| Tyreece Simpson 09:43 - Jul 25 with 14691 views | RegencyBlue |
Already wants out at Huddersfield and available for loan apparently.
And no, I’m not suggesting we take him!
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| Tyreece Simpson on 12:23 - Jul 25 with 2322 views | chicoazul |
| Tyreece Simpson on 11:53 - Jul 25 by ReusersTown |
You've chosen to highlight specifically one of the most criticised youth products of the modern era to prove your point? You're coming across a bit of an odd character, that or a troll. |
Scowcroft was never criticised for his attitude his appearance or his work rate. It’s not hard. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 12:25 - Jul 25 with 2291 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:23 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Scowcroft was never criticised for his attitude his appearance or his work rate. It’s not hard. |
Scowy didn't play half a season in league 2 and suddenly believed he was Ronaldo. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 12:34 - Jul 25 with 2271 views | hype313 |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:25 - Jul 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Scowy didn't play half a season in league 2 and suddenly believed he was Ronaldo. |
What makes you think he thought he was Ronaldo? |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 12:59 - Jul 25 with 2191 views | ReusersTown |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:23 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Scowcroft was never criticised for his attitude his appearance or his work rate. It’s not hard. |
You sure about that? And appearance!? What tf are you on. Pretty sure Scowcroft was constantly accused of not being aggressive enough. Turns out it is hard for you to see beyond your blinkers. |  | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 13:15 - Jul 25 with 2125 views | SE1blue |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:23 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Scowcroft was never criticised for his attitude his appearance or his work rate. It’s not hard. |
Wow! You are full of the hot takes today.
I can remember and recall idiots openly abusing Scowcroft for being 'lazy' or looking 'out of sorts' because of the way he held himself and his body frame. And this was after he had shown complete commitment and loyalty to the club.
You might not have heard this stuff (somehow!) but a lot of us did, so don't speak for all us. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 13:18 - Jul 25 with 2115 views | Big_Jase |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:25 - Jul 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Scowy didn't play half a season in league 2 and suddenly believed he was Ronaldo. |
That’s a massive exaggeration and you know it.
He wanted parity in wages with an L1 squad player, a couple of grand a week. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 13:19 - Jul 25 with 2113 views | Funge |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:23 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Scowcroft was never criticised for his attitude his appearance or his work rate. It’s not hard. |
Hmmm.
Definitely agree that young black footballers get it in the neck from the national media - Sterling a prime example of this, Defoe to an extent also (and that's just off the top of my head, there's plenty, plenty more, Lescott and Ricketts slightly further back) - but don't think I agree that TWTD has a *particular* problem here.
ITFC fans tend to bridle against young players who have come through the ranks, and then left - Gibbs, Simpson, Dozzell and Downes all recent examples of players who, have left here to move up the league, all of whom have subsequently been accused of laziness/ disloyalty/ delusions of grandeur etc etc.... going back, Scowie got loads of stick, Dyer too, Rhodes also....
It's an unpleasantly interesting one, honestly. Ipswich itself is this outpost of multiculturalism amongst some of the most conservative, wealthy land in the country... generally speaking, Ipswich is rather different to the rest of Suffolk...
I dunno, man - I don't think this place is particularly racist, overtly or sub-consciously, but then I'm a fat white middle-aged, middle-class bloke, like most of us on here. |  | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 13:19 - Jul 25 with 2109 views | Vic |
| Tyreece Simpson on 10:50 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Now that I’ve pointed it out you’ll notice it. Happens all the time. Young black footballers here are held to a completely different standard from the James Scowcrofts of this world. Constantly criticised for their attitude their appearance their technique versus athleticism etc. You’ll see. |
Utter rollocks. I've never heard so much drivel in my life. Nothing to do with colour so stop making things up. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 13:46 - Jul 25 with 2029 views | J2BLUE |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:25 - Jul 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Scowy didn't play half a season in league 2 and suddenly believed he was Ronaldo. |
Neither did Simpson.
It was a clash of interests. For the club, we wanted some value from paying for his development. For Simpson, he was having a great time having his first real taste of first team professional football.
I'm sure, in time, he may see things differently if he has a good career. There are moments of immaturity in my early career that I look back on and am not proud of and those jobs were nothing compared to making it as a pro footballer.
He looked out for his own interests before his employer. Like 99.9% of people who are employees. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 13:49 - Jul 25 with 2021 views | Steve_M |
| Tyreece Simpson on 13:19 - Jul 25 by Funge |
Hmmm.
Definitely agree that young black footballers get it in the neck from the national media - Sterling a prime example of this, Defoe to an extent also (and that's just off the top of my head, there's plenty, plenty more, Lescott and Ricketts slightly further back) - but don't think I agree that TWTD has a *particular* problem here.
