| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world 19:04 - Oct 29 with 115098 views | GlasgowBlue |
As per Dan's idea, this is the one thread for posting anti semitism awareness in the aftermath of the 7/11 pogrom.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
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| File it wherever you want.... on 16:32 - Dec 6 with 5008 views | Bloots |
| Yeah but, yeah but.... on 14:28 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
Ooooh. Handbags from Bloots.
I'll file that under Troll Tears. |
....that literally "isn't a biggie".
You are a terrible individual that represents perfectly everything that is wrong with the world we currently live in.
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| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 16:42 - Dec 6 with 4971 views | eireblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:20 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
I meant read more about the hearing. |
I know exactly what you meant.
I also know, as an Irish person, exactly what I would want someone in authority to say if the question was, “Someone calling for the death of all Irish people, good or bad, do something, don’t do something, protect Irish people from that, not protect Irish people from that”
I don’t think you know what I meant, as I said, generous best case.
Viz top tips, “If you are being racially abused, politely ask the abuser for some more reading material to make sure you understand the full context” |  | | |
| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 16:51 - Dec 6 with 4938 views | Darth_Koont |
| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 16:26 - Dec 6 by giant_stow |
I'm not getting wound up - I can't think what's given you that idea - just asking a reasonable question. One that you're seemingly keen to avoid as besides the point or immaterial, when in fact, as a question in principal is more than a little important. .
Israel not being responsible for that hospital disaster absolutely does change the 'context of the bombardment of a civilian population' - it reminds everyone that there are two entities, not one with a hand in the war. Its funny how you want to lecture about social media misframing on this hearing, but are happy to write off the absolutely wrong reporting of the deaths of 100s as 'It's not a biggie'. |
Bored of this nonsense now.
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 17:23 - Dec 6 with 4883 views | lowhouseblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 16:13 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
Oh FFS
This discussion is getting thicker by the minute. |
i have to say, i'm really not sure that this current situation is bringing out the best in you. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 17:55 - Dec 6 with 4806 views | blueasfook |
| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 16:51 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
Bored of this nonsense now.
I'll leave you to it. |
Lol, Stowers destroyed you. Off you slink |  |
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| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 17:59 - Dec 6 with 4799 views | PhilTWTD |
| Yeah, but Corbyn.... on 14:19 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
Gmpf.
Says the poster who has posted more unsubstantiated accusations and misrepresentations on here than anyone else. And hasn't come clean about any of them.
I think Corbyn isn't right here on the detail but still correct on the overall context. Should he correct the detail? Probably, yes. But it's not a biggie considering the IDF have targeted hospitals and healthcare failities as Hamas infrastructure. |
Think that's remarkably dismissive. I think we may have had enough of this defending the indefensible. |  | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:09 - Dec 7 with 4454 views | itfcjoe |
Thought this was a good article by David Aaronovitch on his (free) substack and this thread best place for it:
A tug on the thread
A story about modern Left antisemitism
This is a piece that originated in fury.
A few days ago a veteran Australian journalist and former news anchor called Mary Kostakidis retweeted in full and approvingly this paragraph from a website she’d been reading. This is it:
If the Jews being shot and shoveled into ovens could just break through that wall, of course, they would kill anyone they found partying right on the other side of it! And, of course, they would take women and children hostage and drag them back into their hell inside if doing so would give them leverage to free their fellow Jews from torture and death! This thought, of course, set in motion an obvious but taboo moral question in my mind about one of the most pressing matters of our time: Is it understandable why people in Gaza, similarly trapped behind a wall in a concentration camp and experiencing genocide, would kill or take hostage people they found partying on the other side of the wall holding them in?
The question at the end there is a rhetorical device. If these actions by “people in Gaza” weren't “understandable” in the opinion of the author, then he wouldn’t have asked it. His meaning is clear. If Jews were in the position Palestinians in Gaza were in - a position directly comparable to Jews during the Holocaust - then they’d have committed the same crimes on October 7th that Hamas and its allies did. Note the three “of courses”, “of course” these putative Holocaust Jews would kill anyone found “partying” nearby, “ of course” they’d take children hostage, and “of course” this thought had set in motion the “taboo moral question” which the brave author so very nearly answers. How could it not?
