| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world 19:04 - Oct 29 with 110448 views | GlasgowBlue |
As per Dan's idea, this is the one thread for posting anti semitism awareness in the aftermath of the 7/11 pogrom.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 09:48 - Nov 18 with 7766 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 08:52 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue |
This is what happens when so called peaceful people carry signs saying “Globalise the intifada”.
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Do you honestly think the peaceful protest was characterised by "Globalise the intifada" rather than there being a few present with ridiculous takes on their signs ... rather like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon attending an antisemitism rally? |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 09:59 - Nov 18 with 7720 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 09:48 - Nov 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Do you honestly think the peaceful protest was characterised by "Globalise the intifada" rather than there being a few present with ridiculous takes on their signs ... rather like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon attending an antisemitism rally? |
That’s not what Globalise the Intifada means anyway. Intifada means resistance against colonialism, occupation and oppression and is by no means restricted to Israel-Palestine but in liberation and progressive movements all over the Arab world.
It’s also clear that this is the world’s problem to deal with and resolve so the fight for human rights and justice does need to be lifted to the global scale. International pressure needs to be brought to bear on Israel and its major supporters or the untenable and unjustifiable situation for millions of Palestinians wIll remain. |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:01 - Nov 18 with 7703 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 09:48 - Nov 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Do you honestly think the peaceful protest was characterised by "Globalise the intifada" rather than there being a few present with ridiculous takes on their signs ... rather like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon attending an antisemitism rally? |
I never said the protest was characterised by “globalise the intifada” . I said so called peaceful people carrying these signs.
I already stated that the majority in these marches are peaceful.
So in a protest for peace by GlasgowBlue 13 Nov 2023 13:52No. The majority of people marching would have been entirely peaceful. In a march of 300,000 it doesn't have to be a majority to be widespread.
The vast majority of people who attended football matches in the 1970's and 80's were there for the football and not for the violence. However, football hooliganism during that period was "widespread". It's not about percentages, it's about the number of instances.
If it was just 1% then there would have been more anti semites marching through the streets of London this weekend than there was at Cable Street.
Hamas cosplayers, attempted stabbing of a man condemning Hamas, fireworks set off at the police, antisemitic placards, genocidal chants, calls to murder Jews, a Jewsih house daubed in red paint, homophobic abuse of Michael Gove, flares outside a synagogue. I'd say that passes the test for being widespread.
But these signs aren’t necessarily being carried by the hard core Hamas supporters and antisemites who make up a minority. I even had a pm from another poster saying he saw these signs in a protest in Ipswich. I dint think a lot of those carrying them realise the full implication. [Post edited 18 Nov 2023 10:03]
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:14 - Nov 18 with 7657 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:01 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue |
I never said the protest was characterised by “globalise the intifada” . I said so called peaceful people carrying these signs.
I already stated that the majority in these marches are peaceful.
So in a protest for peace by GlasgowBlue 13 Nov 2023 13:52No. The majority of people marching would have been entirely peaceful. In a march of 300,000 it doesn't have to be a majority to be widespread.
The vast majority of people who attended football matches in the 1970's and 80's were there for the football and not for the violence. However, football hooliganism during that period was "widespread". It's not about percentages, it's about the number of instances.
If it was just 1% then there would have been more anti semites marching through the streets of London this weekend than there was at Cable Street.
Hamas cosplayers, attempted stabbing of a man condemning Hamas, fireworks set off at the police, antisemitic placards, genocidal chants, calls to murder Jews, a Jewsih house daubed in red paint, homophobic abuse of Michael Gove, flares outside a synagogue. I'd say that passes the test for being widespread.
But these signs aren’t necessarily being carried by the hard core Hamas supporters and antisemites who make up a minority. I even had a pm from another poster saying he saw these signs in a protest in Ipswich. I dint think a lot of those carrying them realise the full implication. [Post edited 18 Nov 2023 10:03]
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"This is what happens when so called peaceful people carry signs saying “Globalise the intifada”." sounds rather like you did but there we go.
Have a good day. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:32 - Nov 18 with 7611 views | leitrimblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:14 - Nov 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"This is what happens when so called peaceful people carry signs saying “Globalise the intifada”." sounds rather like you did but there we go.
Have a good day. |
Some on the far right seem determined to label a peacefull march calling for a ceasefire and the end to the daily killing of hundreds of Palestinian children a antisemitic hate march. They clearly have their own agenda |  | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:14 - Nov 18 with 7498 views | Swansea_Blue |
When people on here who were appalled by both the 7th October attacks in Israel and the indiscriminate killings in Gaza can’t agree, it shows how there’s no chance of those involved in those countries ever coming to an accord. None whatsoever, sweet FA. So the cycle of death and loss will continue. |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:46 - Nov 18 with 7418 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:14 - Nov 18 by Swansea_Blue |
When people on here who were appalled by both the 7th October attacks in Israel and the indiscriminate killings in Gaza can’t agree, it shows how there’s no chance of those involved in those countries ever coming to an accord. None whatsoever, sweet FA. So the cycle of death and loss will continue. |
I don’t think that’s quite true.