ITFC fans tend to bridle against young players who have come through the ranks, and then left - Gibbs, Simpson, Dozzell and Downes all recent examples of players who, have left here to move up the league, all of whom have subsequently been accused of laziness/ disloyalty/ delusions of grandeur etc etc.... going back, Scowie got loads of stick, Dyer too, Rhodes also....
It's an unpleasantly interesting one, honestly. Ipswich itself is this outpost of multiculturalism amongst some of the most conservative, wealthy land in the country... generally speaking, Ipswich is rather different to the rest of Suffolk...
I dunno, man - I don't think this place is particularly racist, overtly or sub-consciously, but then I'm a fat white middle-aged, middle-class bloke, like most of us on here. |
The phenomenon Chico refers to definitely happens at Ipswich, hopefully less often than it used to but there are signs that it is still there.
There is also, as you point out, an absolutely over the top reaction to young players who have chosen to leave for whatever reason which seems to have got more prevalent over the years rather than less.
Personally I thought it was mainly the latter in this thread which is still pretty unedifying and a couple of comments are making insinuations about the character of young footballers which seem rather a lot from the available evidence.
There are still plenty of antediluvian attitudes on show amongst our fanbase, sexist ones probably to the fore at the moment but odd bits of homophobia and racism evident too at times last season as well as the general boorishness of groups of young blokes who've had too much to drink. That's to be expected given the cross-section of society in the fanbase and also the nature of some other parts of Suffolk.
Are we notably bad? Definitely not for any of this but I also think the assertions that none of this is a problem any longer are a bit overdone. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 13:52 - Jul 25 with 1986 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Tyreece Simpson on 10:23 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Every time. |
Think you might be projecting mate |  | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:01 - Jul 25 with 1937 views | N2_Blue |
| Tyreece Simpson on 12:23 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Scowcroft was never criticised for his attitude his appearance or his work rate. It’s not hard. |
Still beating a broken drum… and despite even Phil being offended enough to make comment on this thread no sign of an apology. Even by your standards this is pretty poor for you. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 14:06 - Jul 25 with 1907 views | RKD |
| Tyreece Simpson on 13:19 - Jul 25 by Funge |
Hmmm.
Definitely agree that young black footballers get it in the neck from the national media - Sterling a prime example of this, Defoe to an extent also (and that's just off the top of my head, there's plenty, plenty more, Lescott and Ricketts slightly further back) - but don't think I agree that TWTD has a *particular* problem here.
ITFC fans tend to bridle against young players who have come through the ranks, and then left - Gibbs, Simpson, Dozzell and Downes all recent examples of players who, have left here to move up the league, all of whom have subsequently been accused of laziness/ disloyalty/ delusions of grandeur etc etc.... going back, Scowie got loads of stick, Dyer too, Rhodes also....
It's an unpleasantly interesting one, honestly. Ipswich itself is this outpost of multiculturalism amongst some of the most conservative, wealthy land in the country... generally speaking, Ipswich is rather different to the rest of Suffolk...
I dunno, man - I don't think this place is particularly racist, overtly or sub-consciously, but then I'm a fat white middle-aged, middle-class bloke, like most of us on here. |
Agree with most of your points.
I think this page generally reflects the community of Ipswich, thus has roughly the same ratio of bias (concious and unconscious) towards young black players.
Not sure Tyreece Simpson is a prime example of that, and also don’t think Scowcroft is a good example of counter argument.
The two terms I see most associated with unconscious bias towards young black players are ‘lazy’ and ‘beast’. On the other end of the spectrum, oddly it is mainly white players that are referred to as ‘football genius’. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 14:15 - Jul 25 with 1862 views | GavTWTD |
| Tyreece Simpson on 10:22 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Come off it Cal. Every time TWTD talks about a young black itfc footballer it’s the same, it’s been like that since at least Danny Haynes. |
Complete gibberish |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 14:24 - Jul 25 with 1811 views | cressi |
| Tyreece Simpson on 10:22 - Jul 25 by chicoazul |
Come off it Cal. Every time TWTD talks about a young black itfc footballer it’s the same, it’s been like that since at least Danny Haynes. |
Black don't come into it
Just another player who thought they was better than they actually are and not prepared to wait for their opportunities. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:33 - Jul 25 with 1789 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:24 - Jul 25 by cressi |
Black don't come into it
Just another player who thought they was better than they actually are and not prepared to wait for their opportunities. |
"Just another player who thought they was better than they actually are"
Roughly translated to "a player got a better offer for their career so left" |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 14:36 - Jul 25 with 1768 views | cressi |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:33 - Jul 25 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
"Just another player who thought they was better than they actually are"
Roughly translated to "a player got a better offer for their career so left" |
Money maybe development probably not, to end up playing lower league level | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:39 - Jul 25 with 1747 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:36 - Jul 25 by cressi |
Money maybe development probably not, to end up playing lower league level |
Probably both, but it hasn't worked out and that's ok, it happens.
