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That is never the less, since Leicester, 4/5 goals now in two months you would reasonably have expected him to not concede. Their second tonight was bat sh*t insane, I have no idea what he’s doing losing his head like that.
Win is a win though and great finish by Omari and great character to come back to win it again. COYB.
I do wonder if we need someone more vocal in goal, Walton is more of a dominating figure, but hladky has been immense for us, it’s a big call to replace him.
I agree with a lot of that but not about Walton's stock rising. I've actually found it bizarre how his stock fell since Hladky came in. Hladky has had credit in the bank for sure but it's running very short.
I think it's forgotten just what a good goalkeeper Walton is to a degree. The issue is Walton can't be expected to be immediately back to top form so that's the risk. He might make an error or two himself before he's fully on form. I just think if we end up in playoffs I'd be more confident with him.
It's a tough call
Agree with you. The point I was making about Walton’s stock rising is every player appears better in the fans’ eyes when they’re out of the team. If we’re all being honest, Walton is superior to Hladky and I doubt there was anyone who could foresee the success of Hladky at the start of the season. But Vaz has been a pivotal part of our season and I don’t think he should be dropped now. He’s made a few mistakes but he kept us in the game at Leicester and, like I say, he’s got enough credit in the bank. If we go drop him and Walton comes in, there is no guarantee he won’t make mistakes.
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I remember watching him.... on 13:07 - Feb 21 with 1975 views
I do wonder if we need someone more vocal in goal, Walton is more of a dominating figure, but hladky has been immense for us, it’s a big call to replace him.
....in that Class of 92 documentary about Salford.
He barely made a noise at all.
Goalies are normally (reputedly) the main characters in the dressing room, but he really was as quiet as a mouse at that stage and really quite reserved.
I still think I'd rather have him in nets than Walton currently and I doubt my opinion will change this season.
"The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025)
While Vaz' decision was not great, it was a clear foul as Morisson elbowed him in the chest plus the ball hit Morrison on his other arm. So that goal is more farcical because of Sh*t Stroud than Vaz if we're being honest.
Came a very long way for it though. Did he need to? I say no.
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I remember watching him.... on 13:23 - Feb 21 with 1947 views
I remember watching him.... on 13:07 - Feb 21 by Bloots
....in that Class of 92 documentary about Salford.
He barely made a noise at all.
Goalies are normally (reputedly) the main characters in the dressing room, but he really was as quiet as a mouse at that stage and really quite reserved.
I still think I'd rather have him in nets than Walton currently and I doubt my opinion will change this season.
I think I’d have to agree, he’s been solid in goal for us, he suits the way we play down down to a tee, replacing him or even resting him at this point of the season would be too risky, and the wrong decision, he will probably have a corker Saturday against Birmingham. Now isn’t the time for any knee jerk reactions.
Are his saves equal or better than his mistakes. He's pulled off some super saves but has probably cost us a goal in three out of the last four or five games. But then both fullbacks have been caught out and Woolfie has been done on a one on one and failed on a header last night. Walton isn't as good passing out from the back either, although Vaz has also made a few faux pas himself.
Are his saves equal or better than his mistakes. He's pulled off some super saves but has probably cost us a goal in three out of the last four or five games. But then both fullbacks have been caught out and Woolfie has been done on a one on one and failed on a header last night. Walton isn't as good passing out from the back either, although Vaz has also made a few faux pas himself.
But you also need to put into that the number of goals we wouldn't have scored without Vas.
But you also need to put into that the number of goals we wouldn't have scored without Vas.
Including last night.
More recently he kept us in that game away at Leicester with 4 or 5 outstanding saves. And away at Swansea he pulled off a massive save from a deflected shot in the final minutes.
This is a crazy thread after one moment of madness. Just yesterday he was in most people’s top three for POTY.
All well and good until a soft goal really costs us in a big game. I'm convinced we don't lose 4-3 to Leeds with Walton in goal. It's a real conundrum isn't it? I can't ever remember a keeper before that has won more points with his feet than his hands, but that is very much the case here!
Bad choice of game. We could have conceded 10 in that game if Leeds had taken their chances whoever was in goal.
Sorry wrong game, read it wrong. Vaz only mistake was the spilled shot and put in other good saves.
All well and good until a soft goal really costs us in a big game. I'm convinced we don't lose 4-3 to Leeds with Walton in goal. It's a real conundrum isn't it? I can't ever remember a keeper before that has won more points with his feet than his hands, but that is very much the case here!
Which goals are you saying Walton would have saved?
Because he wasn't at fault for goal number one or goal number 4.
So that leaves the second at 1.07 on the video where he is indecisive?
Because Walton has never conceded a goal by being indecisive.
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And the third at 1.21 where he spills the save and Leeds score with the follow up?
Because Walton has never conceded a goal by spilling a shot.
Oh! 1.30
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And those calling for Walton based on Haldky's dreadful attempt at a punch last night which cost us a goal.
