| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes 19:32 - Nov 25 with 7633 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Just no depth.
Which is fine, we’re punching. But time to invest.
Yeah it’s Wally Boy, troll. Etc.. the bullies will downvote, but.. it’s true. |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:23 - Nov 26 with 1980 views | textbackup |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:15 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
Nope. Maybe rather than being on your high horse you actually read.
I'm suggesting to replace them.with better (especially in the January transfer window) you'd have to spend about £5m on each for a permanent signing anyway.
I doubt we will do that. [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 10:16]
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It would cost £1m to be an upgrade on jackson, £1.5m on ladapo.
If I’m on a high horse you’re in st Clements if you think it takes £5m to replace either of those |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:31 - Nov 26 with 1965 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 09:27 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
Some people have been waiting for a loss to just say this.
Lapapo came on vs Cardiff. Two goals
Harness v Birmingham 2 goals
They can't do it every game. Yesterday we could barely pass it.
Broadhead had a bad game, is he suddenly cr@p too?
Just best to ignore people who are waiting for this.
Also people saying we need to replace these players. Its most likely to cost the best part of £15m to replace say Jackson, Harness and Ladapo with upgrades, maybe more. Some people seem to think we're man City and can just splash cash haha |
Quite. FFP and all that, even if we had the money. Our position in the table does throw up an interesting quandary though. I don't know how much headroom with have with FFP, but if we're still sitting in the top two, do we gamble and spend to try to secure promotion? It could be worth it, but then if it goes wrong we could be stuffed and forced to sell anyone of value in the summer. Who'd run a football club, eh? |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:33 - Nov 26 with 1964 views | Stewart27 |
There’s a difference between bullying and a large volume of people having the same opinion on somebody who speaks utter tripe.
Only one common denominator in that equation.
Ok two if you include Frimley. You guys should start a forum and you can pleasure each other when we lose. |  | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:03 - Nov 26 with 1935 views | BlueNomad |
Yet just a few weeks ago it was the five subs who combined to score an outstanding goal |  | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:05 - Nov 26 with 1932 views | Herbivore |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:31 - Nov 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. FFP and all that, even if we had the money. Our position in the table does throw up an interesting quandary though. I don't know how much headroom with have with FFP, but if we're still sitting in the top two, do we gamble and spend to try to secure promotion? It could be worth it, but then if it goes wrong we could be stuffed and forced to sell anyone of value in the summer. Who'd run a football club, eh? |
Think Ashton said that our relative lack of spending in the summer has given us some headroom to spend in January. We've got a couple of assets we'd be pretty much guaranteed to get decent fees for if we don't go up and need to sell to spend again. We don't necessarily want to go nuts and risk disrupting the squad but if we could bring in a quality CM to provide cover and completion for Morsy, and a bit of bite ideally, and another CF to compete with Hirst then that would be good business for me. |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:21 - Nov 26 with 1919 views | Vaughan8 |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:23 - Nov 26 by textbackup |
It would cost £1m to be an upgrade on jackson, £1.5m on ladapo.
If I’m on a high horse you’re in st Clements if you think it takes £5m to replace either of those |
Unfortunately you're deluded and are likely to be disappointed on 1 Feb. I doubt we will get in 3 or 4 players let alone players of a massive improvement on what we have.
Scarlett can't even get many minutes and he's an England u21 International.
To get players who are good top 6 championship players ts going to cost more than 1-1.5m a player?
Yes Jackson and Ladapo aren't worth much if we sell them, but to get upgrades is going to cost a lot more.
People saying get that blackburn guy. He's going to be over £5m surely (unless he's out of contract in June) [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 11:23]
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:24 - Nov 26 with 1908 views | textbackup |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:21 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
Unfortunately you're deluded and are likely to be disappointed on 1 Feb. I doubt we will get in 3 or 4 players let alone players of a massive improvement on what we have.
Scarlett can't even get many minutes and he's an England u21 International.
To get players who are good top 6 championship players ts going to cost more than 1-1.5m a player?
Yes Jackson and Ladapo aren't worth much if we sell them, but to get upgrades is going to cost a lot more.
People saying get that blackburn guy. He's going to be over £5m surely (unless he's out of contract in June) [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 11:23]
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Your point was it would cost £15m to get an upgrade on those 3.