Put this way what took place in Southern Israel a month ago - horrible though it may have been but no longer realistically deniable - is not just explicable, it is actually excusable. The rapes, the close-up executions, the face-to-face murder of children, the mutilation of bodies and the glee with which some of it was done, are all to be understood as the inevitable, righteous and even strategic response (“if doing so would give them leverage”) to the situation of the Palestinians of Gaza as of October 6th.
The paragraph above was written by an American man on a website famous - among those who study such things - for its dancing on and across the line between hating Israel and hating Jews. I don’t care what he thinks. I do care however that a very senior and once respected former journalist and anchor at a major Australian TV station with thousands of followers should repost it approvingly. I may not have heard of Kostakidis before but plenty of people in Australia will have. So much so that when in 2007 she quit her position on the SBS channel (roughly equivalent to Channel 4 in the UK), one major newspaper described her as “iconic”.
This icon is the same age as me. Kostakidis is one of the great and the good of liberal Australia and has served on the boards of the Sydney Theatre, the National Library of Australia, the Sydney Peace Foundation (which she chaired) and something called The Privacy Foundation. At the Australian National University she continues to be part of something called the Freilich Project for the Study of Bigotry. I hope someone on the project is now studying her.
That comparison
There are three elements to the comparison above, two spoken and one mute but present.
Element one concerns what was happening to Jews during the Holocaust. There were essentially four ways it could go if you were a Jew in occupied Europe once you were arrested. The first way was to be taken under guard to a forest clearing or a sand dune or a ravine, lined up in batches and shot and then buried. The second was to be transported directly to a death camp and, minutes after arrival gassed to death. The third was to be considered fit for work and then, from the prison or camp, to be marched to the place of labour and worked till you died, usually of illness (though shooting or hanging was always an option for the guards). A fourth was to be forced into a ghetto in which illness and starvation were rife, and which in any case were only holding pens - a prelude - to the other three fates. The description of Jews being shot and shovelled behind a wall fits none of these routes to destruction. In other words the author does not know that much about the Holocaust and doesn't much seem to care that he doesn’t.
Element two is the comparison with Gaza pre-October 7th. Was there a genocide going on there which was in some way analogous to the Holocaust? Of course not. There was no attempt to physically eliminate all the people of Gaza, indeed the numbers of people living there grew steadily. There were (and still are) schools, colleges, hospitals, clinics, significant amounts of foreign and international aid, and though movement was restricted and there were security zones around the strip (both on the Israeli and the Egyptian borders) Gazans went to work in Israel for money and not because they were slave labour to be worked to death. Two weeks ago I met a senior eye surgeon who in addition to working at Moorfields also works in Jerusalem and Gaza. Not many eye surgeons were operating on Jews in Auschwitz-Birkenau - unless perhaps they were working for Dr Mengele. It is certainly difficult and often humiliating to be a Gazan Palestinian, with a substantial chance you know someone killed in an Israeli retaliation. Treblinka it ain’t.
And this is where the mute and to me most repellent aspect of the above paragraph comes in. Because though Jews were in these camps and ghettoes or being transported, there weren’t any October 7th massacres committed by break-out Jews. A few people escaped from cattle trucks. Rather fewer found themselves at the bottom of a pile of bodies and climbed through their dead friends and relatives to survive the war. There were a couple of camp revolts in which guards’ weapons were seized and a very few of those involved made it out to the forests, where they joined partisans or - far more likely - hid. Not much time for massacring. None for raping. It was just about surviving.
So the mute suggestion here - which even the author couldn't acknowledge - is that the Holocaust Jews lacked the bravery and gumption of the Gazans. Otherwise they would have done what Hamas did and broken through the walls and murdered everyone on the other side - maybe raping and mutilating a few along the way.
The rest of us - those maybe who are not associated with a Project for the Study of Bigotry - could reflect on another critical difference. The Jews of Auschwitz-Birkenau and the other work-camps were not self-governed by a heavily armed and trained militia several thousand strong. The Nazis didn't allow that kind of thing. There was no Hamas in Sobibor.
So where does this s**t come from?
I hope it’s evident, without me having to spell it out too much, just how disgusting I find both the original sentiment and then its dissemination on social media. So much so that I couldn’t help wondering about Kostakidis herself. What did she know about the Holocaust? Wikipedia tells us that she was taken to Australia when she was two, but had originally been born in the northern Greek town of Veria, not far from Thessaloniki. A place which for Jews has a very special history.
