| Buying Tickets "For the point" 10:27 - Aug 11 with 9416 views | garyinavault |
Please desist. I am a paying member as well as a season ticket holder and have a feeling I missed out due to this. Even if a point hoarder sells me a ticket, I won't get the point myself despite making the effort. Sold out by 10:03. |  | | |  |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 11:51 - Aug 11 with 1463 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 11:16 - Aug 11 by Pinewoodblue |
There is nothing to stop the club, for the Nodge game, making it invitation only for say first 1,000.
Wouldn’t object to TWTD deleting posts offering tickets for sale, and warning persistent offenders. Any tickets not required, or never intended to be used, need to be returned to the club. |
The points system was brought in to stop them having do letter games.
Whatever system is brought in will always be open to abuse. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 11:59 - Aug 11 with 1421 views | JakeITFC |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 11:49 - Aug 11 by SitfcB |
By the time Norwich comes round I reckon the first band will be 45+ or maybe even 50+ |
I think that’s probably right (effectively the old ultimate members) but will be big clumps at much lower levels than that. I don’t think there would have been many more than 1,000 who started with 20+ points before Sunderland. |  | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:02 - Aug 11 with 1398 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 11:16 - Aug 11 by Pinewoodblue |
There is nothing to stop the club, for the Nodge game, making it invitation only for say first 1,000.
Wouldn’t object to TWTD deleting posts offering tickets for sale, and warning persistent offenders. Any tickets not required, or never intended to be used, need to be returned to the club. |
Cruncher is all over twitter with spare tickets. He is the Stan Flashman of ITFC. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:08 - Aug 11 with 1384 views | textbackup |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 11:49 - Aug 11 by SitfcB |
By the time Norwich comes round I reckon the first band will be 45+ or maybe even 50+ |
Na not as high as 50.
Even if you done every away game last season, as a GC holder, and everyone up to scum away, the points you’d have would be 40ish?
Reckon to be sure of one you’ll need to be in min 25 point category. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:15 - Aug 11 with 1358 views | I_LOVE_GOLLOB |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:08 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
Na not as high as 50.
Even if you done every away game last season, as a GC holder, and everyone up to scum away, the points you’d have would be 40ish?
Reckon to be sure of one you’ll need to be in min 25 point category. |
I'd say something along the lines of 45-50 - 40-44 - 35-39 and sold out by the latter. Town have had a field day selling M'ships at £40 a pop. | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:18 - Aug 11 with 1356 views | LancsBlue |
The vast majority of points that people hold were accumulated last season. People starting from a low base of points are not going to improve their chances much this season by accumulating an extra point here or there. There are a lot of big away ends in the Championship, particularly in the north, that Town won't fill so there will be little opportunity for resales. The extra number of midweek games will also work against us selling out - 3000 at Southampton on a Tuesday night? As others have said those games where tickets might be short, QPR, Millwall, Watford etc are the ones people want to attend so its unlikely that those who have sufficient priority to buy a ticket will then wish to sell it on. In short I think there is a real danger of vastly exaggerating the scale of 'buying for points' as an issue and those that do try to do it on a regular basis may well get their fingers (or wallets) burnt. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:23 - Aug 11 with 1337 views | SitfcB |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:08 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
Na not as high as 50.
Even if you done every away game last season, as a GC holder, and everyone up to scum away, the points you’d have would be 40ish?
Reckon to be sure of one you’ll need to be in min 25 point category. |
I think the most points someone could be on is 50 or 51, there was 25 away games last season wasn’t there? |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:26 - Aug 11 with 1325 views | Ely_Blue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 10:47 - Aug 11 by DinDjarin |
The new system is setup to be abused this way and not sure the club can do that much to stop it.
Also doubt many bought QPR for the point as everyone wants to do the London games. |
Tell me you’ve never been to Loftus Road without telling me you’ve never been to Loftus Road.
Everybody doesn’t want to do all of the London clubs because some are complete sh1t holes like QPR, |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:30 - Aug 11 with 1299 views | textbackup |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:26 - Aug 11 by Ely_Blue |
Tell me you’ve never been to Loftus Road without telling me you’ve never been to Loftus Road.
Everybody doesn’t want to do all of the London clubs because some are complete sh1t holes like QPR, |
Blokes that want a beer and easy accessible away day will do any London away day regardless of the stadium | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:32 - Aug 11 with 1292 views | Ely_Blue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:30 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
Blokes that want a beer and easy accessible away day will do any London away day regardless of the stadium |
People who want to see all of the game won’t! | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:33 - Aug 11 with 1290 views | textbackup |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:15 - Aug 11 by I_LOVE_GOLLOB |
I'd say something along the lines of 45-50 - 40-44 - 35-39 and sold out by the latter. Town have had a field day selling M'ships at £40 a pop. |
I’d say a 40+, 35+, 30+, 25+ then sold out at that stage.
