| Letby got a whole life sentence 13:06 - Aug 21 with 2584 views | blueasfook |
Completely deserved. Evil beyond belief. Can't comprehend what kind of person would do such terrible things to young vulnerable babies. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:10 - Aug 21 with 2538 views | BlueBadger |
If there's any justice, the senior management who let her get away with it for a year will face charges of corporate manslaughter as well. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:10 - Aug 21 with 2530 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
I don't have any children so the case doesn't currently affect me from that perspective, but reading and hearing the details I can't help welling up just through thinking about the evil committed to those babies. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:12 - Aug 21 with 2496 views | lowhouseblue |
i suspect it wasn't a hard sentencing decision. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:12 - Aug 21 with 2503 views | blueasfook |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:10 - Aug 21 by ThisIsMyUsername |
I don't have any children so the case doesn't currently affect me from that perspective, but reading and hearing the details I can't help welling up just through thinking about the evil committed to those babies. |
Me too. Hearing the judge's comments about how those babies would have suffered made me angry and upset. | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:13 - Aug 21 with 2502 views | BlueBadger |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:10 - Aug 21 by BlueBadger |
If there's any justice, the senior management who let her get away with it for a year will face charges of corporate manslaughter as well. |
Update - one manager suspended.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66569258 [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 13:13]
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:13 - Aug 21 with 2498 views | Ryorry |
A really sick one.
Didn't hear the news, is she going to somewhere like Broadmoor? Or just a regular high-security prison? |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:15 - Aug 21 with 2483 views | blueasfook |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:13 - Aug 21 by Ryorry |
A really sick one.
Didn't hear the news, is she going to somewhere like Broadmoor? Or just a regular high-security prison? |
Don't know. I would think she'd have to be kept in solitary. I imagine a lot of the women in her prison would like 5 mins with her alone. | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:19 - Aug 21 with 2434 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:13 - Aug 21 by Ryorry |
A really sick one.
Didn't hear the news, is she going to somewhere like Broadmoor? Or just a regular high-security prison? |
I’d have money she’ll end up in Broadmoor. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:38 - Aug 21 with 2351 views | BlueBadger |
Last one replying to myself.
Here's the scariest and most depressing thing: pretty much everyone who's worked in any kind of patient-facing role will not be surprised by the self-preserving actions of the Trust management in this case.
'Corporate PR uber alles' is the overriding goal of a terrifying number of NHS execs. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 13:54]
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:49 - Aug 21 with 2279 views | HARRY10 |
There is a suggestion that she was having an affair with a doctor, and this may have been a way of getting his attention. It is not unknown for a woman spurned' to engage in irrational and totally non-proportionate behaviour.
However, such was the magnitude of her actions, she should have been aware that was she was doing was not right. It does appear she was, which does not suggest a sound mind. There is every chance she will end up in Broadmoor, as suggested above.
The investigation should determine who apparently 'protected' her. This was not some massive failing on a massive failing NHS, as the right wing media are claiming it, for their own agenda. But human behaviour as opposed to a system failure.
This was an isolated case. One that has rightly shocked if not sickened anyone learning about it. This may go a small way to explaining why, but does not come to terms with the complexity of peoples emotions. In this case the best we can do is protect society from such deeply flawed individuals.
And that has to mean removal from society indefinitely. |  | | |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:52 - Aug 21 with 2255 views | BlueBadger |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:49 - Aug 21 by HARRY10 |
There is a suggestion that she was having an affair with a doctor, and this may have been a way of getting his attention. It is not unknown for a woman spurned' to engage in irrational and totally non-proportionate behaviour.
However, such was the magnitude of her actions, she should have been aware that was she was doing was not right. It does appear she was, which does not suggest a sound mind. There is every chance she will end up in Broadmoor, as suggested above.
The investigation should determine who apparently 'protected' her. This was not some massive failing on a massive failing NHS, as the right wing media are claiming it, for their own agenda. But human behaviour as opposed to a system failure.
This was an isolated case. One that has rightly shocked if not sickened anyone learning about it. This may go a small way to explaining why, but does not come to terms with the complexity of peoples emotions. In this case the best we can do is protect society from such deeply flawed individuals.
And that has to mean removal from society indefinitely. |
Letby got a whole life sentence by BlueBadger 21 Aug 2023 13:38Last one replying to myself.
Here's the scariest and most depressing thing: pretty much everyone who's worked in any kind of patient-facing role will not be surprised by the self-preserving actions of the Trust management in this case.
'Corporate PR uber alles' is the overriding goal of a terrifying number of NHS execs.
Obviously, nothing on the scale of the Letby case is happening at other Trusts, but corporate level f**kery is a clear and present menace.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/23/west-suffolk-hospital-chair-resi | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:54 - Aug 21 with 2247 views | BloomBlue |
Fully deserved
Also need to look at mgmt actions during the situation and if their actions exacerbated this then they should also face a court room.
