| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world 19:04 - Oct 29 with 115050 views | GlasgowBlue |
As per Dan's idea, this is the one thread for posting anti semitism awareness in the aftermath of the 7/11 pogrom.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:54 - Dec 6 with 3668 views | Zapers |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:34 - Dec 6 by DJR |
Anyone calling for the genocide of Jews should be prosecuted. |
This, without any conditions. |  | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:56 - Dec 6 with 3659 views | eireblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:34 - Dec 6 by DJR |
Anyone calling for the genocide of Jews should be prosecuted. |
OMG, that is outrageous stuff.
You can imagine the Viz top tip now.
“Black students, worried about racism, white up when in public” |  | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:36 - Dec 6 with 3590 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 08:49 - Dec 6 by Zapers |
This is truly frightening, especially from the two university presidents just adding fuel to the fire of hate.
Sitting on the fence just increases the already widening gap of hatred towards Jews. |
The President of Pen just smirking everytime she avoided given a direct answer. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:37 - Dec 6 with 3586 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:34 - Dec 6 by DJR |
Anyone calling for the genocide of Jews should be prosecuted. |
Well said. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:41 - Dec 6 with 3571 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:56 - Dec 6 by eireblue |
OMG, that is outrageous stuff.
You can imagine the Viz top tip now.
“Black students, worried about racism, white up when in public” |
"You are missing the context. They were calling for the lynching of black students. It was not targeted at an individual black student" | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:57 - Dec 6 with 3533 views | matteoblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:41 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
"You are missing the context. They were calling for the lynching of black students. It was not targeted at an individual black student" |
It's just got scarier. It's when they smile and do it at the highest level of education is when you know it could be over. They are everywhere.
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:11 - Dec 6 with 3503 views | Herbivore |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 10:34 - Dec 6 by DJR |
Anyone calling for the genocide of Jews should be prosecuted. |
Yep, absolutely. It's a hate crime. |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:18 - Dec 6 with 3469 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:57 - Dec 6 by matteoblue |
It's just got scarier. It's when they smile and do it at the highest level of education is when you know it could be over. They are everywhere.
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Think we need to be careful taking a small part of a bigger testimony as proof of one thing or another.
A quick glance at this online shows that the situation is complex even around the "call for genocide of Jews".
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/10/19/university-of-pennsylvan
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/us/harvard-university-of-pennsylvania-mit-ant
On a more general note, the framing of stuff via social media and in particular those who are clearly picking sides is really not helpful. We see the rhetoric and hyperbole taken to ridiculous lengths and narratives allowed to substitute for the truth. |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:24 - Dec 6 with 3426 views | lowhouseblue |
and here come the excuses. the question wasn't specific to the facts of a particular case. it was an in principle question - which they couldn't or refused to answer.
in terms of the specific instances you have linked I have no doubt the facts are complex and the charges may well be entirely unproven. but the question was whether in principle a call for genocide breaches a university disciplinary code. if they can't answer that it's appalling. |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:28 - Dec 6 with 3396 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:24 - Dec 6 by lowhouseblue |
and here come the excuses. the question wasn't specific to the facts of a particular case. it was an in principle question - which they couldn't or refused to answer.
in terms of the specific instances you have linked I have no doubt the facts are complex and the charges may well be entirely unproven. but the question was whether in principle a call for genocide breaches a university disciplinary code. if they can't answer that it's appalling. |
But her point was that it would have to be termed as "conduct" to break the "Code of conduct" which is more of a legal responsibility argument than the blanket condemnation you clearly expect.
It sounded to me that they weren't talking about general principles, no doubt because that wouldn't be part of the university's remit. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:36 - Dec 6 with 3344 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:28 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
But her point was that it would have to be termed as "conduct" to break the "Code of conduct" which is more of a legal responsibility argument than the blanket condemnation you clearly expect.
It sounded to me that they weren't talking about general principles, no doubt because that wouldn't be part of the university's remit. |
I'll turn it around: Does her answer mean that UPenn is OK with people calling for the genocide of Jews on their campus?
That seems to be the conclusion people are jumping to based on this. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:37 - Dec 6 with 3335 views | redrickstuhaart |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:57 - Dec 6 by matteoblue |
It's just got scarier. It's when they smile and do it at the highest level of education is when you know it could be over. They are everywhere.
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Context is always relevant. | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:40 - Dec 6 with 3322 views | eireblue |
“We see the rhetoric and hyperbole taken to ridiculous lengths and narratives allowed to substitute for the truth.”
Yep, we saw that. | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:43 - Dec 6 with 3306 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:40 - Dec 6 by eireblue |
“We see the rhetoric and hyperbole taken to ridiculous lengths and narratives allowed to substitute for the truth.”