Was Mary curious about her home town? More particularly did she ever wonder what had happened there during the war and the German occupation which her parents and their friends would surely have experienced?
Just a little digging tells us that the Germans arrived in Verya on April 11th 1941. Two years later (April 1943) a German Sonderkommando of the security police bussed in to oversee the deportation of the town’s Jews. A contemporary report tells how:
Miriam Mordechai, a Jewish woman from Veroia who went into hiding, recalls that prior to the deportation, the Germans and their collaborators made an attempt to uncover and confiscate as many valuables as they could; one of the methods of doing so was by torturing the wealthier Jewish inhabitants of Veroia. She describes in her memoirs the brutal roundup of the Jews: "The day they started assembling the Jews at the Jewish ghetto for their transport I peeked through a crack and I saw a pregnant woman giving birth in the street, the Germans pushed and beat her and she was crying. […] [My son] Asher peeked from another crack towards the synagogue, and saw two men jumping from the balcony to the chasm below. […] After all the torture inflicted by the Nazi beasts on the Jews of our town, including my family, my dear mother who was taken from her sickbed, my four sisters, one of them married and mother of five, my elder brother, his wife and their five children, I sat in the closed hiding place together with my children, hearing the screams and unable to do anything. I became hysterical, and started shouting "save my mother!" But there was nothing to be done."...
The full link is here:
https://deportation.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&itemId=11057418
Verya (Veroia) was following what had already happened in Thessaloniki, which had been the centre of Jewish life in Greece, with the majority of Greece’s 80,00 Jews living there. A report from December 1943 tells its recipients that:
Of the 55,000 Jews formerly living in Salonica, there are now three left. These three have married Orthodox Greeks and embraced that faith.
Of all these Jews, (our) informant (47 members of whose family were deported) knows of only one family that has been heard from. He believes the Germans were attempting a systematic extermination and therefore that some of the stories current about mass killings are undoubtedly true. As reason for believing that extermination was behind the deportation of the Jews from Salonica, he says that among those included were war victims, blind and maimed, some even legless, 150 from the insane asylum, 70 persons over 90, all the orphans and all criminals from the jails.
In all 460 Jews from Verya were deported and one must presume that they were all murdered. Whether or not Kostakidis’s family tried to help them (which would have been incredibly dangerous), stood by and watched or actively collaborated, we can have no idea. Did she ever ask them?
What we do know is that in April 1941 and again in 1943 the British authorities specifically refused to allow Jews from Greece to enter Palestine. What their particular fate eventually was, I don’t know.
In September 2019 the civic authorities and others in Verya held a commemoration for the lost Jews of their town. They made a Thread of Memory - a procession uphill to the town centre, with students holding up placards with the names of the victims. A Greek newspaper reported that the march was “crowded by hundreds of citizens who followed the thread with tears in their eyes”.
In 2021 in Thessaloniki, beside the main railway station, the city unveiled a mural dedicated to the memory of the tens of thousands of Jewish residents who had been deported and murdered. The mural was vandalised by neo-Nazis shortly after it was revealed. But a few weeks ago it was vandalised again. This time it was smeared with paint and the legend “Free Palestine Jews = Nazi” daubed on it. It’s the illustration at the top of the page.
So what else?
None of this tells you what to think about ceasefires, humanitarian pauses, Binyamin Netanyahu, how best to defeat Hamas (the organisation which quite knowingly brought this recent catastrophe about) or how best to alleviate the terrible suffering of the innocents of Gaza. But it does tell you about a toxic mix of ignorance, prejudice and self-righteousness which manifests itself among the educated of the West.
And here I should tell you what happens if you pull on Kostakidis’s thread. In 2013, for example, you can find her writing for the Guardian on the subject of Julian Assange, the Wikileaks Party of Australia and his prison-based bid for a seat in the Australian senate. Welcoming Assange’s intervention Kostakidis wrote that “despite unresolved sexual allegations against him, polling suggests his party has a real chance of winning Senate seats in NSW and Victoria.”
Assange got 1.18% and 0.8% of the vote in those contests. The Wikileaks Party tried to do electoral deals with far right parties, cuddled up to (pre-covid) anti-vax groups and in December 2013 sent a delegation to Syria to meet with the Butcher of Damascus, Bashar-al-Assad. This was shortly after having described claims that Assad had used chemical weapons at Ghota as “unsubstantiated”.
