when he was done for.
Mick had him starting as a deep midfielder, taking the ball off the keeper and CBs for what was a top half Championship side - sliding doors and all that but had he stayed fit and Mick continued to trust him to do a role he hadn't let anyone else do in an Ipswich shirt, he would have developed physically alongside it and the Sky would have been the limit.
By the time he was fit, he had Paul Hurst wanting to relegate him back into the U21s dressing room, and then Paul Lambert and his abysmal man management. QPR under Warburton was a good move, but it hasn't worked out.
Hopefully he can find a good loan next year with a manager who allows him to get some games under his belt in a role that suits him and the team |
All ifs and buts, he got off to a flyer with his debut goal but only played in a handful of games the next season for a rubbish team that finished bottom half. Yes he started that opening match in 17/18 and the injury was of course unfortunate, but there's no guarantees he would have locked down that position and progressed. Bishop was good to start with but then stagnated.
Dozzell still has time to revive his career, but I can't see him playing above League One, unless he helps get a club promoted. |  |
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