As long as there are those who justify either Hamas’s terrible massacre or the Israeli government’s awful and ongoing response that goes even further then the cycle of violence will continue. Unfortunately there just isn’t universal condemnation of the violence where there needs to be.
Our ultimate inability to prioritise the rights and needs of both the Palestinian and Israeli civilians is why this keeps on going. And that’s where we in the UK have been most complicit. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:53 - Nov 18 with 7091 views | wkj |
Not just on this debate, but on a number of other posts there has been a number of times where a conclusion that paints someone in a negative light has been made before the debate into clarity has taken place. Assumptions on semantics has also been a driver into some unpleasant comments that hint at accusations.
It is incredibly hard not the be suckered into the mire of social media bubbles and clearly there are some voices who are exploiting Jewish people and faith to prop up their Islamophobic mission. This doesn't mean it is the norm however, but it also doesn't mean people who are sympathetic towards the Palestinian's plight are in any way prejudice or antisemitic either. Some people simply don't like seeing human beings suffer and if they see one side as more aggressive and oppressive then naturally they will speak up without necessarily having any stock at all with the faith element in play.
In short though, many people simply do not know how to debate at all. The mission of a debate should be to learn and educate not fight and conflagrate. This is why these long threads often get pulled as the start off relatively interesting in debate and tone but soon become disgusting with thinly veiled (and sometimes blatant) accusations of prejudice, motive or agenda propping.
In short, shutting down the rebuttal with ignorance its a very childlike way of engaging in adult discussion. Sometimes we may as well start a thread where all that gets said is "Na na na, Im not listening and while we're at it you're a nanny boo boo head and a meanie because you red the Beano and I read the Dandy"
I am going to enjoy my Viz now, as I am an adult.
EDIT: (This comment was made in response to a number of other comments that have now been deleted. Apologies if reading this back appears like im giving a closing argument with all the evidence now reduced to a smouldering heap) [Post edited 18 Nov 2023 13:26]
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:35 - Nov 18 with 6940 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:46 - Nov 18 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t think that’s quite true.
As long as there are those who justify either Hamas’s terrible massacre or the Israeli government’s awful and ongoing response that goes even further then the cycle of violence will continue. Unfortunately there just isn’t universal condemnation of the violence where there needs to be.
Our ultimate inability to prioritise the rights and needs of both the Palestinian and Israeli civilians is why this keeps on going. And that’s where we in the UK have been most complicit. |
I think everyone on here has condemned the Hamas attack and Netanyahu’s heavy handed response at some point haven’t they? Yet there’s still a lot of playing the man and arguing over at best minor differences. It does seem to get unnecessarily tetchy on here at times. Of course, it could just be that people like to argue? | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:45 - Nov 18 with 6919 views | Whos_blue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:35 - Nov 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I think everyone on here has condemned the Hamas attack and Netanyahu’s heavy handed response at some point haven’t they? Yet there’s still a lot of playing the man and arguing over at best minor differences. It does seem to get unnecessarily tetchy on here at times. Of course, it could just be that people like to argue? |
Oh no they don't. |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 20:00 - Nov 18 with 6715 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 22:22 - Nov 18 with 6632 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 20:00 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue |
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Are they openly parading that without any opposition nor legal consequence? I would assume they would be breaking some laws in this country if they did that and would be rapidly arrested if they tried to. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 23:21 - Nov 18 with 6584 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 22:22 - Nov 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Are they openly parading that without any opposition nor legal consequence? I would assume they would be breaking some laws in this country if they did that and would be rapidly arrested if they tried to. |
Apparently the police are monitoring the situation and there has been condemnation since the march. But no details of arrests.
These people have been emboldened since the sharp rise in antisemitism since 7/10. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:35 - Nov 19 with 6394 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:35 - Nov 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I think everyone on here has condemned the Hamas attack and Netanyahu’s heavy handed response at some point haven’t they? Yet there’s still a lot of playing the man and arguing over at best minor differences. It does seem to get unnecessarily tetchy on here at times. Of course, it could just be that people like to argue? |
I see people on here and in the wider world constantly defending and covering for the Israeli response.
No-one has come even remotely close to defending and covering for the Hamas massacre. On here anyway, and those voices are rightly criticised as extremist themselves in the public debate.
There’s a need for a lot less propaganda and a lot more honesty and objective balance. The fact that it’s coming from people who have a long record of pushing narratives on here and in public is just part of it. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:29 - Nov 20 with 6161 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 23:21 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Apparently the police are monitoring the situation and there has been condemnation since the march. But no details of arrests.