This was a view that a radicalising Kostakidis herself took a step further claiming (alongside people like Peter Hitchens) that there was an attempt to “cover up” an OPCW investigation into chemical weapons in Syria which might absolve Assad. This (in fact non-existent) cover-up, she tweeted, was “used to demonise Assad to justify continued bombing and oil theft”.
Before the pandemic, when China was being accused of a policy of genocide against its Uighur minority (through enforced cultural assimilation and reduced birth strategies) Kostakidis wrote that “the whole Uighur genocide narrative has been a fabrication” and then added the hashtag #CIA.
Four days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine began in 2022 she was one of the signatories of an open letter demanding that the US “de-escalate” over Ukraine. The letter read that:
For more than a month now we have been subjected to cries of 'an imminent invasion of ...... Ukraine by Russian forces' by the western press. We have been told that Putin has an invasion plan but no evidence of that has been given. Putin has consistently said that no invasion by Russia is planned or intended.
When the appalling western press was indeed vindicated by the Russian attack an utterly unabashed Kostakidis began retweeting Russian propaganda claims about a “genocide” committed by Ukraine in the Donbas.
You get the picture. I’ve already written here about that strange process of self-radicalisation which has turned previously milquetoast conservatives into frothing Trumpites and Orban lovers. And here is its equivalent on the Left: previously decent liberals who have managed to become excusers of Russian invasions, Chinese persecutions, Syrian poisoners and now of Jew-killers. I despair…
And now I need to wash.
https://davidaaronovitch.substack.com/ |  |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:26 - Dec 7 with 4373 views | phillymark |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:09 - Dec 7 by itfcjoe |
Thought this was a good article by David Aaronovitch on his (free) substack and this thread best place for it:
A tug on the thread
A story about modern Left antisemitism
This is a piece that originated in fury.
A few days ago a veteran Australian journalist and former news anchor called Mary Kostakidis retweeted in full and approvingly this paragraph from a website she’d been reading. This is it:
If the Jews being shot and shoveled into ovens could just break through that wall, of course, they would kill anyone they found partying right on the other side of it! And, of course, they would take women and children hostage and drag them back into their hell inside if doing so would give them leverage to free their fellow Jews from torture and death! This thought, of course, set in motion an obvious but taboo moral question in my mind about one of the most pressing matters of our time: Is it understandable why people in Gaza, similarly trapped behind a wall in a concentration camp and experiencing genocide, would kill or take hostage people they found partying on the other side of the wall holding them in?
The question at the end there is a rhetorical device. If these actions by “people in Gaza” weren't “understandable” in the opinion of the author, then he wouldn’t have asked it. His meaning is clear. If Jews were in the position Palestinians in Gaza were in - a position directly comparable to Jews during the Holocaust - then they’d have committed the same crimes on October 7th that Hamas and its allies did. Note the three “of courses”, “of course” these putative Holocaust Jews would kill anyone found “partying” nearby, “ of course” they’d take children hostage, and “of course” this thought had set in motion the “taboo moral question” which the brave author so very nearly answers. How could it not?
Put this way what took place in Southern Israel a month ago - horrible though it may have been but no longer realistically deniable - is not just explicable, it is actually excusable. The rapes, the close-up executions, the face-to-face murder of children, the mutilation of bodies and the glee with which some of it was done, are all to be understood as the inevitable, righteous and even strategic response (“if doing so would give them leverage”) to the situation of the Palestinians of Gaza as of October 6th.
The paragraph above was written by an American man on a website famous - among those who study such things - for its dancing on and across the line between hating Israel and hating Jews. I don’t care what he thinks. I do care however that a very senior and once respected former journalist and anchor at a major Australian TV station with thousands of followers should repost it approvingly. I may not have heard of Kostakidis before but plenty of people in Australia will have. So much so that when in 2007 she quit her position on the SBS channel (roughly equivalent to Channel 4 in the UK), one major newspaper described her as “iconic”.
This icon is the same age as me. Kostakidis is one of the great and the good of liberal Australia and has served on the boards of the Sydney Theatre, the National Library of Australia, the Sydney Peace Foundation (which she chaired) and something called The Privacy Foundation. At the Australian National University she continues to be part of something called the Freilich Project for the Study of Bigotry. I hope someone on the project is now studying her.
That comparison
There are three elements to the comparison above, two spoken and one mute but present.
