| Civil war in Russia imminent? 23:05 - Jun 23 with 9389 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:16 - Jun 23 with 4843 views | the_toff |
Civil special military operation? |  | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:33 - Jun 23 with 4787 views | Guthrum |
Or it could simply be an excuse to declare martial law, as many of the hardliners are demanding. |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:34 - Jun 23 with 4780 views | homer_123 |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:33 - Jun 23 by Guthrum |
Or it could simply be an excuse to declare martial law, as many of the hardliners are demanding. |
You wouldn't put Wagner passed being in on this? |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:41 - Jun 23 with 4741 views | Keno |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:34 - Jun 23 by homer_123 |
You wouldn't put Wagner passed being in on this? |
He’s taken leaving Norwich hard hasn’t he |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:41 - Jun 23 with 4748 views | Guthrum |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:34 - Jun 23 by homer_123 |
You wouldn't put Wagner passed being in on this? |
Wouldn't have thought so, there's no easy way back from raising rebellion (unless you have an unassailable powerbase and often not even then). Prigozhin may just be an acceptable sacrifice, especially given he's gone off script.
Shoigu and his mates may want to smash Wagner, then absorb the remains into their own organisations (yes, the head of the Russian military is running a private mercenary group on the side). | |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:47 - Jun 23 with 4684 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Things are going batsh1t crazy by the look of things! |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:35 - Jun 24 with 4425 views | ElderGrizzly |
Latest. They have control of all military sites in Rostov
Reuters is reporting that video on a pro-Wagner channel on Telegram appears to show Yevgeny Prigozhin talking to top Russian generals in what the channel says is the district military headquarters in Rostov-on-Don. | | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:37 - Jun 24 with 4415 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:35 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
Latest. They have control of all military sites in Rostov
Reuters is reporting that video on a pro-Wagner channel on Telegram appears to show Yevgeny Prigozhin talking to top Russian generals in what the channel says is the district military headquarters in Rostov-on-Don. |
And advancing on Moscow
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:38 - Jun 24 with 4414 views | pennblue |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:35 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
Latest. They have control of all military sites in Rostov
Reuters is reporting that video on a pro-Wagner channel on Telegram appears to show Yevgeny Prigozhin talking to top Russian generals in what the channel says is the district military headquarters in Rostov-on-Don. |
It all sounds too good to be true | |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:41 - Jun 24 with 4412 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:38 - Jun 24 by pennblue |
It all sounds too good to be true |
You’d imagine in any normal world, Putin’s allies would squash him like a fly.
We don’t appear to be in a normal world though. How many are switching sides? Does Putin bring forces back from Ukraine to fight them?
Video from Prigozhin here
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:45 - Jun 24 with 4387 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:41 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
You’d imagine in any normal world, Putin’s allies would squash him like a fly.
We don’t appear to be in a normal world though. How many are switching sides? Does Putin bring forces back from Ukraine to fight them?
Video from Prigozhin here
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And now demanding Putin’s senior Generals come to him or he will bring his forces to Moscow
The likely outcome here is Putin gives Wagner group more authority, rather than a challenge to Putin’s leadership in the old fashioned way | | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:58 - Jun 24 with 4343 views | Churchman |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:41 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
You’d imagine in any normal world, Putin’s allies would squash him like a fly.
We don’t appear to be in a normal world though. How many are switching sides? Does Putin bring forces back from Ukraine to fight them?
Video from Prigozhin here
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He chose his words very carefully. He presents a reasonable man, everything is normal, we are supporting our country image. Putin cannot leave it and neither can his generals - but how do they deal with it and what is the risk of mutiny in the ‘real’ Russian army?
