| Buying Tickets "For the point" 10:27 - Aug 11 with 9553 views | garyinavault |
Please desist. I am a paying member as well as a season ticket holder and have a feeling I missed out due to this. Even if a point hoarder sells me a ticket, I won't get the point myself despite making the effort. Sold out by 10:03. |  | | |  |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:49 - Aug 11 with 2453 views | Glasshouse_blue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:41 - Aug 11 by billabasblue |
My point was if you don’t have enough points now it’s because you didn’t go to enough away games last year that’s the real reason your not getting tickets this season , not because of a handful of people who might try being cute with buying tickets and not attending this season.
I went to 6/7 away games last season therefore I rightly have a low priority this season compared to those who commit to go every week, I still purchased QPR tickets however had I not been able to I would only have to trace it back to last seasons poor away attendance by myself.
I’ve had family members who haven’t attended a single home or away game in 4 years messaging me lately knowing I’m as ST holder wanting tickets for some home games this year , I won’t do it as these should go to people who have been through thick and thin with the club during our dark years |
On the other hand - Me and my 2 boy's on 14 points so had to wait until this morning, tickets where disappearing as I was adding to my basket so had to take what I could get which was 3 single tickets in the same block. Not sure what the solution is but I will do whatever I can on the day to at least make sure my boys are sat/stood together. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:49 - Aug 11 with 2448 views | Herbivore |
It's pretty crappy behaviour to buy tickets with no intention of going just to pick up the points.
On an unrelated note, if anyone needs a QPR ticket, hit me up. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 14:05 - Aug 11 with 2380 views | jayessess |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:41 - Aug 11 by billabasblue |
My point was if you don’t have enough points now it’s because you didn’t go to enough away games last year that’s the real reason your not getting tickets this season , not because of a handful of people who might try being cute with buying tickets and not attending this season.
I went to 6/7 away games last season therefore I rightly have a low priority this season compared to those who commit to go every week, I still purchased QPR tickets however had I not been able to I would only have to trace it back to last seasons poor away attendance by myself.
I’ve had family members who haven’t attended a single home or away game in 4 years messaging me lately knowing I’m as ST holder wanting tickets for some home games this year , I won’t do it as these should go to people who have been through thick and thin with the club during our dark years |
The handful of people are jumping the queue, if that pushes someone else down the queue, then they aren't getting the just reward for their loyalty. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 15:18 - Aug 11 with 2303 views | LRB84UK |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:49 - Aug 11 by Glasshouse_blue |
On the other hand - Me and my 2 boy's on 14 points so had to wait until this morning, tickets where disappearing as I was adding to my basket so had to take what I could get which was 3 single tickets in the same block. Not sure what the solution is but I will do whatever I can on the day to at least make sure my boys are sat/stood together. |
The issue here is the 10 point mark being missing. Before sunderland I had 18 points and my son had 14. £128 for 2 tickets and a 15 hour round trip on the coach (god knows what they were playing at!) He's now got 15 which makes it a bit easier.
Why is there no 10 cut off?
Why don't children come under adults? They aren't allowed on the coaches unaccompanied under 16 so surely aren't allowed to sit in the ground alone?
The fact you 3 have 14 points and had to wait till the 5 mark with those that have only brought a membership this year is shocking. I've got a friend who's other half doesn't even support ipswich but they both got a ticket this morning so can both go, as they brought a membership. The 10 cut off really should be there.
I'm intrigued to see what will happen when fans get to 40/45/50 points (max at the moment is 38) will it be
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Then 5 plus?! Good luck with that!! | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 15:21 - Aug 11 with 2301 views | LRB84UK |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:02 - Aug 11 by SitfcB |
Nope! I reckon that might change for Reading though! |
But that's not fair then on the fans who want to go to the game, why should they miss out on a point because of those buying tickets and not going?
Maybe a selfie in the ground with your ticket and passport is the way forward?..... | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 15:32 - Aug 11 with 2288 views | garyinavault |
Very difficult to police as some as mentioned. I think the club were relying on honesty amongst the fans. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 16:16 - Aug 11 with 2242 views | Glasshouse_blue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 15:32 - Aug 11 by garyinavault |
Very difficult to police as some as mentioned. I think the club were relying on honesty amongst the fans. |
It's really not difficult to police at all. Introduce random checks, a club official at the ground completes a few ID - ticket checks. Once word gets out that they are checking people will stop doing it. Ban anybody found to be in breach of their membership and people will definitely stop doing it. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 16:32 - Aug 11 with 2211 views | JakeITFC |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 16:16 - Aug 11 by Glasshouse_blue |
It's really not difficult to police at all. Introduce random checks, a club official at the ground completes a few ID - ticket checks. Once word gets out that they are checking people will stop doing it. Ban anybody found to be in breach of their membership and people will definitely stop doing it. |
It’s not a breach of your membership to give your ticket to use for somebody else (well certainly isn’t in the season ticket Ts&Cs). |  | | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 17:09 - Aug 11 with 2179 views | garyinavault |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 16:32 - Aug 11 by JakeITFC |
It’s not a breach of your membership to give your ticket to use for somebody else (well certainly isn’t in the season ticket Ts&Cs). |
Not currently a breach of membership but could be introduced for the away end. Concert tickets are often similar - usually have to be with the person who bought the tickets and they have to provide ID with a matching name.