It wouldn’t
Yet you call me deluded 😂 | |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:26 - Nov 26 with 1902 views | Vaughan8 |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:24 - Nov 26 by textbackup |
Your point was it would cost £15m to get an upgrade on those 3.
It wouldn’t
Yet you call me deluded 😂 |
I think maybe you need to just step back and take a breather.
You're like a child who has lost his first game of guess who when he's won the last 20 games having a tantrum haha | | | |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:42 - Nov 26 with 1883 views | textbackup |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:26 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
I think maybe you need to just step back and take a breather.
You're like a child who has lost his first game of guess who when he's won the last 20 games having a tantrum haha |
I’m really not.
I’ve said we were poor, and a loss has been coming, we can’t keep giving away early goals.
What part of that is that bad? And what did you see yesterday that makes you so happy today? | |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 12:38 - Nov 26 with 1859 views | cressi |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:42 - Nov 26 by textbackup |
I’m really not.
I’ve said we were poor, and a loss has been coming, we can’t keep giving away early goals.
What part of that is that bad? And what did you see yesterday that makes you so happy today? |
People have different views
See although I stress so far McKenna has done a fantastic job we as fans have the right to a view a opinion and it may be different to others.
See I have never thought Jackson is good enough definitely not good enough to help you get promoted 2 decent games every ten whether that's starting or off the bench.
Ladapo I actually liked but the way we press he don't seem to fit the way McKenna plays.
And centre midfield Llungo, Morsey and Taylor the one thing all three lack is pace just a observation. | | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 12:58 - Nov 26 with 1849 views | Vegtablue |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:26 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
I think maybe you need to just step back and take a breather.
You're like a child who has lost his first game of guess who when he's won the last 20 games having a tantrum haha |
Honestly, I think only your comments have flirted with immaturity (nowt wrong with them all the same) and I don't see why he needs to step back from his position. Hirst is an upgrade on Ladapo and he cost an initial outlay of £1.5m. Taylor cost £1.5m, Broadhead £1.5m, Davis £1.2m, Burns £500-900K. The market hasn't substantially moved since they were brought in, although a couple have increased substantially in value.
£5m bought Hull Philogene in the summer, one of the best wingers in the league. Connolly cost £1m, Whittaker and Mumba also £1m, Osmajic £2m, Yates £2.5m, Rusyn £1.75m, Bellingham £1.5m... as committed as Ladapo and Jackson have been for us, they're on the cusp of Championship standard rather than comfortably of this level. We're routinely facing squads that are objectively our equal or better, despite our position in the league - something McKenna alludes to regularly.
I don't know if we have the funds to upgrade positions in January or if we'll instead be targeting greater depth, but £5m and a decent recruiting department would enable us to upgrade both Jackson and Ladapo and I'd also be enquiring about my change, frankly. Having said that, I wouldn't prioritize Jackson's position. | | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 13:46 - Nov 26 with 1820 views | Vaughan8 |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 12:58 - Nov 26 by Vegtablue |
Honestly, I think only your comments have flirted with immaturity (nowt wrong with them all the same) and I don't see why he needs to step back from his position. Hirst is an upgrade on Ladapo and he cost an initial outlay of £1.5m. Taylor cost £1.5m, Broadhead £1.5m, Davis £1.2m, Burns £500-900K. The market hasn't substantially moved since they were brought in, although a couple have increased substantially in value.
£5m bought Hull Philogene in the summer, one of the best wingers in the league. Connolly cost £1m, Whittaker and Mumba also £1m, Osmajic £2m, Yates £2.5m, Rusyn £1.75m, Bellingham £1.5m... as committed as Ladapo and Jackson have been for us, they're on the cusp of Championship standard rather than comfortably of this level. We're routinely facing squads that are objectively our equal or better, despite our position in the league - something McKenna alludes to regularly.
I don't know if we have the funds to upgrade positions in January or if we'll instead be targeting greater depth, but £5m and a decent recruiting department would enable us to upgrade both Jackson and Ladapo and I'd also be enquiring about my change, frankly. Having said that, I wouldn't prioritize Jackson's position. |
I'm immature for what? Mr Backup needs to chill.out a bit. That's all I said. And other sound like a child who has lost a game in a while.......
Saying decent players will cost £5m? January has a premium firstly.
Those players mentioned aren't really better are they? The one who is cost £5m.
The same yates who has scored 4 goals in 14 games?