These people have been emboldened since the sharp rise in antisemitism since 7/10. |
"Monitoring". Christ. I'd like to think they'd be in the slammer if they tried that here.
The Soros stuff is obviously more subtle, but it's pervasive isn't it? Even being peddled by the MSM. Sickening stuff. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:53 - Nov 21 with 5956 views | NeedhamChris |
This isn't the first example - it's not islamaphobic to say there's a problem here and the current situation has emboldened those with more radical views. |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:16 - Nov 21 with 5904 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:53 - Nov 21 by NeedhamChris |
This isn't the first example - it's not islamaphobic to say there's a problem here and the current situation has emboldened those with more radical views. |
No doubt that there is a problem with religion and beliefs justifying racism and racist violence. But that’s on both sides (cf religious zionists and ultrazionists many of whom are effectively supremacists).
There has to be a predominantly humanist and humanitarian response under international law to Israel-Palestine. Sidelining the extremist leaders and their supporters not just in the region but overseas so more sensible, compassionate and just voices start defining the way forward.
It is after all 2023. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:58 - Nov 21 with 5828 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:16 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
No doubt that there is a problem with religion and beliefs justifying racism and racist violence. But that’s on both sides (cf religious zionists and ultrazionists many of whom are effectively supremacists).
There has to be a predominantly humanist and humanitarian response under international law to Israel-Palestine. Sidelining the extremist leaders and their supporters not just in the region but overseas so more sensible, compassionate and just voices start defining the way forward.
It is after all 2023. |
I agree that religious intolerance has no place in 2023 (or any other year for that matter).
But I’m curious why you repeatedly use the term ‘supremacists’ only in relation to Israel, and never Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian regime who openly want to wipe the only Jewish state from the map? | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:04 - Nov 21 with 5809 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:16 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
No doubt that there is a problem with religion and beliefs justifying racism and racist violence. But that’s on both sides (cf religious zionists and ultrazionists many of whom are effectively supremacists).
There has to be a predominantly humanist and humanitarian response under international law to Israel-Palestine. Sidelining the extremist leaders and their supporters not just in the region but overseas so more sensible, compassionate and just voices start defining the way forward.
It is after all 2023. |
Do you want to take your 'both siding" to the Palestine thread?
This is the one thread about antisemitism. Can you at least let us have that without your usual anti zionism?
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:08 - Nov 21 with 5801 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:58 - Nov 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I agree that religious intolerance has no place in 2023 (or any other year for that matter).
But I’m curious why you repeatedly use the term ‘supremacists’ only in relation to Israel, and never Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian regime who openly want to wipe the only Jewish state from the map? |
Because nobody in their right mind supports the religious intolerance and racism of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. I take it as read that we shouldn’t be supporting or condoning those views.
But we consistently support the ethno-religious supremacism espoused by the Israeli regime and its far-right supporters.
We shouldn’t tolerate or give our support, however tacit, to either. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:10 - Nov 21 with 5789 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:58 - Nov 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I agree that religious intolerance has no place in 2023 (or any other year for that matter).
But I’m curious why you repeatedly use the term ‘supremacists’ only in relation to Israel, and never Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian regime who openly want to wipe the only Jewish state from the map? |
Hey. There are good people on both sides. Or something like that. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:15 - Nov 21 with 5777 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:04 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Do you want to take your 'both siding" to the Palestine thread?
This is the one thread about antisemitism. Can you at least let us have that without your usual anti zionism?
Thanks. |
Oh please.
I responded to a post that was inflammatory on its own and without the overall context. The entrenched, one-sided views are why we’ve got to this place.
The recent crisis has seen a rise in antisemitism AND islamophobia and I don’t intend to encourage either extreme position. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:31 - Nov 21 with 5718 views | lowhouseblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:15 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
Oh please.
I responded to a post that was inflammatory on its own and without the overall context. The entrenched, one-sided views are why we’ve got to this place.
The recent crisis has seen a rise in antisemitism AND islamophobia and I don’t intend to encourage either extreme position. |
hello mr kettle, i'm mr pot, i must say you're looking a little black and sooty today. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:37 - Nov 21 with 5688 views | NeedhamChris |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:16 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
No doubt that there is a problem with religion and beliefs justifying racism and racist violence. But that’s on both sides (cf religious zionists and ultrazionists many of whom are effectively supremacists).
There has to be a predominantly humanist and humanitarian response under international law to Israel-Palestine. Sidelining the extremist leaders and their supporters not just in the region but overseas so more sensible, compassionate and just voices start defining the way forward.
It is after all 2023. |
This is a thread about how scary a world it is right now for Jews and this is one (of many) examples of sections of society openly calling for their death. That's scary and shouldn't be happening or quietly tolerated.
You've said nothing about that either in criticism of it or in solidarity with the Jewish community which says a lot about you.
Your need to create a false equivalence here is unwelcome and you should leave this post alone. [Post edited 21 Nov 2023 13:43]
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