Element one concerns what was happening to Jews during the Holocaust. There were essentially four ways it could go if you were a Jew in occupied Europe once you were arrested. The first way was to be taken under guard to a forest clearing or a sand dune or a ravine, lined up in batches and shot and then buried. The second was to be transported directly to a death camp and, minutes after arrival gassed to death. The third was to be considered fit for work and then, from the prison or camp, to be marched to the place of labour and worked till you died, usually of illness (though shooting or hanging was always an option for the guards). A fourth was to be forced into a ghetto in which illness and starvation were rife, and which in any case were only holding pens - a prelude - to the other three fates. The description of Jews being shot and shovelled behind a wall fits none of these routes to destruction. In other words the author does not know that much about the Holocaust and doesn't much seem to care that he doesn’t.
Element two is the comparison with Gaza pre-October 7th. Was there a genocide going on there which was in some way analogous to the Holocaust? Of course not. There was no attempt to physically eliminate all the people of Gaza, indeed the numbers of people living there grew steadily. There were (and still are) schools, colleges, hospitals, clinics, significant amounts of foreign and international aid, and though movement was restricted and there were security zones around the strip (both on the Israeli and the Egyptian borders) Gazans went to work in Israel for money and not because they were slave labour to be worked to death. Two weeks ago I met a senior eye surgeon who in addition to working at Moorfields also works in Jerusalem and Gaza. Not many eye surgeons were operating on Jews in Auschwitz-Birkenau - unless perhaps they were working for Dr Mengele. It is certainly difficult and often humiliating to be a Gazan Palestinian, with a substantial chance you know someone killed in an Israeli retaliation. Treblinka it ain’t.
And this is where the mute and to me most repellent aspect of the above paragraph comes in. Because though Jews were in these camps and ghettoes or being transported, there weren’t any October 7th massacres committed by break-out Jews. A few people escaped from cattle trucks. Rather fewer found themselves at the bottom of a pile of bodies and climbed through their dead friends and relatives to survive the war. There were a couple of camp revolts in which guards’ weapons were seized and a very few of those involved made it out to the forests, where they joined partisans or - far more likely - hid. Not much time for massacring. None for raping. It was just about surviving.
So the mute suggestion here - which even the author couldn't acknowledge - is that the Holocaust Jews lacked the bravery and gumption of the Gazans. Otherwise they would have done what Hamas did and broken through the walls and murdered everyone on the other side - maybe raping and mutilating a few along the way.
The rest of us - those maybe who are not associated with a Project for the Study of Bigotry - could reflect on another critical difference. The Jews of Auschwitz-Birkenau and the other work-camps were not self-governed by a heavily armed and trained militia several thousand strong. The Nazis didn't allow that kind of thing. There was no Hamas in Sobibor.
So where does this s**t come from?
I hope it’s evident, without me having to spell it out too much, just how disgusting I find both the original sentiment and then its dissemination on social media. So much so that I couldn’t help wondering about Kostakidis herself. What did she know about the Holocaust? Wikipedia tells us that she was taken to Australia when she was two, but had originally been born in the northern Greek town of Veria, not far from Thessaloniki. A place which for Jews has a very special history.
Was Mary curious about her home town? More particularly did she ever wonder what had happened there during the war and the German occupation which her parents and their friends would surely have experienced?
Just a little digging tells us that the Germans arrived in Verya on April 11th 1941. Two years later (April 1943) a German Sonderkommando of the security police bussed in to oversee the deportation of the town’s Jews. A contemporary report tells how:
Miriam Mordechai, a Jewish woman from Veroia who went into hiding, recalls that prior to the deportation, the Germans and their collaborators made an attempt to uncover and confiscate as many valuables as they could; one of the methods of doing so was by torturing the wealthier Jewish inhabitants of Veroia. She describes in her memoirs the brutal roundup of the Jews: "The day they started assembling the Jews at the Jewish ghetto for their transport I peeked through a crack and I saw a pregnant woman giving birth in the street, the Germans pushed and beat her and she was crying. […] [My son] Asher peeked from another crack towards the synagogue, and saw two men jumping from the balcony to the chasm below. […] After all the torture inflicted by the Nazi beasts on the Jews of our town, including my family, my dear mother who was taken from her sickbed, my four sisters, one of them married and mother of five, my elder brother, his wife and their five children, I sat in the closed hiding place together with my children, hearing the screams and unable to do anything. I became hysterical, and started shouting "save my mother!" But there was nothing to be done."...