Given they’re just cannon fodder and are now hearing mixed stories, there is a possibility this could unravel for Putin. I guess a lot depends on how loyal Prigozhin’s people are to him. |  | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:06 - Jun 24 with 4309 views | wkj |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 23:41 - Jun 23 by Keno |
He’s taken leaving Norwich hard hasn’t he |
This is the military version of Bowyer vs Dyer, surely |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:08 - Jun 24 with 4303 views | Perublue |
Putin to speak to the nation very soon....should be interesting |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:14 - Jun 24 with 4287 views | WeWereZombies |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:45 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
And now demanding Putin’s senior Generals come to him or he will bring his forces to Moscow
The likely outcome here is Putin gives Wagner group more authority, rather than a challenge to Putin’s leadership in the old fashioned way |
One thing I took from the Igor Sushko tweet of Prigozhin talking was the comment about poorly equipped soldiers and it had me wondering about the scale of desertion likely in the Russian Army. After all it was a wave of desertion during the First World War that contributed to the success of the Russian Revolutions in 1917. I doubt that in the current climate deserters are going to find it easy to go home to Moscow or St Petersburg though, is Prigozhin offering them some form of reintegration into an armed force in Rostov ? |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:15 - Jun 24 with 4284 views | Churchman |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:08 - Jun 24 by Perublue |
Putin to speak to the nation very soon....should be interesting |
The sheer fact he thinks he has to speak to the nation says an awful lot. | | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:24 - Jun 24 with 4242 views | Perublue |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:15 - Jun 24 by Churchman |
The sheer fact he thinks he has to speak to the nation says an awful lot. |
Indeed,especially as so much of the country is unaware of even what's going on over the border.....meaning he potentially exposes himself .... ooh what a thought..shiver.. [Post edited 24 Jun 2023 7:25]
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:36 - Jun 24 with 4182 views | Churchman |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:24 - Jun 24 by Perublue |
Indeed,especially as so much of the country is unaware of even what's going on over the border.....meaning he potentially exposes himself .... ooh what a thought..shiver.. [Post edited 24 Jun 2023 7:25]
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So will Putin open his arms in friendship, all friends together fighting evil etc or declare him enemy of the state? As a dictator, doesn’t it have to be the latter? | | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:40 - Jun 24 with 4146 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:58 - Jun 24 by Churchman |
He chose his words very carefully. He presents a reasonable man, everything is normal, we are supporting our country image. Putin cannot leave it and neither can his generals - but how do they deal with it and what is the risk of mutiny in the ‘real’ Russian army?
Given they’re just cannon fodder and are now hearing mixed stories, there is a possibility this could unravel for Putin. I guess a lot depends on how loyal Prigozhin’s people are to him. |
I certainly wouldn’t be standing near any windows anytime soon | | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:55 - Jun 24 with 4110 views | Churchman |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:40 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
I certainly wouldn’t be standing near any windows anytime soon |
Windows locked, ground floor only, no umbrellas, door handles wiped, nosebag tested by a ‘volunteer’. That should cover it.
Oh, and cancel the personal pension direct debit. No point in wasting good roubles. | | | |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:56 - Jun 24 with 4102 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:45 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
And now demanding Putin’s senior Generals come to him or he will bring his forces to Moscow
The likely outcome here is Putin gives Wagner group more authority, rather than a challenge to Putin’s leadership in the old fashioned way |
He's been very careful with his words recently, blamed almost everyone in Russia apart from Putin earlier in the week and seemed to suggest the invasion was wrong but very much going after the generals.....who knows what he'd thinking |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 08:05 - Jun 24 with 4058 views | StokieBlue |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 07:36 - Jun 24 by Churchman |
So will Putin open his arms in friendship, all friends together fighting evil etc or declare him enemy of the state? As a dictator, doesn’t it have to be the latter? |
Very clearly an enemy of the state from this address.
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 08:24 - Jun 24 with 3940 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 08:05 - Jun 24 by StokieBlue |
Very clearly an enemy of the state from this address.
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Putin came across as being very vulnerable imo. I was expecting a rant blaming the west for backing Wager in a coup. Far too honest in his public address, which must lead people to question his grip on power. |  |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 08:45 - Jun 24 with 3868 views | Guthrum |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 06:41 - Jun 24 by ElderGrizzly |
You’d imagine in any normal world, Putin’s allies would squash him like a fly.
We don’t appear to be in a normal world though. How many are switching sides? Does Putin bring forces back from Ukraine to fight them?
Video from Prigozhin here
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Squash him with what, tho?
By positioning himself in Rostov, it negates use of the air force, who would have to bomb one of their own cities. Urban fighting is notoriously difficult and costly. There would be many civilian casualties.
It couldn't be done with conscripts and policemen. Properly-trained troops and heavy equipment would need to be brought up from either the front line (weakening it) or from a long distance away.
Rostov will have food, fuel and probably ammunition to withstand a lengthy siege. Plus it controls vital bridges over the Don.
In terms of public opinion, Putin has allowed civil war to come to the streets of Russia. | |
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| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 09:05 - Jun 24 with 3779 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Civil war in Russia imminent? on 08:24 - Jun 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Putin came across as being very vulnerable imo. I was expecting a rant blaming the west for backing Wager in a coup. Far too honest in his public address, which must lead people to question his grip on power. |
He’s certainly fanned the flames
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