Thing is I hate rules like that so I would much rather people attempt to get a ticket with the right intentions (turning up). | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:17 - Aug 11 with 2123 views | DJR |
It is a criminal offence under section 166 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 to resell a football ticket.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/166
It may also be a breach of the away team's terms and conditions of sale.
This is what Wolves say on their website.
"The unauthorised sale of football tickets is a criminal offence under UK law and is a matter we take very seriously. Reselling football tickets is a breach of the Club’s Terms and Conditions and Ground Regulations as well as being in contravention of, in particular, section 166 of the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act 1994."
It seems to me that the club ought to make this clear to all people purchasing away tickets to persuade them not to buy to get the points.
I might add that I would not regard what we do as illegal. Five of us are season ticket holders with a membership, and another has a membership but no season ticket. He will take our seat for home games if one of us is away. For away games where not all five of us want to go, and he does, we will use one of our memberships to buy a ticket for him as well. But that is buying a ticket on this behalf because he reimburses the money, and does not in my view involve reselling of the type that the criminal law is aimed at.
Offering tickets for sale on TWTD or elsewhere is a completely different matter. [Post edited 12 Aug 2023 8:06]
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:20 - Aug 11 with 2109 views | stonojnr |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 10:29 - Aug 11 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
It will be disappointing if there's empty seats tomorrow with such high demand, surely the club should be a bit smarter with that if people are just buying cheap seats to acquire points for themselves? Its the first I have heard of it though. |
People have more money than sense if theyre going to start doing that though, | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:22 - Aug 11 with 2100 views | textbackup |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:17 - Aug 11 by DJR |
It is a criminal offence under section 166 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 to resell a football ticket.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/166
It may also be a breach of the away team's terms and conditions of sale.
This is what Wolves say on their website.
"The unauthorised sale of football tickets is a criminal offence under UK law and is a matter we take very seriously. Reselling football tickets is a breach of the Club’s Terms and Conditions and Ground Regulations as well as being in contravention of, in particular, section 166 of the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act 1994."
It seems to me that the club ought to make this clear to all people purchasing away tickets to persuade them not to buy to get the points.
I might add that I would not regard what we do as illegal. Five of us are season ticket holders with a membership, and another has a membership but no season ticket. He will take our seat for home games if one of us is away. For away games where not all five of us want to go, and he does, we will use one of our memberships to buy a ticket for him as well. But that is buying a ticket on this behalf because he reimburses the money, and does not in my view involve reselling of the type that the criminal law is aimed at.
Offering tickets for sale on TWTD or elsewhere is a completely different matter. [Post edited 12 Aug 2023 8:06]
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What if you buy the ticket for the points, and simply don’t attend?
Nothing to police that. Because who’s to say you didn’t attend for various reasons? |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:26 - Aug 11 with 2089 views | textbackup |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:20 - Aug 11 by stonojnr |
People have more money than sense if theyre going to start doing that though, |
It’s literally just to get a norwich away ticket. No other away games this season will see an issue with getting an away ticket if you really want one | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:32 - Aug 11 with 2081 views | DJR |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:22 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
What if you buy the ticket for the points, and simply don’t attend?
Nothing to police that. Because who’s to say you didn’t attend for various reasons? |
That's certainly true, and will depend on whether people have the money to waste.
I suspect, more likely, they will attempt to offload them, and I was just pointing out that it is technically a criminal offence.
Certainly, this thread (and several others) have raised concerns about people reselling. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:51 - Aug 11 with 2046 views | DJR |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:26 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
It’s literally just to get a norwich away ticket. No other away games this season will see an issue with getting an away ticket if you really want one |
Given 3,000 QPR tickets barely reached 5 away points, they will probably be wasting their time.
If the allocation for Norwich is only 2,000, I imagine there will be easily that amount of people who will have attended lots of away games and have lots of point.
I certainly don't think, with 19 points, I will have any chance of getting a Norwich ticket even though I plan to go to a fair few away games in the next few months. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 19:37 - Aug 11 with 1997 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 16:32 - Aug 11 by JakeITFC |
It’s not a breach of your membership to give your ticket to use for somebody else (well certainly isn’t in the season ticket Ts&Cs). |
Season Tickets are a different kettle of fish to away games.