The full link is here:
https://deportation.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&itemId=11057418
Verya (Veroia) was following what had already happened in Thessaloniki, which had been the centre of Jewish life in Greece, with the majority of Greece’s 80,00 Jews living there. A report from December 1943 tells its recipients that:
Of the 55,000 Jews formerly living in Salonica, there are now three left. These three have married Orthodox Greeks and embraced that faith.
Of all these Jews, (our) informant (47 members of whose family were deported) knows of only one family that has been heard from. He believes the Germans were attempting a systematic extermination and therefore that some of the stories current about mass killings are undoubtedly true. As reason for believing that extermination was behind the deportation of the Jews from Salonica, he says that among those included were war victims, blind and maimed, some even legless, 150 from the insane asylum, 70 persons over 90, all the orphans and all criminals from the jails.
In all 460 Jews from Verya were deported and one must presume that they were all murdered. Whether or not Kostakidis’s family tried to help them (which would have been incredibly dangerous), stood by and watched or actively collaborated, we can have no idea. Did she ever ask them?
What we do know is that in April 1941 and again in 1943 the British authorities specifically refused to allow Jews from Greece to enter Palestine. What their particular fate eventually was, I don’t know.
In September 2019 the civic authorities and others in Verya held a commemoration for the lost Jews of their town. They made a Thread of Memory - a procession uphill to the town centre, with students holding up placards with the names of the victims. A Greek newspaper reported that the march was “crowded by hundreds of citizens who followed the thread with tears in their eyes”.
In 2021 in Thessaloniki, beside the main railway station, the city unveiled a mural dedicated to the memory of the tens of thousands of Jewish residents who had been deported and murdered. The mural was vandalised by neo-Nazis shortly after it was revealed. But a few weeks ago it was vandalised again. This time it was smeared with paint and the legend “Free Palestine Jews = Nazi” daubed on it. It’s the illustration at the top of the page.
So what else?
None of this tells you what to think about ceasefires, humanitarian pauses, Binyamin Netanyahu, how best to defeat Hamas (the organisation which quite knowingly brought this recent catastrophe about) or how best to alleviate the terrible suffering of the innocents of Gaza. But it does tell you about a toxic mix of ignorance, prejudice and self-righteousness which manifests itself among the educated of the West.
And here I should tell you what happens if you pull on Kostakidis’s thread. In 2013, for example, you can find her writing for the Guardian on the subject of Julian Assange, the Wikileaks Party of Australia and his prison-based bid for a seat in the Australian senate. Welcoming Assange’s intervention Kostakidis wrote that “despite unresolved sexual allegations against him, polling suggests his party has a real chance of winning Senate seats in NSW and Victoria.”
Assange got 1.18% and 0.8% of the vote in those contests. The Wikileaks Party tried to do electoral deals with far right parties, cuddled up to (pre-covid) anti-vax groups and in December 2013 sent a delegation to Syria to meet with the Butcher of Damascus, Bashar-al-Assad. This was shortly after having described claims that Assad had used chemical weapons at Ghota as “unsubstantiated”.
This was a view that a radicalising Kostakidis herself took a step further claiming (alongside people like Peter Hitchens) that there was an attempt to “cover up” an OPCW investigation into chemical weapons in Syria which might absolve Assad. This (in fact non-existent) cover-up, she tweeted, was “used to demonise Assad to justify continued bombing and oil theft”.
Before the pandemic, when China was being accused of a policy of genocide against its Uighur minority (through enforced cultural assimilation and reduced birth strategies) Kostakidis wrote that “the whole Uighur genocide narrative has been a fabrication” and then added the hashtag #CIA.
Four days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine began in 2022 she was one of the signatories of an open letter demanding that the US “de-escalate” over Ukraine. The letter read that:
For more than a month now we have been subjected to cries of 'an imminent invasion of ...... Ukraine by Russian forces' by the western press. We have been told that Putin has an invasion plan but no evidence of that has been given. Putin has consistently said that no invasion by Russia is planned or intended.
When the appalling western press was indeed vindicated by the Russian attack an utterly unabashed Kostakidis began retweeting Russian propaganda claims about a “genocide” committed by Ukraine in the Donbas.
