| Football has an officiating problem 23:22 - Nov 7 with 5915 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Firstly I don’t like to blame the refs, we needed to see that out.
However, just a general observation. Spurs Chelsea compared to that tonight is like watching two different sports. VAR riddled craziness and then Town on the wrong end of the whistle. There has to be some kind of in between system here.
I think having a certain amount of challenges a game (maybe 2 per team) on decisions such as goals against, red card offenses or infringements in the box. The standard of referring is poor and there should be the technology and money in the champ to improve it.
Offside rule needs looking at as well when players are level to whether they are truly gaining an advantage. |  | | |  |
| Football has an officiating problem on 09:51 - Nov 8 with 1876 views | WeWereZombies |
| Football has an officiating problem on 08:37 - Nov 8 by TownieRob |
I was thinking about this after that crazy game on Monday night, and now more so after last night. It's becoming a mix of the football we knew and American football, with all the replays and officials constantly reviewing causing so many delays and not even getting the right decision in the end!
I'm not entirely sure how to make it better, but it got me wondering about the coaches and managers we're seeing now. Some of them never quite made it to the top as players, and their careers got cut short for various reasons. Maybe that's the key? Should we be doing more to encourage players who leave the pro game early to become referees?
I would expect they'd get the game from a player's perspective better, the intentions, the "dark arts," and the one thing that really bugs me and hopefully they would understand better are the contradictory decisions e.g when there is a penalty claim and its debatable if the defender got the ball, then a goal kick is given, suggesting no touch of the ball... I also expect they'd handle the high-pressure situations like a breeze, having been out there on the field themselves.
Of course, any plan like this would need some careful thinking, especially regarding loyalties and prio associations. But isn't that what's happening already with referees having their "own" team and the FA making the assignments? |
'It's becoming a mix of the football we knew and American football, with all the replays and officials constantly reviewing causing so many delays and not even getting the right decision in the end!'
There was a game in the Scottish Premiership last week when the players took to the pitch for the second half and were then ordered back to their dressing rooms for five minutes or so because there was a technical problem with the VAR.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/st-johnstone-vs-hea |  |
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| Football has an officiating problem on 10:30 - Nov 8 with 1838 views | farkenhell |
| Football has an officiating problem on 07:08 - Nov 8 by Asa |
The ref had a perfect view and must see Hirst's leg being swept underneath him.
At that stage it doesn't matter whether he clucks his arms like a chicken on the way down. Hinchcliffe (I think) banging on about how theatrical he went down, when he was largely putting his arms out to try and balance as he want down, is completely irrelevant.
The standard of refereeing has been shocking but we've had plenty of bad refs this season and still won the matches so it's not cost us. We should have seen the game out last night but it's tiring to have such a clear decision missed.
I'd also say the handball gets given in the Premier League. His arm isn't in a natural position is it Andy. His hand is up. Natural is intended to be down by the sides or up slightly when jumping, not up in the air whilst grounded.
Annoying but, as we've seen in the Premier League, even with replays they are getting decisions completely wrong. What chance to we have at this level. |
Perfect analysis of both decisions. |  | | |
| Football has an officiating problem on 11:04 - Nov 8 with 1826 views | MattinLondon |
If you were fifteen or sixteen and were interested in becoming a referee and you start to look into it a bit more - what do you see? Sunday League officials being abused, parents abusing the refs at an U12 match. And much higher up, Jose abusing Anthony Taylor, incinerating hatred of him and his family at the airport. Do you carry on or think ‘nah, I’ll take up something else’.
It’s not the best refs that make the grade but the most hard skinned.
Personally I’ll keep goal line technology and allow three VAR challenges per match for each team. |  | | |
| Football has an officiating problem on 11:32 - Nov 8 with 1806 views | yorkshireblue |
| Football has an officiating problem on 08:31 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Did I read that last night's ref was going to be doing a prem game sat?
If so... surely it can't help to have officials working with and then without VAR.. |
He's doing Manchester United vs Luton. He's previously only done one game in the Prem this season (West ham vs Sheffield United) dropped down to the Championship as he struggled with the pace of the game. |  | | |
| Football has an officiating problem on 12:31 - Nov 8 with 1790 views | WeWereZombies |
| Football has an officiating problem on 11:04 - Nov 8 by MattinLondon |
If you were fifteen or sixteen and were interested in becoming a referee and you start to look into it a bit more - what do you see? Sunday League officials being abused, parents abusing the refs at an U12 match. And much higher up, Jose abusing Anthony Taylor, incinerating hatred of him and his family at the airport. Do you carry on or think ‘nah, I’ll take up something else’.
It’s not the best refs that make the grade but the most hard skinned.
Personally I’ll keep goal line technology and allow three VAR challenges per match for each team. |
If 'incinerating' hatred of Taylor means burning copies of The Sun then I'm with José.
But I think you mean inciting... | |
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| Football has an officiating problem on 12:37 - Nov 8 with 1788 views | lizzibee |
| Football has an officiating problem on 23:43 - Nov 7 by Garv |
Giving teams 'challenges' is the new obsession, and it smacks of desperately trying to improve VAR. It won't, it'll confuse things even more. It's one more thing for officials to have to think about and it'll slow the game down even more. It's a bad idea, so I expect to see it from the start of next season.