As you say, £40 and Jack sht in return, they’ve mugged us a bit, but will have made a pretty penny | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:41 - Aug 11 with 1240 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 11:50 - Aug 11 by jayessess |
You can't realistically police it but the club could do a few things to make it slightly less appetising to do?
IMO they should make a public statement that re-selling away tickets isn't allowed, that the club takes an extremely dim view of fans gaming the priority system so they can queue jump and that anyone caught doing it will face a sanction for it (losing all their priority points would seem an appropriate one!). Just sending the message would put some people off, even if you never actually caught anyone. |
There is one simple step, which would be to carry out random ID checks on away tickets at the away club. Any ticket in the possession of a different person than the original buyer gets noted (I wouldn't confiscate, as it feels wrong to punish thd person who actually paid to go to the match), but original buyer then has all loyalty points removed. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:50 - Aug 11 with 1212 views | textbackup |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:41 - Aug 11 by Freddies_Ears |
There is one simple step, which would be to carry out random ID checks on away tickets at the away club. Any ticket in the possession of a different person than the original buyer gets noted (I wouldn't confiscate, as it feels wrong to punish thd person who actually paid to go to the match), but original buyer then has all loyalty points removed. |
The big prem clubs hand out season long bans for that. Meaning if they are ST holders they back to the end of the queue of about 15years to get another! | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:56 - Aug 11 with 1201 views | PJH |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:08 - Aug 11 by textbackup |
Na not as high as 50.
Even if you done every away game last season, as a GC holder, and everyone up to scum away, the points you’d have would be 40ish?
Reckon to be sure of one you’ll need to be in min 25 point category. |
It seems to me that 50 points should be reached by late January at the latest, even if there are no away league cup after Reading and no away 3rd or 4th round of F.A. Cup. |  | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:57 - Aug 11 with 1199 views | billabasblue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:41 - Aug 11 by Freddies_Ears |
There is one simple step, which would be to carry out random ID checks on away tickets at the away club. Any ticket in the possession of a different person than the original buyer gets noted (I wouldn't confiscate, as it feels wrong to punish thd person who actually paid to go to the match), but original buyer then has all loyalty points removed. |
Sadly there will always be the odd loophole that some will exploit and the club won’t be able to stop every single scenario that could happen unfortunately, ultimately anyone missing out on away tickets this season didn’t attend enough away games last season when we were in league 1 and therefore don’t deserve any priority now we are in a better league , loyalty should always be rewarded | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:00 - Aug 11 with 1188 views | yesjohn99 |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:56 - Aug 11 by PJH |
It seems to me that 50 points should be reached by late January at the latest, even if there are no away league cup after Reading and no away 3rd or 4th round of F.A. Cup. |
Is it not league games only? | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:02 - Aug 11 with 1172 views | SitfcB |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:00 - Aug 11 by yesjohn99 |
Is it not league games only? |
Nope! I reckon that might change for Reading though! | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:05 - Aug 11 with 1153 views | PJH |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:00 - Aug 11 by yesjohn99 |
Is it not league games only? |
I don’t know, but even if it is 50 would be reached in February. I hope points are NOT added for Reading away, at least then it will only be people that intend to go to the game that buy tickets. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:20 - Aug 11 with 1114 views | jayessess |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:57 - Aug 11 by billabasblue |
Sadly there will always be the odd loophole that some will exploit and the club won’t be able to stop every single scenario that could happen unfortunately, ultimately anyone missing out on away tickets this season didn’t attend enough away games last season when we were in league 1 and therefore don’t deserve any priority now we are in a better league , loyalty should always be rewarded |
If people push ahead of you in the queue by buying tickets for games they didn't attend (and therefore didn't support the team in), then by definition you aren't getting just reward for your loyalty, are you?
Point about loopholes is you're supposed to try and close them, not just throw your hands up. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:21 - Aug 11 with 1112 views | Asa |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 10:52 - Aug 11 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
That is disappointing, so if we have empty seats we will know a reason why... |
Not necessarily.
There seems to be this major thing at away days now since last season where people decide to stand with their mates and force everyone else to bunch up or move along. Happened to me at MK Dons, Oxford, Derby, Bolton and now Sunderland. Derby there were five blokes covering two seat spaces.