You get the picture. I’ve already written here about that strange process of self-radicalisation which has turned previously milquetoast conservatives into frothing Trumpites and Orban lovers. And here is its equivalent on the Left: previously decent liberals who have managed to become excusers of Russian invasions, Chinese persecutions, Syrian poisoners and now of Jew-killers. I despair…
And now I need to wash.
https://davidaaronovitch.substack.com/ |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:59 - Dec 8 with 4193 views | GlasgowBlue |
From the University that gave us David Miller.
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:10 - Dec 8 with 4170 views | giant_stow |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 11:59 - Dec 8 by GlasgowBlue |
From the University that gave us David Miller.
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To me, its not so much the possible threat or incitement thats disturbing here, as she's an elderly person who appears to be joking. Its more the casual agreement with the filth spouted by the 'Former Labour Spad' which is revealing. So many people seem to feel this way - how can they exclude Jews from their probable anti-racist ideals like this? It's just so mental.
Edit: it appears shes also lost her titles from the Uni because of this - just so dim, apart from anything - what a way to crap on your own career. [Post edited 8 Dec 2023 12:12]
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:16 - Dec 8 with 4101 views | lowhouseblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:10 - Dec 8 by giant_stow |
To me, its not so much the possible threat or incitement thats disturbing here, as she's an elderly person who appears to be joking. Its more the casual agreement with the filth spouted by the 'Former Labour Spad' which is revealing. So many people seem to feel this way - how can they exclude Jews from their probable anti-racist ideals like this? It's just so mental.
Edit: it appears shes also lost her titles from the Uni because of this - just so dim, apart from anything - what a way to crap on your own career. [Post edited 8 Dec 2023 12:12]
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the david aaronovitch piece rather nails this. for some on the left there is a coming together of a set of anti american beliefs which amount to any american enemy can't be all bad but any american ally must be bad. it develops into excuses for putin, assad, assange and china and an obsessive hatred of israel. and then that hatred of israel often morphs into something even nastier. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:23 - Dec 8 with 4012 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:16 - Dec 8 by lowhouseblue |
the david aaronovitch piece rather nails this. for some on the left there is a coming together of a set of anti american beliefs which amount to any american enemy can't be all bad but any american ally must be bad. it develops into excuses for putin, assad, assange and china and an obsessive hatred of israel. and then that hatred of israel often morphs into something even nastier. |
Yes. An excellent article that hits the nail firmly on the head. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:34 - Dec 8 with 3988 views | leitrimblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:16 - Dec 8 by lowhouseblue |
the david aaronovitch piece rather nails this. for some on the left there is a coming together of a set of anti american beliefs which amount to any american enemy can't be all bad but any american ally must be bad. it develops into excuses for putin, assad, assange and china and an obsessive hatred of israel. and then that hatred of israel often morphs into something even nastier. |
Argh, now i get it. People's dislike of the far right apartheid state of Isreal is due to anti American beliefs. Nothing to do with the apartheid system or the indiscriminate killing of children or targeting civilian health and infrastructure. It's purely down to the anti American sentiment of the left  |  | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:47 - Dec 8 with 3950 views | blueasfook |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 12:10 - Dec 8 by giant_stow |
To me, its not so much the possible threat or incitement thats disturbing here, as she's an elderly person who appears to be joking. Its more the casual agreement with the filth spouted by the 'Former Labour Spad' which is revealing. So many people seem to feel this way - how can they exclude Jews from their probable anti-racist ideals like this? It's just so mental.
