| Downes 07:47 - Jul 3 with 13191 views | Clutch |
I know he doesn't play for us anymore, but looks like we will be playing against him next year as likely to leave West Ham, and Southampton want him. |  | | |  |
| Downes on 10:12 - Jul 3 with 2425 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes on 10:04 - Jul 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I'd personally see having just one striker as more urgent than an area where you have 7 players already. |
You can work on things concurrently |  |
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| Downes on 10:15 - Jul 3 with 2385 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Downes on 10:12 - Jul 3 by itfcjoe |
You can work on things concurrently |
Of course, but you're reducing the amount available for other areas. And as we've seen.. you get what you pay for. |  |
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| Downes on 10:16 - Jul 3 with 2409 views | PhilTWTD |
| Downes on 08:29 - Jul 3 by itfcjoe |
Maybe we want him as well? |
We're not interested. I had previously asked earlier in the summer and was told he might come under consideration but wasn't likely to happen but now seems not on the radar. |  | | |
| Downes on 10:16 - Jul 3 with 2383 views | pennblue |
| Downes on 10:05 - Jul 3 by Kieran_Knows |
But Downes is twice the player of any centre mid we currently have ... and if there's a chance of signing someone of that ilk (and if their interested of course), you don't turn it down regardless of however many other centre mids you have. |
really? I don't see that. He is younger and faster for sure, but he is no Morsy, and he is not a play maker either from what I remember. |  |
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| Downes on 10:19 - Jul 3 with 2356 views | PhilTWTD |
| Downes on 09:22 - Jul 3 by itfcjoe |
Because I heard about it weeks ago so just putting a bit of flesh on bones - it's not a deal I think we can/will get done, but it's certainly one we've looked (are looking?) at [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 9:22]
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Missed this when I added my post. I had heard similar but was played down as a pie in the sky possibility rather than something which was actively being worked on. | | | |
| Downes on 10:20 - Jul 3 with 2347 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes on 10:16 - Jul 3 by pennblue |
really? I don't see that. He is younger and faster for sure, but he is no Morsy, and he is not a play maker either from what I remember. |
When Sam Morsy left a mid table Championship club, he signed for a L1 team for £150k
When Flynn Downes left a mid table Championship side, he signed for a PL side in Europe for £9m | |
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| Downes on 10:22 - Jul 3 with 2318 views | hunty21 |
| Downes on 08:50 - Jul 3 by CityBlue |
the sell on clause would actually see us take him and be paid for it.... |
Sell on clause no longer valid we sold him to swansea so thsts a non starter | | | |
| Downes on 10:34 - Jul 3 with 2244 views | chicoazul |
| Downes on 09:18 - Jul 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Apart from anything else, what makes you think we even want him?
I mean, I know he's a great player, but we've just bought a central midfielder. With FFP and squad limits, and the need for 2 strikers, and his wages, and if he even wanted to come back here... you sure you've woken up properly Joe? You realise this isn't a dream, you have actually typed this IRL?! |
Lol
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| Downes on 10:36 - Jul 3 with 2236 views | chicoazul |
| Downes on 10:16 - Jul 3 by PhilTWTD |
We're not interested. I had previously asked earlier in the summer and was told he might come under consideration but wasn't likely to happen but now seems not on the radar. |
You said the same (more or less) about Taylor | |
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| Downes on 10:42 - Jul 3 with 2155 views | the_toff |
| Downes on 10:36 - Jul 3 by chicoazul |
You said the same (more or less) about Taylor |
No he didn't. Phil said the club had moved on from Taylor to other interests, which was the party line and clearly one the club were happy to release for a reason. Had the press, such as TWTD and EADT not reported that, it's possible that Peterborough wouldn't have rowed back from their position and expectations as promptly as they did, which allowed us to sign him at the right price. | | | |
| Downes on 10:43 - Jul 3 with 2143 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Downes on 10:16 - Jul 3 by pennblue |
really? I don't see that. He is younger and faster for sure, but he is no Morsy, and he is not a play maker either from what I remember. |
Ahahaha, what? |  |
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| Downes on 10:46 - Jul 3 with 2112 views | DanTheMan |
It's a hell of a take, isn't it? |  |
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| Downes on 10:47 - Jul 3 with 2109 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Downes on 10:42 - Jul 3 by the_toff |
No he didn't. Phil said the club had moved on from Taylor to other interests, which was the party line and clearly one the club were happy to release for a reason. Had the press, such as TWTD and EADT not reported that, it's possible that Peterborough wouldn't have rowed back from their position and expectations as promptly as they did, which allowed us to sign him at the right price. |
Any info the club releases is the 'party line' for a reason though. | | | |
| Downes on 10:54 - Jul 3 with 2057 views | the_toff |
| Downes on 10:47 - Jul 3 by tractorboy1978 |
Any info the club releases is the 'party line' for a reason though. |
Of course it is, and it's in the clubs interests for that to be shared. | | | |
| Downes on 11:04 - Jul 3 with 2011 views | leitrimblue |
I'm not suggesting we spend it, but does anyone have a rough idea what the maximum we could spend this season without braking FFP rules? |  | | |
| Downes on 11:06 - Jul 3 with 1990 views | Bugs |
| Downes on 11:04 - Jul 3 by leitrimblue |
I'm not suggesting we spend it, but does anyone have a rough idea what the maximum we could spend this season without braking FFP rules? |
Can't we spend what we like on transfers? It's the wages that FFP relates to? [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 11:58]
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| Downes on 11:07 - Jul 3 with 1979 views | J2BLUE |
Surprised at that. Thought he was about to get his big chance at West Ham. |  |
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| Downes on 11:10 - Jul 3 with 1935 views | leitrimblue |
| Downes on 11:06 - Jul 3 by Bugs |
Can't we spend what we like on transfers? It's the wages that FFP relates to? [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 11:58]
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I've no idea Bugs, hoping someone who knows stuff would be able to explain | | | |
| Downes on 11:14 - Jul 3 with 1895 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Downes on 11:07 - Jul 3 by J2BLUE |
Surprised at that. Thought he was about to get his big chance at West Ham. |
Yeah, me too. He'd be a cracking signing for S'ton and would be a perfect fit for how Martin sets up his team (as he was at Swansea obviously). I did think he'd get more of a chance at West Ham though (maybe he still will) |  |
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| Downes on 11:15 - Jul 3 with 1888 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Downes on 11:06 - Jul 3 by Bugs |
Can't we spend what we like on transfers? It's the wages that FFP relates to? [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 11:58]
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Transfer fees get amortised over the length of the contract the player signs. So say we signed Downes for £8m on a 4 year contract, we would have to release £2m of 'cost' to the profit and loss account each year on top of his wages for 12 months.