I also want to know why the senior consultants didn't go to the police themselves. Is there something in the NHS rulebook that means if you think a murder has been committed you go to mgmt and not the police? Good for them highlighting it but after they asked for the police to be involved and it was turned down why didn't one of them think f'k it I don't care I'll go direct to the police.
I know money doesn't bring back the children but I hope the families take the NHS to the cleaners for £millions in compensation. Unfortunately, sometimes in life, things only change once a financial fine is imposed, and something clearly needs to be changed here.
We're not a large country but we've suffered too many hospital children death related situations over recent years. 200 avoidable baby deaths at the Shrewsbury and Telford NHS, at least 45 across East Kent Hospitals, now this, the process that allowed these to happen is broken. |  | | |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:56 - Aug 21 with 2226 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:10 - Aug 21 by BlueBadger |
If there's any justice, the senior management who let her get away with it for a year will face charges of corporate manslaughter as well. |
Absolutely.
Moving forward might there be a rule put in as with airline pilots that you can't have just one person in the room/cockpit at any one time? I'm not sure how practical that is in the NHS but it seems the only way of stopping such a thing happening in the first place. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:57 - Aug 21 with 2232 views | blueasfook |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:54 - Aug 21 by BloomBlue |
Fully deserved
Also need to look at mgmt actions during the situation and if their actions exacerbated this then they should also face a court room.
I also want to know why the senior consultants didn't go to the police themselves. Is there something in the NHS rulebook that means if you think a murder has been committed you go to mgmt and not the police? Good for them highlighting it but after they asked for the police to be involved and it was turned down why didn't one of them think f'k it I don't care I'll go direct to the police.
I know money doesn't bring back the children but I hope the families take the NHS to the cleaners for £millions in compensation. Unfortunately, sometimes in life, things only change once a financial fine is imposed, and something clearly needs to be changed here.
We're not a large country but we've suffered too many hospital children death related situations over recent years. 200 avoidable baby deaths at the Shrewsbury and Telford NHS, at least 45 across East Kent Hospitals, now this, the process that allowed these to happen is broken. |
I read last week that the consultants who initially raised suspicions about her were forced by the management to write a letter of apology to her! That's just unfathomable. I think the Chief Exec of the hospital at the time has now been suspended (a little late!). There should now be a criminal investigation of the management also. | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 14:01 - Aug 21 with 2210 views | homer_123 |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:38 - Aug 21 by BlueBadger |
Last one replying to myself.
Here's the scariest and most depressing thing: pretty much everyone who's worked in any kind of patient-facing role will not be surprised by the self-preserving actions of the Trust management in this case.
'Corporate PR uber alles' is the overriding goal of a terrifying number of NHS execs. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 13:54]
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I've given you a thumbs up but it should be a thumbs down, if you know what I mean.
You are 100% correct. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 14:06 - Aug 21 with 2191 views | blueasfook |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:49 - Aug 21 by HARRY10 |
There is a suggestion that she was having an affair with a doctor, and this may have been a way of getting his attention. It is not unknown for a woman spurned' to engage in irrational and totally non-proportionate behaviour.
However, such was the magnitude of her actions, she should have been aware that was she was doing was not right. It does appear she was, which does not suggest a sound mind. There is every chance she will end up in Broadmoor, as suggested above.
The investigation should determine who apparently 'protected' her. This was not some massive failing on a massive failing NHS, as the right wing media are claiming it, for their own agenda. But human behaviour as opposed to a system failure.
This was an isolated case. One that has rightly shocked if not sickened anyone learning about it. This may go a small way to explaining why, but does not come to terms with the complexity of peoples emotions. In this case the best we can do is protect society from such deeply flawed individuals.
And that has to mean removal from society indefinitely. |
Just for once Harry, try keeping politics out of it. I think all sides see it for what it is, a (very) bad apple in a bunch of mostly good apples. NHS do a wonderful job and I am sure 99.99999% of NHS workers will be absolutely appalled that Letby did what she did. | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 17:11 - Aug 21 with 1838 views | Herbivore |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:49 - Aug 21 by HARRY10 |
There is a suggestion that she was having an affair with a doctor, and this may have been a way of getting his attention. It is not unknown for a woman spurned' to engage in irrational and totally non-proportionate behaviour.
However, such was the magnitude of her actions, she should have been aware that was she was doing was not right. It does appear she was, which does not suggest a sound mind. There is every chance she will end up in Broadmoor, as suggested above.
The investigation should determine who apparently 'protected' her. This was not some massive failing on a massive failing NHS, as the right wing media are claiming it, for their own agenda. But human behaviour as opposed to a system failure.
This was an isolated case. One that has rightly shocked if not sickened anyone learning about it. This may go a small way to explaining why, but does not come to terms with the complexity of peoples emotions. In this case the best we can do is protect society from such deeply flawed individuals.