Edit: it appears shes also lost her titles from the Uni because of this - just so dim, apart from anything - what a way to crap on your own career. [Post edited 8 Dec 2023 12:12]
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To me it appears to be inciting racial hatred. Which I am pretty sure is a crime in this country. I don't know how they get away with it. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:50 - Dec 8 with 3942 views | blueasfook |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:34 - Dec 8 by leitrimblue |
Argh, now i get it. People's dislike of the far right apartheid state of Isreal is due to anti American beliefs. Nothing to do with the apartheid system or the indiscriminate killing of children or targeting civilian health and infrastructure. It's purely down to the anti American sentiment of the left |
It's pretty much how the hard left decide who they don't like, yes. | |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:52 - Dec 8 with 3918 views | DJR |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:47 - Dec 8 by blueasfook |
To me it appears to be inciting racial hatred. Which I am pretty sure is a crime in this country. I don't know how they get away with it. |
It strikes me that charges may well follow. |  | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:56 - Dec 8 with 3898 views | leitrimblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:50 - Dec 8 by blueasfook |
It's pretty much how the hard left decide who they don't like, yes. |
In that case you would have to wonder what it is about the far right apartheid state of Isreal that so many life time Tory voters find so appealing? | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:01 - Dec 8 with 3884 views | blueasfook |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:56 - Dec 8 by leitrimblue |
In that case you would have to wonder what it is about the far right apartheid state of Isreal that so many life time Tory voters find so appealing? |
I don't think anyone is saying we find the Jewish state "appealing". I think most sensible people take a balanced view that there are two sides in this conflict. [Post edited 8 Dec 2023 15:01]
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:03 - Dec 8 with 3864 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 13:16 - Dec 8 by lowhouseblue |
the david aaronovitch piece rather nails this. for some on the left there is a coming together of a set of anti american beliefs which amount to any american enemy can't be all bad but any american ally must be bad. it develops into excuses for putin, assad, assange and china and an obsessive hatred of israel. and then that hatred of israel often morphs into something even nastier. |
Barely a word is ever said from Dear Leader and the hard left about the Ukrainian war, which may have claimed over 100,000 Ukrainian lives if you include the soldiers fighting for survival. In fact when he did it was a weasel mouthed statement about how the West shouldn’t be sending weapons to assist their allies.
With Israel, as you say there’s no balance - never a word against Iran who’ve flooded the region with over 150,000 rockets and missiles and trained various terrorist groups. Furthermore where is the outrage for the tens of thousands of mainly Muslim deaths as Iran have fuelled the Syrian Civil War, and the Saudi-Yemen conflict. Default = anti Western stance even if it means excusing butchers and despots. | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:14 - Dec 8 with 3815 views | lowhouseblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:34 - Dec 8 by leitrimblue |
Argh, now i get it. People's dislike of the far right apartheid state of Isreal is due to anti American beliefs. Nothing to do with the apartheid system or the indiscriminate killing of children or targeting civilian health and infrastructure. It's purely down to the anti American sentiment of the left |
criticism of israel and the current government is not only fine it's right. but for some on the left that criticism turns into irrational hatred - and it fits into a world view which excuses and justifies really abhorrent things and states. the quote at the start of the aaronovitch piece illustrates the moral cesspit some fall into.
i absolutely 100% don't apply any of that to you - but the miss-use of words, including 'apartheid', is far from objective or balanced. again the aaronvitch piece deals with that. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:17 - Dec 8 with 3805 views | leitrimblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:01 - Dec 8 by blueasfook |
I don't think anyone is saying we find the Jewish state "appealing". I think most sensible people take a balanced view that there are two sides in this conflict. [Post edited 8 Dec 2023 15:01]
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There are indeed 2 sides. But apparently if you criticise the Isreali state its because your anti American and probably something worse. Absolutely nothing to do with the visible daily actions of the apartheid state of Isreal | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:26 - Dec 8 with 3765 views | positivity |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 14:47 - Dec 8 by blueasfook |
To me it appears to be inciting racial hatred. Which I am pretty sure is a crime in this country. I don't know how they get away with it. |
i agree, not sure how braverman gets away with it either, both should be looked at for prosecution [Post edited 8 Dec 2023 17:18]
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| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:29 - Dec 8 with 3737 views | leitrimblue |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:14 - Dec 8 by lowhouseblue |
criticism of israel and the current government is not only fine it's right. but for some on the left that criticism turns into irrational hatred - and it fits into a world view which excuses and justifies really abhorrent things and states. the quote at the start of the aaronovitch piece illustrates the moral cesspit some fall into.
i absolutely 100% don't apply any of that to you - but the miss-use of words, including 'apartheid', is far from objective or balanced. again the aaronvitch piece deals with that. |
Thanks for your clarification, especially on your last paragraph.
Wether or not it's an apartheid system is definitely something worth debating. But perhaps another thread at another time | | | |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 16:07 - Dec 8 with 3673 views | giant_stow |
| It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world on 15:26 - Dec 8 by positivity |
i agree, not sure how braverman gets away with it either, both should be looked at for prosecution [Post edited 8 Dec 2023 17:18]
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Its a weird place to fin myself defending this woman, but if you take a look at her twitter, I think she's either feeling events absolutely massively on an emotional level or actually partially lost it. If she must be prosecuted, I hope any sentence would be light. | |
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