You are allowed to lose £39m over a 3 year period. Some costs get excluded from these figures, most notably any spending on infrastructure and any promotion bonuses. | | | |
| Downes on 11:18 - Jul 3 with 1863 views | xrayspecs |
| Downes on 11:04 - Jul 3 by leitrimblue |
I'm not suggesting we spend it, but does anyone have a rough idea what the maximum we could spend this season without braking FFP rules? |
It is difficult to work out.
We declared an operating loss of circa £12m for 20/21 and most of this is likely to count towards FFP. Some expenditures - Women's team, community - do not count. Nor infrastructure costs, but these are not reported in the operating profit/loss. Most of the £12m will likely count.
We do not know what operating loss we made in 21/22 as the accounts have not been published. I would anticipate both higher revenues - ticket sales and merchandise - and higher costs - wages and transfer fees - so could report an operating loss similar to 20/21. Again, most of this would count towards FFP.
So we go into 22/23 with around £20-25m of qualifying operating losses against a maximum three year allowable loss of £39m. Revenue this season could be up £10m, mainly due to TV money, so that does give us some headroom to increase outgoings albeit new contracts and promotion pay rises will eat into this sum.
It then gets complicated based on the timing of incoming monies and expenditure and how these are treated within the accounts.
I would though assume that the broad £10-12m pa operating losses for the last two seasons are a reasonable figure to work with, so while we could spend more this season on players, we do not appear to have the financial headroom under FPP to to spend significant millions on players. [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 12:29]
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| Downes on 11:29 - Jul 3 with 1792 views | PhilTWTD |
| Downes on 10:42 - Jul 3 by the_toff |
No he didn't. Phil said the club had moved on from Taylor to other interests, which was the party line and clearly one the club were happy to release for a reason. Had the press, such as TWTD and EADT not reported that, it's possible that Peterborough wouldn't have rowed back from their position and expectations as promptly as they did, which allowed us to sign him at the right price. |
Indeed, and I think there was a genuine look at alternatives as much as there was an obvious tactical aim. I got the impression they were exasperated with the lack of progress.
I very much doubt there's anything tactical about us not pursuing Downes. | | | |
| Downes on 11:32 - Jul 3 with 1760 views | ArnieM |
| Downes on 11:29 - Jul 3 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, and I think there was a genuine look at alternatives as much as there was an obvious tactical aim. I got the impression they were exasperated with the lack of progress.
I very much doubt there's anything tactical about us not pursuing Downes. |
I wouldn’t bother tbh . He made it clear he didn’t want to be as this club. So good luck to him elsewhere. Only want players here who are invested in this club. He certainly wasn’t . |  |
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| Downes on 11:34 - Jul 3 with 1737 views | J2BLUE |
| Downes on 11:32 - Jul 3 by ArnieM |
I wouldn’t bother tbh . He made it clear he didn’t want to be as this club. So good luck to him elsewhere. Only want players here who are invested in this club. He certainly wasn’t . |
As much as I love signing players like Clarke, we do need to have a little bit of realism with this sort of thing. Leaving was clearly the right decision for him. He ended up winning a Euopean competition with West Ham. | |
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| Downes on 11:53 - Jul 3 with 1629 views | leitrimblue |
| Downes on 11:18 - Jul 3 by xrayspecs |
It is difficult to work out.
We declared an operating loss of circa £12m for 20/21 and most of this is likely to count towards FFP. Some expenditures - Women's team, community - do not count. Nor infrastructure costs, but these are not reported in the operating profit/loss. Most of the £12m will likely count.
We do not know what operating loss we made in 21/22 as the accounts have not been published. I would anticipate both higher revenues - ticket sales and merchandise - and higher costs - wages and transfer fees - so could report an operating loss similar to 20/21. Again, most of this would count towards FFP.
So we go into 22/23 with around £20-25m of qualifying operating losses against a maximum three year allowable loss of £39m. Revenue this season could be up £10m, mainly due to TV money, so that does give us some headroom to increase outgoings albeit new contracts and promotion pay rises will eat into this sum.
It then gets complicated based on the timing of incoming monies and expenditure and how these are treated within the accounts.
I would though assume that the broad £10-12m pa operating losses for the last two seasons are a reasonable figure to work with, so while we could spend more this season on players, we do not appear to have the financial headroom under FPP to to spend significant millions on players. [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 12:29]
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Thanks for that. Ti's a great explanation. | | | |
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