I experienced this at MK Dons, having to act as a barrier to my 9 year old, who needed to stand on his seat to see, from a 10 strong group of clearly drunk guys who had the 5-6 seats to my left, encroaching into where I was trying to stand. On all other occasions I haven't had an issue with it, it's all been a bit old school charm with bodies everywhere when we score, but I spent the whole MK Dons games fearing he'd be injured and asked them to move out of in front of my seat, which lasted a few minutes at a time then it was as you were.
I'm sure lots of parents, elderly or disabled fans have had similar issues and are rightly far from happy. All of the people who've encroached in this way (MK Dons aside as they were late teens / early 20's) have not been the sort you'd look at and then expect to hold a reasonable conversation with. One at Oxford was boasting about how much powder had been consumed.
There were plenty of empty seats at Sunderland and then a few rows back, eight people crammed into four spaces, so seems people are getting their seats away from other members of their group, probably due to being in different priority bands, then just standing together anyway. Not sure what the club can do really if the away team isn't on it.
As long as supporters are rewarded in the way they are, which is probably the fairest system, you're going to get people buying tickets and selling them to take the point. We can't start insisting on away teams checking ID's against tickets like was going to be the case at Bracknell, so again can't see what can be done as it relied on the decency of fellow fans not to act selfishly. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 13:41]
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:27 - Aug 11 with 1078 views | yorkshireblue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:02 - Aug 11 by SitfcB |
Nope! I reckon that might change for Reading though! |
Work with some Bradford City fans - who always sell out away allocations in League Two - and they get points for pre-season friendles... there points scale is different but it's something like 10 for a home friendly, and 20 for an away friendly.
They were going to launch an addiitonal point for every pouund spent in the stadium on match days, but I think they knoecked that on the head after critism from fans. |  | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:27 - Aug 11 with 1075 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:41 - Aug 11 by Freddies_Ears |
There is one simple step, which would be to carry out random ID checks on away tickets at the away club. Any ticket in the possession of a different person than the original buyer gets noted (I wouldn't confiscate, as it feels wrong to punish thd person who actually paid to go to the match), but original buyer then has all loyalty points removed. |
Expect there are plenty of groups of mates/families that are all members that have varying numbers of points on their cards. If one person has higher priority than the other and said person can't go, people will be sharing membership numbers. Is that wrong? Possibly, but would feel a touch unfair to penalise people for that. | | | |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:33 - Aug 11 with 1034 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:02 - Aug 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Cruncher is all over twitter with spare tickets. He is the Stan Flashman of ITFC. |
It is tempting to pay him over the odds, to document the transaction then report it to the club.
By turning a blind eye the club are part of the problem, as perhaps are TWTD if they permit the site to be used to sell on tickets for gain, albeit only in points and not hard cash. |  |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:38 - Aug 11 with 1003 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 12:18 - Aug 11 by LancsBlue |
The vast majority of points that people hold were accumulated last season. People starting from a low base of points are not going to improve their chances much this season by accumulating an extra point here or there. There are a lot of big away ends in the Championship, particularly in the north, that Town won't fill so there will be little opportunity for resales. The extra number of midweek games will also work against us selling out - 3000 at Southampton on a Tuesday night? As others have said those games where tickets might be short, QPR, Millwall, Watford etc are the ones people want to attend so its unlikely that those who have sufficient priority to buy a ticket will then wish to sell it on. In short I think there is a real danger of vastly exaggerating the scale of 'buying for points' as an issue and those that do try to do it on a regular basis may well get their fingers (or wallets) burnt. |
Indeed, people will stop buying for the point and sell on when they realise there’s not much of a market for away games that don’t sell out, unless they are daft enough to chuck away £25-£35 or more every fortnight. | |
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| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:41 - Aug 11 with 984 views | billabasblue |
| Buying Tickets "For the point" on 13:20 - Aug 11 by jayessess |
If people push ahead of you in the queue by buying tickets for games they didn't attend (and therefore didn't support the team in), then by definition you aren't getting just reward for your loyalty, are you?
Point about loopholes is you're supposed to try and close them, not just throw your hands up. |
My point was if you don’t have enough points now it’s because you didn’t go to enough away games last year that’s the real reason your not getting tickets this season , not because of a handful of people who might try being cute with buying tickets and not attending this season.
I went to 6/7 away games last season therefore I rightly have a low priority this season compared to those who commit to go every week, I still purchased QPR tickets however had I not been able to I would only have to trace it back to last seasons poor away attendance by myself.
I’ve had family members who haven’t attended a single home or away game in 4 years messaging me lately knowing I’m as ST holder wanting tickets for some home games this year , I won’t do it as these should go to people who have been through thick and thin with the club during our dark years | | | |
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