Most of those players we've previously bought will come at a premium too now cos we are in a higher league. Sorry but they will.
Name me other strikers who will be much better than ladapo who won't cost roughly £5m. Players coming aren't going to sit on yhe bench either so who you going to drop?
The likelihood is it'll be some loans (with a view to deals in the summer)
Having said that, I don't think either striker is that great and won't score loads. [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 13:47]
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 13:53 - Nov 26 with 1809 views | NeedhamChris |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 09:34 - Nov 26 by textbackup |
Neither added anything, or were likely to.
But because you’ve called that out you’ll be seen as a ‘flouncer’ or whatever. |
Indeed - Ashton talks all the time about continuous improvement but when it's mentioned here in terms of the playing squad it's so contentious.
I don't think it's being particularly negative - it's not Jackson/Ladapo's fault that we've left them behind in terms of expectations. I'd say both would be fine for mid-table Championship sides. We'll see what happens - if they're as good an option as we need then I'd expect it'll be a top 10 Champ side that they end up moving to if we replace them. If not - then that'll suggest that other clubs agree that they're not up to the standard needed at the top end to really change | |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 14:20 - Nov 26 with 1785 views | Vegtablue |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 13:46 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
I'm immature for what? Mr Backup needs to chill.out a bit. That's all I said. And other sound like a child who has lost a game in a while.......
Saying decent players will cost £5m? January has a premium firstly.
Those players mentioned aren't really better are they? The one who is cost £5m.
The same yates who has scored 4 goals in 14 games?
Most of those players we've previously bought will come at a premium too now cos we are in a higher league. Sorry but they will.
Name me other strikers who will be much better than ladapo who won't cost roughly £5m. Players coming aren't going to sit on yhe bench either so who you going to drop?
The likelihood is it'll be some loans (with a view to deals in the summer)
Having said that, I don't think either striker is that great and won't score loads. [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 13:47]
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Your string of replies have lacked a little maturity. The unnecessary inclusion of laughter at the end of posts, suggesting the poster tried reading, your high horse and guess who references, comparing the poster to a child.. I believe the rhetorical devices you've employed on this occasion lack a little maturity. I only mentioned it because you sent the charge the other way. I didn't mean to present as upset or angry and I didn't think textbackup needed backup. Sorry if you feel ganged up on.
I believe the players I've mentioned are better. Fair enough that you disagree with this, we're entitled to different opinions obviously. It's my opinion that Ladapo and Jackson are near the lower limit of Championship standard, while average Championship players can typically be sought with a budget of £2m. I'm also asserting that all the players I listed with transfer fees next to them are at least average Championship players if not better, including the ones that belong to us. | | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 14:20 - Nov 26 with 1784 views | nrb1985 |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 13:46 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
I'm immature for what? Mr Backup needs to chill.out a bit. That's all I said. And other sound like a child who has lost a game in a while.......
Saying decent players will cost £5m? January has a premium firstly.
Those players mentioned aren't really better are they? The one who is cost £5m.
The same yates who has scored 4 goals in 14 games?
Most of those players we've previously bought will come at a premium too now cos we are in a higher league. Sorry but they will.
Name me other strikers who will be much better than ladapo who won't cost roughly £5m. Players coming aren't going to sit on yhe bench either so who you going to drop?
The likelihood is it'll be some loans (with a view to deals in the summer)
Having said that, I don't think either striker is that great and won't score loads. [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 13:47]
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It is painfully obvious that Ladapo cannot be effective at this level. The idea it would cost 5m to replace him with someone better is for the birds - even including the January premium.
As others have pointed out, it's not a slight on Freddie, been a good free signing but we need to have coming off the bench players that can effect games on a regular basis. | | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 07:04 - Nov 27 with 1679 views | Horsham |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 14:20 - Nov 26 by nrb1985 |
It is painfully obvious that Ladapo cannot be effective at this level. The idea it would cost 5m to replace him with someone better is for the birds - even including the January premium.