But the assumptions and insinuations on here, such as he thinks he is better than he is. Just completely uncalled for and unsubstantiated. | |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 14:48 - Jul 25 with 1704 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:39 - Jul 25 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Probably both, but it hasn't worked out and that's ok, it happens.
But the assumptions and insinuations on here, such as he thinks he is better than he is. Just completely uncalled for and unsubstantiated. |
Totally different argument, and an opinion (which I think is wrong) they are entitled to hold without being gaslit. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:50 - Jul 25 with 1696 views | Dyland |
| Tyreece Simpson on 13:49 - Jul 25 by Steve_M |
The phenomenon Chico refers to definitely happens at Ipswich, hopefully less often than it used to but there are signs that it is still there.
There is also, as you point out, an absolutely over the top reaction to young players who have chosen to leave for whatever reason which seems to have got more prevalent over the years rather than less.
Personally I thought it was mainly the latter in this thread which is still pretty unedifying and a couple of comments are making insinuations about the character of young footballers which seem rather a lot from the available evidence.
There are still plenty of antediluvian attitudes on show amongst our fanbase, sexist ones probably to the fore at the moment but odd bits of homophobia and racism evident too at times last season as well as the general boorishness of groups of young blokes who've had too much to drink. That's to be expected given the cross-section of society in the fanbase and also the nature of some other parts of Suffolk.
Are we notably bad? Definitely not for any of this but I also think the assertions that none of this is a problem any longer are a bit overdone. |
Chickers does tend to throw the racist card too freely in my opinion, and it's pretty risible to suggest it's rife across TWTD. It does however deffo still happen, as per this blatantly racist comment on the Harper contract termination news story -
"One of Rakeems biggest problems is that he's a naturally laid back lazy person and when that's part of your personality it's very difficult to change the habit you were born with. Hope he finds a club where he is motivated and be successful." |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 14:57 - Jul 25 with 1662 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:50 - Jul 25 by Dyland |
Chickers does tend to throw the racist card too freely in my opinion, and it's pretty risible to suggest it's rife across TWTD. It does however deffo still happen, as per this blatantly racist comment on the Harper contract termination news story -
"One of Rakeems biggest problems is that he's a naturally laid back lazy person and when that's part of your personality it's very difficult to change the habit you were born with. Hope he finds a club where he is motivated and be successful." |
You're gonna have to help me out on this one because I am somehow missing this blatant racism. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 15:02 - Jul 25 with 1637 views | Dyland |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:57 - Jul 25 by SamWhiteUK |
You're gonna have to help me out on this one because I am somehow missing this blatant racism. |
"... naturally laid back lazy person and when that's part of your personality it's very difficult to change the habit you were born with."
That's a well trodden racist trope, non? Black person being naturally laid back, and the kicker here, that making them lazy. The news commenter wasn't mates with Rekeem innit. | |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 15:05 - Jul 25 with 1615 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Tyreece Simpson on 15:02 - Jul 25 by Dyland |
"... naturally laid back lazy person and when that's part of your personality it's very difficult to change the habit you were born with."
That's a well trodden racist trope, non? Black person being naturally laid back, and the kicker here, that making them lazy. The news commenter wasn't mates with Rekeem innit. |
I dunno, as a naturally laid back lazy white person who struggles with motivation a lot of the time, I never would have read anything into that comment and I'd wager that most people wouldn't, but maybe I'm wrong. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson on 15:10 - Jul 25 with 1575 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:57 - Jul 25 by SamWhiteUK |
You're gonna have to help me out on this one because I am somehow missing this blatant racism. |
Really ? | |
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| Tyreece Simpson on 15:11 - Jul 25 with 1576 views | Steve_M |
| Tyreece Simpson on 14:50 - Jul 25 by Dyland |
Chickers does tend to throw the racist card too freely in my opinion, and it's pretty risible to suggest it's rife across TWTD. It does however deffo still happen, as per this blatantly racist comment on the Harper contract termination news story -
"One of Rakeems biggest problems is that he's a naturally laid back lazy person and when that's part of your personality it's very difficult to change the habit you were born with. Hope he finds a club where he is motivated and be successful." |
Chickers 2.0 does try a bit too hard on the trolling but that doesn't mean the underlying point is always wrong. Less tedious than dear old Blubbers though.
That comment is definitely a classic of the genre we were discussing. | |
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