Which goals are you saying Walton would have saved?
Because he wasn't at fault for goal number one or goal number 4.
So that leaves the second at 1.07 on the video where he is indecisive?
Because Walton has never conceded a goal by being indecisive.
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And the third at 1.21 where he spills the save and Leeds score with the follow up?
Because Walton has never conceded a goal by spilling a shot.
Oh! 1.30
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And those calling for Walton based on Haldky's dreadful attempt at a punch last night which cost us a goal.
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The third goal is terrible goalkeeping. The second I also think Walton probably does better with. I never said Walton hadn't made mistakes. I'm not sure why it's controversial to say Walton is a better keeper than Hladky in all facets other than playing out. That's my opinion, you have yours, fair enough. No need to be passive aggressive about it!
The third goal is terrible goalkeeping. The second I also think Walton probably does better with. I never said Walton hadn't made mistakes. I'm not sure why it's controversial to say Walton is a better keeper than Hladky in all facets other than playing out. That's my opinion, you have yours, fair enough. No need to be passive aggressive about it!
You said that you are convinced we wouldn't have lost 4-3 against Leeds with Walton in goal. How can you be convinced when I have shown you clips of Walton conceding the exact same type of goals as Vas did against Leeds. There is nothing passive aggressive about that.
The third goal is terrible goalkeeping. The second I also think Walton probably does better with. I never said Walton hadn't made mistakes. I'm not sure why it's controversial to say Walton is a better keeper than Hladky in all facets other than playing out. That's my opinion, you have yours, fair enough. No need to be passive aggressive about it!
But you are not taking into account that Hladky has come on with a full run of games while Walton has gone the other because he has not played. You are of course entitled to your wrong opinion ( no smilie for fear of being seen as passive agressive ).
You said that you are convinced we wouldn't have lost 4-3 against Leeds with Walton in goal. How can you be convinced when I have shown you clips of Walton conceding the exact same type of goals as Vas did against Leeds. There is nothing passive aggressive about that.
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I am. You may not be be. Fair enough. It's a difference of opinion.
You said that you are convinced we wouldn't have lost 4-3 against Leeds with Walton in goal. How can you be convinced when I have shown you clips of Walton conceding the exact same type of goals as Vas did against Leeds. There is nothing passive aggressive about that.
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In fairness, it's possible to believe in someone to the extent that you're convinced they wouldn't repeat the mistakes they've made before. I genuinely trust Hladky slightly more with his gloves in addition to rating him higher with his feet, but he's been shaky with his gloves of late. He's less dominant in his box but I also believe this had led to less communication errors this season, as he's been much more predictable prior to the howler yesterday. I remember plenty of mishaps and arguments last season with GK and defender unsure of each other's movements. I'd like a more dominant keeper than Hladky and a more successfully dominant keeper than Walton, personally, but maybe that's asking too much at our level.
I remember Walton arriving with lots of excitement; posters talking of how we'd signed a player who should be operating one level above us at least; pretty sure some said he was a PL GK in L1. Alas I missed the season in which I assume he cemented his standing among the fanbase, which leaves me with 22/23 and a couple of cup games on which to base my opinion. Perhaps if I saw him in 21/22 I'd be differently minded.
Walton's younger, longer contract, FFP to be mindful of and I want all our players to be great, so I've got my fingers crossed he knocks it out the park for us next season. As it stands I'd be focusing a keen eye on the summer transfer market, though, especially if Hladky moves elsewhere. Just my naff opinion.
In fairness, it's possible to believe in someone to the extent that you're convinced they wouldn't repeat the mistakes they've made before. I genuinely trust Hladky slightly more with his gloves in addition to rating him higher with his feet, but he's been shaky with his gloves of late. He's less dominant in his box but I also believe this had led to less communication errors this season, as he's been much more predictable prior to the howler yesterday. I remember plenty of mishaps and arguments last season with GK and defender unsure of each other's movements. I'd like a more dominant keeper than Hladky and a more successfully dominant keeper than Walton, personally, but maybe that's asking too much at our level.
I remember Walton arriving with lots of excitement; posters talking of how we'd signed a player who should be operating one level above us at least; pretty sure some said he was a PL GK in L1. Alas I missed the season in which I assume he cemented his standing among the fanbase, which leaves me with 22/23 and a couple of cup games on which to base my opinion. Perhaps if I saw him in 21/22 I'd be differently minded.
Walton's younger, longer contract, FFP to be mindful of and I want all our players to be great, so I've got my fingers crossed he knocks it out the park for us next season. As it stands I'd be focusing a keen eye on the summer transfer market, though, especially if Hladky moves elsewhere. Just my naff opinion.
We have already at our disposal, one of the best young keepers in the world. He didn’t come cheap, and is our biggest signing of the gamechanger era to date. Potential £3m. And is itching to start for ITFC.
We have already at our disposal, one of the best young keepers in the world. He didn’t come cheap, and is our biggest signing of the gamechanger era to date. Potential £3m. And is itching to start for ITFC.