Yep, we saw that. |
Like to give an example? | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:46 - Dec 6 with 3286 views | GlasgowBlue |
Here he is. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:47 - Dec 6 with 3277 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:37 - Dec 6 by redrickstuhaart |
Context is always relevant. |
and here he is. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:49 - Dec 6 with 3275 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:46 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Here he is. |
Indeed. I'm always willing to dismantle misrepresentations and challenge propaganda. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:53 - Dec 6 with 3245 views | giant_stow |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:37 - Dec 6 by redrickstuhaart |
Context is always relevant. |
In what context could calling for the genocide of Jews be acceptable? I genuinely don't understand |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:56 - Dec 6 with 3224 views | eireblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:43 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
Like to give an example? |
Yes, as analogy:
In any context, if someone said all Irish people should be killed, and then someone tried to explain the nuances of that statement to me by pointing at some news article that was unrelated to someone considering the statement all Irish people should be killed,….. at best, at a very generous best, I would consider that person a complete fecking idiot.
Is that somewhat helpful. | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:58 - Dec 6 with 3210 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:53 - Dec 6 by giant_stow |
In what context could calling for the genocide of Jews be acceptable? I genuinely don't understand |
That wasn't the question.
This from the Harvard Crimson:
Presidents Grilled on Codes of Conduct — 3:46 p.m.
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“Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules of bullying and harassment?” Stefanik repeatedly asked the witnesses.
All three presidents attempted to bring nuance into their answers as Stefanik continued to push for a yes or no response.
Magill said that “if the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment.”
Stefanik aggressively took issue with Magill’s reference to conduct and asked whether such actions would mean “committing the act of genocide.”
Kornbluth acknowledged that she’s “heard chants” on campus, but said that they only may be “antisemitic depending on the context.”
“Antisemitic speech when it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation — that is actionable conduct and we do take action,” Gay said.
Answering the same question, Gay said that whether speech qualifies as harassment at Harvard “depends on the context.”
“It does not depend on the context — the answer is yes,” Stefanik said to Gay.
“This is why you should resign,” Stefanik added. “These are unacceptable answers across the board.”
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Important to note that Stefanik is a Trump fan who strays into QAnon conspiracy theories. And the account of the whole hearing reveals how much of this was badgering and grandstanding. | |
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| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 13:59 - Dec 6 with 3207 views | Bloots |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:49 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. I'm always willing to dismantle misrepresentations and challenge propaganda. |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:59 - Dec 6 with 3193 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:56 - Dec 6 by eireblue |
Yes, as analogy:
In any context, if someone said all Irish people should be killed, and then someone tried to explain the nuances of that statement to me by pointing at some news article that was unrelated to someone considering the statement all Irish people should be killed,….. at best, at a very generous best, I would consider that person a complete fecking idiot.
Is that somewhat helpful. |
Then you need to read more about this issue if you think that's the right analogy. | |
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| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 14:02 - Dec 6 with 3174 views | Darth_Koont |
| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 13:59 - Dec 6 by Bloots |
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That was an error. Reported by many but also corrected many times since.
There are also getting on for 20,000 deaths that can be attributed to Israel's murderous attack. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:04 - Dec 6 with 3151 views | Blueschev |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:58 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
That wasn't the question.
This from the Harvard Crimson:
Presidents Grilled on Codes of Conduct — 3:46 p.m.
Advertisement
“Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules of bullying and harassment?” Stefanik repeatedly asked the witnesses.
All three presidents attempted to bring nuance into their answers as Stefanik continued to push for a yes or no response.
Magill said that “if the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment.”
Stefanik aggressively took issue with Magill’s reference to conduct and asked whether such actions would mean “committing the act of genocide.”
Kornbluth acknowledged that she’s “heard chants” on campus, but said that they only may be “antisemitic depending on the context.”
“Antisemitic speech when it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation — that is actionable conduct and we do take action,” Gay said.
Answering the same question, Gay said that whether speech qualifies as harassment at Harvard “depends on the context.”
“It does not depend on the context — the answer is yes,” Stefanik said to Gay.
“This is why you should resign,” Stefanik added. “These are unacceptable answers across the board.”
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Important to note that Stefanik is a Trump fan who strays into QAnon conspiracy theories. And the account of the whole hearing reveals how much of this was badgering and grandstanding. |
I don't have speakers on my computer, but what are the chants they are referring to? Does it say? I'm no expert on US law but I'm pretty sure that calling for the genocide of any group of people would be illegal, despite the 1st amendment. |  | | |
| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 14:06 - Dec 6 with 3136 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 13:59 - Dec 6 by Bloots |
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He hasn't deleted that? WTF? | |
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