More technology won't improve refereeing. It'll make it worse if anything. The longer everyone tries to find perfection while constantly looking at subjective decisions and complaining about 'consistency' for some bizarre reason, the whole system will continue to fall flat on its arse.
We could have got one or two penalties tonight, but we didn't. Hirst got a kick but it didn't knock him over, he had to fall over to make it actually look like a foul. The handball was more obvious, but to be frank fewer penalties in the sport isn't a bad thing.
I agree the offside law should change though. |
Have to say, the ref yesterday evening was one of the worst I have seen. The linesmen were no better. Two clear penalties when he had perfect sight of them. Foolishly I thought the standard would improve with going up a league.
And that's before i even start on some of the bookings or fouls that were very wrong. | | | |
| Football has an officiating problem on 12:49 - Nov 8 with 1778 views | berkstractorboy |
| Football has an officiating problem on 23:43 - Nov 7 by Garv |
Giving teams 'challenges' is the new obsession, and it smacks of desperately trying to improve VAR. It won't, it'll confuse things even more. It's one more thing for officials to have to think about and it'll slow the game down even more. It's a bad idea, so I expect to see it from the start of next season.
More technology won't improve refereeing. It'll make it worse if anything. The longer everyone tries to find perfection while constantly looking at subjective decisions and complaining about 'consistency' for some bizarre reason, the whole system will continue to fall flat on its arse.
We could have got one or two penalties tonight, but we didn't. Hirst got a kick but it didn't knock him over, he had to fall over to make it actually look like a foul. The handball was more obvious, but to be frank fewer penalties in the sport isn't a bad thing.
I agree the offside law should change though. |
Cmon Garv you don't believe that about the Hirst penalty do you? The defenders leg kicks the standing leg away and completely unbalances Hirst. He didn't fallover to make it look a foul, he fell as he had lost balance.
Contact with consequence is so very clear in this case. | | | |
| Football has an officiating problem on 12:52 - Nov 8 with 1775 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Football has an officiating problem on 08:24 - Nov 8 by Simonds92 |
So scrap VAR but have a referee in each half of the pitch? Would they get in the way of the game doing that?
I absolutely get your point im just wondering if there's a suggestion on how to remedy the situation. |
Hockey does just that but there’s no offside so it’s just the 2 officials. I think 4 officials on a football pitch becomes chaos. I’d like to see Assistant Refs taking greater responsibility. 3 officials on the pitch should be enough | |
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| Football has an officiating problem on 12:53 - Nov 8 with 1772 views | MattinLondon |
| Football has an officiating problem on 12:31 - Nov 8 by WeWereZombies |
If 'incinerating' hatred of Taylor means burning copies of The Sun then I'm with José.
But I think you mean inciting... |
Yep - lazy reliance on predictive text. | | | |
| Football has an officiating problem on 13:05 - Nov 8 with 1757 views | Plums |
| Football has an officiating problem on 12:52 - Nov 8 by southnorfolkblue |
Hockey does just that but there’s no offside so it’s just the 2 officials. I think 4 officials on a football pitch becomes chaos. I’d like to see Assistant Refs taking greater responsibility. 3 officials on the pitch should be enough |
Assistant refs are very heavily involved, they are talking with the man in the middle all the time. They just don't 'go big' with the flag unless asked to these days.
It's hard enough getting one ref for a game these days, there would be no chance of having two per match unless you literally halved the number of games played. |  |
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| Football has an officiating problem on 13:13 - Nov 8 with 1752 views | longtimefan |
| Football has an officiating problem on 11:32 - Nov 8 by yorkshireblue |
He's doing Manchester United vs Luton. He's previously only done one game in the Prem this season (West ham vs Sheffield United) dropped down to the Championship as he struggled with the pace of the game. |
He's a Select Group 1, so a full-time Premier League ref. He doesn't get too many games in the PL as he's not very good. The PGMOL tried to demote him a few years ago but he appealed on some employment law grounds I believe, and they've been stuck with him since. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 13:16]
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| Football has an officiating problem on 13:17 - Nov 8 with 1744 views | JammyDodgerrr |
The problem with challenges in football compared to other sports, is Football is generally quite a low scoring game. If you then have challenges, they are likely to only be used on goals and generally will make a massive difference. I can't articulate it well here, but hopefully you get the gist. I think they do work well in other sports but feels like they wouldn't fit with football and would have too big of an impact. |  |
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| Football has an officiating problem on 13:48 - Nov 8 with 1718 views | GeoffSentence |
| Football has an officiating problem on 12:31 - Nov 8 by WeWereZombies |
If 'incinerating' hatred of Taylor means burning copies of The Sun then I'm with José.
But I think you mean inciting... |
Incinerating works as an excellent adjective for hatred though, like burning hate but more intense. |  |
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| Football has an officiating problem on 13:54 - Nov 8 with 1712 views | TheBoyBlue |
It's not so much mistakes that bother me. It happens, a lot of football decisions are subjective and refs are only human. And ultimately they probably balance out over a season.
However, the inconsistencies annoy me, like when the ref gives a free-kick anytime an opposing player falls over books Morsy for getting too close to someone, yet Hutchinson can't buy a penalty.
I think VAR only needs to be used in simple yes or no decisions such as offside, goalline stuff, etc. | |
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