As others have pointed out, it's not a slight on Freddie, been a good free signing but we need to have coming off the bench players that can effect games on a regular basis. |
Agree it shouldn’t cost £5m to improve on Ladapo but I suspect that our ambitions are a bit higher than simply improving on a back up striker. Ladapo’s replacement ideally would at least be the same standard as Hirst and that might not be easy for less than £5m. [Post edited 27 Nov 2023 7:06]
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 08:17 - Nov 27 with 1653 views | Coastalblue |
How many times we going to be shocked at the way we smash our transfer record in January? More than the two to three times in the summer you kept insisting on? |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 08:22 - Nov 27 with 1649 views | itfcjoe |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 09:46 - Nov 26 by Herbivore |
Think we've had the most goals scored by substitutes in the league this season, so the idea we don't have players coming off the bench who can contribute is ridiculous. I'd like us to add some more quality in January for sure, it'll give us a much needed boost, but almost everyone in the squad has contributed well at different times. |
Whilst that is true it doesn't mean that they aren't often a significant drop down in quality - McKenna utilisies the bench well but there is an issue when your better players are playing poorly (as both Broadhead and Chaplin were) that the options from the bench when they are significant quality drop off can just end up as rearranging the deckchairs |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 08:41 - Nov 27 with 1640 views | BigCommon |
We definitely lack some quality in depth, compared to some of the oppo' squads that we are competing with in the top 6.. I think we know that and its probably the reason why most fans thought a top 8 finish would be a decent showing this season....
Wally, you aren't trolling, you're just stating the obvious..
It's been said plenty of times , that when certain players aren't on the pitch, there is a drop off...
It's clear we need to strengthen in January, if the remit is to get promoted...
That's not to say, that the players we've got aren't trying their best. But KM can only get so much out of what he's got available, atm.. So far he's done brilliantly. But I think it's unfair to expect him to keep up a similar ppg , for the entirety of the season, with a jaded squad and no reinforcements... |  | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 08:42 - Nov 27 with 1636 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 13:53 - Nov 26 by NeedhamChris |
Indeed - Ashton talks all the time about continuous improvement but when it's mentioned here in terms of the playing squad it's so contentious.
I don't think it's being particularly negative - it's not Jackson/Ladapo's fault that we've left them behind in terms of expectations. I'd say both would be fine for mid-table Championship sides. We'll see what happens - if they're as good an option as we need then I'd expect it'll be a top 10 Champ side that they end up moving to if we replace them. If not - then that'll suggest that other clubs agree that they're not up to the standard needed at the top end to really change |
This. Neither Will here come the end of the Summer window whatever happens. | | | |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:41 - Nov 27 with 1604 views | BiGDonnie |
Crying about downvotes before you've even posted said post is utterly tragic. |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 11:56 - Nov 27 with 1578 views | Rimsy |
Surely Jackson will go on a free when he eventually leaves (league 1 level at best) cost very little to bring in an upgrade. I like Ladapo but I think he's reached his ceiling and brings little to the team. |  |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 16:31 - Nov 27 with 1505 views | Herbivore |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 08:22 - Nov 27 by itfcjoe |
Whilst that is true it doesn't mean that they aren't often a significant drop down in quality - McKenna utilisies the bench well but there is an issue when your better players are playing poorly (as both Broadhead and Chaplin were) that the options from the bench when they are significant quality drop off can just end up as rearranging the deckchairs |
Sure, but relative to the rest of the division they are contributing well. Perhaps other sides at this level have an even bigger drop off in quality when they go to the bench? Od like to see us look to improve and I'm sure we will, but I think some deliberately go a bit OTT about the alleged lack of quality on our bench. | |
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 17:56 - Nov 27 with 1462 views | rodney76 |
| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 10:15 - Nov 26 by Vaughan8 |
Nope. Maybe rather than being on your high horse you actually read.
I'm suggesting to replace them.with better (especially in the January transfer window) you'd have to spend about £5m on each for a permanent signing anyway.
I doubt we will do that. [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 10:16]
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The 'owners' will need to dig deep in order to strengthen in January. Our position by then might well determine their willingness to do this.
All teams need strength in depth. Teams competing at the top end of the Championship are no exception.
The player's mentioned are perhaps not the only slight (nb) weaknesses in this respect, but McKenna constantly expresses the need for squad improvement. It has been a constant trend and there is little reason to expect the January window to be an exception.
Like others, I would wish for a.n. other striker on board as well.
Now is not the time to be concerned with this. January might be. [Post edited 27 Nov 2023 17:57]
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| Bringing on Jacko and Ladapo speaks volumes on 18:15 - Nov 27 with 1439 views | MK1 |
Congratulation. First and hopefully only to go on my ignore list. Never thought I would use it, but you have earned the right. Maybe stick to watching Baseball in future. |  |
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