And that has to mean removal from society indefinitely. |
"It is not unknown for a woman spurned' to engage in irrational and totally non-proportionate behaviour".
Christ on a bike, we're back in the 1920s and rehashing arguments about whether women are rational enough to be allowed the vote in the world of Harry. What a load of patronising, misogynistic guff. It's especially offensive when you consider that women are far more likely to be the victims of a spurned lover than to be perpetrators of violence.
And much as I generally love the NHS, this does highlight some pretty major systemic flaws. Senior leaders didn't want to see what was staring them in the face and babies lost their lives who didn't need to. This kind of stuff is all too common when you have blame culture and organisations living in existential fear so undoubtedly there is wider context to it, but this isn't just a simple case of a deranged woman going on a rampage that nobody could have done anything about. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 17:49 - Aug 21 with 1760 views | Ryorry |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 17:11 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
"It is not unknown for a woman spurned' to engage in irrational and totally non-proportionate behaviour".
Christ on a bike, we're back in the 1920s and rehashing arguments about whether women are rational enough to be allowed the vote in the world of Harry. What a load of patronising, misogynistic guff. It's especially offensive when you consider that women are far more likely to be the victims of a spurned lover than to be perpetrators of violence.
And much as I generally love the NHS, this does highlight some pretty major systemic flaws. Senior leaders didn't want to see what was staring them in the face and babies lost their lives who didn't need to. This kind of stuff is all too common when you have blame culture and organisations living in existential fear so undoubtedly there is wider context to it, but this isn't just a simple case of a deranged woman going on a rampage that nobody could have done anything about. |
Well said, thanks for saving me the bother re your first two paras.
If Harry had said "people" rather than "a woman" that wouldn't have been quite so bad, but sheer speculation as to motive surely shouldn't be coming into it without evidence anyway. | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 18:12 - Aug 21 with 1716 views | Ryorry |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:12 - Aug 21 by blueasfook |
Me too. Hearing the judge's comments about how those babies would have suffered made me angry and upset. |
And their poor parents'suffering too, which will never go away. | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 18:35 - Aug 21 with 1692 views | factual_blue |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 17:49 - Aug 21 by Ryorry |
Well said, thanks for saving me the bother re your first two paras.
If Harry had said "people" rather than "a woman" that wouldn't have been quite so bad, but sheer speculation as to motive surely shouldn't be coming into it without evidence anyway. |
Mrs Factual and myself debated the following point about the hospital management's failings.
They [hospital management] were being told by senior clinicians that this relatively junior member of staff was the common factor in all these deaths. Have the arguments and facts eliminated all those senior clinicians from suspicion been laid out?
It all seems so obvious in hindsight, but I for one wouldn't have wanted to be the senior hospital manager faced with this case as it unfolded. |  |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 18:39 - Aug 21 with 1680 views | factual_blue |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 13:13 - Aug 21 by Ryorry |
A really sick one.
Didn't hear the news, is she going to somewhere like Broadmoor? Or just a regular high-security prison? |
She'll have to be deemed as suffering with either mental illness and/or personality disorders, and represent a high degree of harm to themselves or others.
Whether or not that is actually the case, I suspect it would be politically unacceptable* for that to be the case, at least for the time being.
*By a Home Secretary of any party. | |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 20:32 - Aug 21 with 1578 views | BlueBadger |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 17:49 - Aug 21 by Ryorry |
Well said, thanks for saving me the bother re your first two paras.
If Harry had said "people" rather than "a woman" that wouldn't have been quite so bad, but sheer speculation as to motive surely shouldn't be coming into it without evidence anyway. |
Every so often Harry lets the mask slip and reminds us who's really at his controls. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 22:31]
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 20:35 - Aug 21 with 1569 views | lowhouseblue |
| Letby got a whole life sentence on 17:11 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
"It is not unknown for a woman spurned' to engage in irrational and totally non-proportionate behaviour".
Christ on a bike, we're back in the 1920s and rehashing arguments about whether women are rational enough to be allowed the vote in the world of Harry. What a load of patronising, misogynistic guff. It's especially offensive when you consider that women are far more likely to be the victims of a spurned lover than to be perpetrators of violence.
And much as I generally love the NHS, this does highlight some pretty major systemic flaws. Senior leaders didn't want to see what was staring them in the face and babies lost their lives who didn't need to. This kind of stuff is all too common when you have blame culture and organisations living in existential fear so undoubtedly there is wider context to it, but this isn't just a simple case of a deranged woman going on a rampage that nobody could have done anything about. |
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| Letby got a whole life sentence on 09:48 - Aug 22 with 1254 views | SonOfSpock |
Unfortunately she will no doubt be kept in solitary confinement during her stay at his majesty's pleasure.
It would be a real shame if she was allowed out into the rest of the prison population. Who knows what might happen to her... |  | | |
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