Many ST holders have to miss the odd game or two, and the club know that they will give the ticket to a friend or family member, and will even facilitate the upgrade from a concession to full price. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 22:12 - Aug 11 with 1912 views | lizzibee |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:26 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
It’s literally just to get a norwich away ticket. No other away games this season will see an issue with getting an away ticket if you really want one |
Which I will do if necessary to secur a ticket. But a ticket and just not go. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 22:27 - Aug 11 with 1886 views | garyinavault |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 18:26 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
It’s literally just to get a norwich away ticket. No other away games this season will see an issue with getting an away ticket if you really want one |
Literally had an issue with this today. Could have been bad luck but every time I clicked 2 seats it wouldn't let me add them to the basket as it was already taken. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 23:05 - Aug 11 with 1854 views | tractorshark |
It’s a shame Norwich away isn’t in early September, then we wouldn’t have this issue.
We’ll probably have it all season long now.
The reason why my points total isn’t as high as it could be is last season I simply could not get away tickets. It was not for the want trying, it’s just a fair number of games never got to Silver Club members.
I didn’t mind season ticket holders getting them ahead of me, I did mind people reselling them to people effectively as a general sale, which bypasses all the priority stages.
That’s happening again this season and it’s going to cause more friction as the season progresses. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:12 - Aug 12 with 1728 views | textbackup |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 22:12 - Aug 11 by lizzibee |
Which I will do if necessary to secur a ticket. But a ticket and just not go. |
Are you really that desperate to go?
No issues with it personally, just seems a rather large expensive to get a ticket to a game that’ll cost you £40. | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:14 - Aug 12 with 1729 views | DJR |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:23 - Aug 11 by SitfcB |
I think the most points someone could be on is 50 or 51, there was 25 away games last season wasn’t there? |
I think the club said when it announced the scheme that the maximum points at the start of the season was 36, made up of 10 points for buying a membership both this season and last, and attending all 23 away league games and the three away cup games. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:19 - Aug 12 with 1723 views | DJR |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:33 - Aug 11 by Pinewoodblue |
It is tempting to pay him over the odds, to document the transaction then report it to the club.
By turning a blind eye the club are part of the problem, as perhaps are TWTD if they permit the site to be used to sell on tickets for gain, albeit only in points and not hard cash. |
As I mentioned above selling-on tickets is a criminal offence, so technically TWTD would be aiding and abetting a criminal offence. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:21 - Aug 12 with 1717 views | xrayspecs |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:14 - Aug 12 by DJR |
I think the club said when it announced the scheme that the maximum points at the start of the season was 36, made up of 10 points for buying a membership both this season and last, and attending all 23 away league games and the three away cup games. |
You are right. Maximum points at the start of the season was 36, so now 38.
I suspect very few fans started the season 25+. Sales for QPR were quite leisurely Mon to Weds, busier Thurs, when we bought, and only spiked once it wen to 5+ category yesterday.
While this may be an oversimplification, I would add that for casual away fans, it is all about Norwich, but for those who go regularly to way games, it is about knowing that you an get (decent) tickets and not miss out. [Post edited 12 Aug 2023 8:24]
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:50 - Aug 12 with 1686 views | DJR |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:21 - Aug 12 by xrayspecs |
You are right. Maximum points at the start of the season was 36, so now 38.
I suspect very few fans started the season 25+. Sales for QPR were quite leisurely Mon to Weds, busier Thurs, when we bought, and only spiked once it wen to 5+ category yesterday.
While this may be an oversimplification, I would add that for casual away fans, it is all about Norwich, but for those who go regularly to way games, it is about knowing that you an get (decent) tickets and not miss out. [Post edited 12 Aug 2023 8:24]
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As someone currently at 19 but maybe not likely to reach 25 by the time of the Norwich game, let's hope they don't raise the lowest threshold above 5 to 25, although I can see that having only five levels before general sale, neatly fits with the working week, and perhaps explains the current drop between 15 and 5.
What it would be really good to know is how many people have memberships, and how many people are currently at the various levels, but I don't suppose the club will want to give that information away. [Post edited 12 Aug 2023 8:53]
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 00:31 - Aug 13 with 1544 views | garyinavault |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 08:50 - Aug 12 by DJR |
As someone currently at 19 but maybe not likely to reach 25 by the time of the Norwich game, let's hope they don't raise the lowest threshold above 5 to 25, although I can see that having only five levels before general sale, neatly fits with the working week, and perhaps explains the current drop between 15 and 5.
What it would be really good to know is how many people have memberships, and how many people are currently at the various levels, but I don't suppose the club will want to give that information away. [Post edited 12 Aug 2023 8:53]
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Would be nice to know how many memberships there are to see if we are wasting our time/money.
I've accepted that Norwich away isn't going to happen, but QPR away? Notorious restricted view seating selling out in 3 minutes??? We will probably see posts selling tickets in the coming days. | | | |
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