He's had a very good season, and his passing makes us the team that we are with how we play out.
I wouldn't even countenance dropping him, he's made very few errors this season, he's still rated right up the top of the league in the 'goals prevented' stat and that doesn't take into account his footwork
As an example - Gavin Bazunu at Southampton is great with his feet, as is the Leicester keeper Hermansson - Goals prevented stat (i.e. shot stopping) has it as
Hladky has regressed a bit in this stat over recent weeks, but ultimately I'm sure every Ipswich fan would agree that he is one of the best keepers in the league with his feet....and his shot stopping is above average in the league.
Obviously hard to judge control of box, cross collection etc, but as a team we are ranked 11th for xG conceded (8.34) from Set Pieces and joint 3rd for actual goals conceded (6) so we are doing absolutely fine in those regards.
Whenever Walton has played this season he has looked rusty, plus he is nowhere enar as good with his feet as Vas.....so the only alternative we have to Vas now is to cut back on how we play out from the back with CW and give him 4-5 games to get up to speed......it's simply not an option
He's had a very good season, and his passing makes us the team that we are with how we play out.
I wouldn't even countenance dropping him, he's made very few errors this season, he's still rated right up the top of the league in the 'goals prevented' stat and that doesn't take into account his footwork
As an example - Gavin Bazunu at Southampton is great with his feet, as is the Leicester keeper Hermansson - Goals prevented stat (i.e. shot stopping) has it as
Hladky has regressed a bit in this stat over recent weeks, but ultimately I'm sure every Ipswich fan would agree that he is one of the best keepers in the league with his feet....and his shot stopping is above average in the league.
Obviously hard to judge control of box, cross collection etc, but as a team we are ranked 11th for xG conceded (8.34) from Set Pieces and joint 3rd for actual goals conceded (6) so we are doing absolutely fine in those regards.
Whenever Walton has played this season he has looked rusty, plus he is nowhere enar as good with his feet as Vas.....so the only alternative we have to Vas now is to cut back on how we play out from the back with CW and give him 4-5 games to get up to speed......it's simply not an option
Thanks, very insightful.
I think what's concerning is not the fact his prevented goals, or whatever metric you chose to use, has come off but the pace of change.
Since the goal at home to Leicester, which I personally feel he should have saved, there's been another 4/5 he should have done better with in such a short space of time. And that's not even mentioning the Sunderland sitter they missed or the back pass debacle at Preston.
Whatever way you slice it, there is a very rapid and alarming drop off in form here in a very short space of time.
And I'd countenance your post with two points:
1) CW isn't nearly as bad with the ball at his feet as people make out. 2) Around this time last year we began to go a bit more direct once Hirst was up to speed - could we see something similar now that negates some of CWs shortcomings with his feet?
I think on balance you're probably right and doubtless he has a lot of credit in the bank, but going into games now, knowing our GK could chuck one in out of nowhere (see Rotherham's second goal), isn't ideal either.
He's had a very good season, and his passing makes us the team that we are with how we play out.
I wouldn't even countenance dropping him, he's made very few errors this season, he's still rated right up the top of the league in the 'goals prevented' stat and that doesn't take into account his footwork
As an example - Gavin Bazunu at Southampton is great with his feet, as is the Leicester keeper Hermansson - Goals prevented stat (i.e. shot stopping) has it as
Hladky has regressed a bit in this stat over recent weeks, but ultimately I'm sure every Ipswich fan would agree that he is one of the best keepers in the league with his feet....and his shot stopping is above average in the league.
Obviously hard to judge control of box, cross collection etc, but as a team we are ranked 11th for xG conceded (8.34) from Set Pieces and joint 3rd for actual goals conceded (6) so we are doing absolutely fine in those regards.
Whenever Walton has played this season he has looked rusty, plus he is nowhere enar as good with his feet as Vas.....so the only alternative we have to Vas now is to cut back on how we play out from the back with CW and give him 4-5 games to get up to speed......it's simply not an option
I don’t buy the question marks over Walton’s footwork tbh. We played fundamental the same style of football last season in which he was ever present.
I agree that it wouldn’t be right to drop him. Walton has barely played and will take time to get up to speed, time which we don’t have at such a crucial point of the season. Walton for my money is the better keeper but I wouldn’t expect to see him starting until next season
I don’t buy the question marks over Walton’s footwork tbh. We played fundamental the same style of football last season in which he was ever present.
I agree that it wouldn’t be right to drop him. Walton has barely played and will take time to get up to speed, time which we don’t have at such a crucial point of the season. Walton for my money is the better keeper but I wouldn’t expect to see him starting until next season
I don't remember anyone adopting a high press against us in L1, tbh. Must have happened once, Plymouth maybe, but can't recall. Demands placed on us by opponents are drastically different this season, which accounts for the question marks I think. Walton is tidy enough for your average Championship side that doesn't want to invite danger and beat the press like we do.
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