| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm 16:52 - Mar 1 with 10773 views | Pinewoodblue |
Wonder what he is up to……General Election anyone? |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:05 - Mar 1 with 3338 views | Keno |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 18:18 - Mar 1 by Bluespeed225 |
They could do the Cup draw like this, outside No.10, bring back the velvet back, bit of politics that doesn't change anything, then the 2 leaders pull out the balls. |
" then the 2 leaders pull out the balls"
isnt that last night at the Tory party conference? |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:19 - Mar 1 with 3291 views | Zx1988 |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 18:50 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
He just has Very Real Concerns. |
And all worded in such a way, with no real definition of what constitutes an 'extremist' so as to embolden all of the Lee Andersons of this world. |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:27 - Mar 1 with 3264 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:19 - Mar 1 by Zx1988 |
And all worded in such a way, with no real definition of what constitutes an 'extremist' so as to embolden all of the Lee Andersons of this world. |
Basically an emergency announcement to back up the ideas set out by Anderson and increase tensions and the divisions and culture wars.
Sickening and dangerous. | | | |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:32 - Mar 1 with 3241 views | peterleeblue |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:00 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
He'd look a lot more convincingly concerned about extremists if he hadn't been part of a government that's been happily and increasingly openly stoking this kind of hatred for nearly 15 years now.
And hadn't had to suspend a number of ministers for inflammatory comments.
Or failed to suspend any number of other ones openly spouting far right conspiracy b0ll0cks
Or made a transphobic jibe in front of the parents of a murdered trans kid.
In the past few weeks alone. [Post edited 2 Mar 2024 9:15]
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Through risk of creating a social media trail that I should not be proud of this government are the absolute lowest of the low. Seriously horrible disgusting people that I wish would simply snake of and suck on the teet of non exec board roles they ll have for themselves or whatever parasitic model they have fashioned during the last 14 years and allow dull unfashionable policies to start rewarding hard work and ensure the majority of us can access free health care in a timely manner.
I actually hate what this country has become. Please can someone allow me to love it once again. |  | | |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:35 - Mar 1 with 3218 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:00 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
He'd look a lot more convincingly concerned about extremists if he hadn't been part of a government that's been happily and increasingly openly stoking this kind of hatred for nearly 15 years now.
And hadn't had to suspend a number of ministers for inflammatory comments.
Or failed to suspend any number of other ones openly spouting far right conspiracy b0ll0cks
Or made a transphobic jibe in front of the parents of a murdered trans kid.
In the past few weeks alone. [Post edited 2 Mar 2024 9:15]
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That's not what I was addressing. The poster claimed it was made up nonsense that Jewish children are afraid to wear their school uniform since 7/10. To say that clearly dismisses the fears of the British Jewish community. |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 20:22 - Mar 1 with 3130 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:19 - Mar 1 by Zx1988 |
And all worded in such a way, with no real definition of what constitutes an 'extremist' so as to embolden all of the Lee Andersons of this world. |
That seems to be the crux of it. Plus trying to appear to be in control when they’re clearly not. Useless doesn’t even begin to cover it. |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 20:29 - Mar 1 with 3113 views | Whos_blue |
Are we allowed to call this out as vacuous tosh yet.
I'm just not buying this from Sunak.
Have I missed something? I try to keep on top of things, but I just don't recognise his rhetoric today.
Am I missing something? |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 20:30 - Mar 1 with 3110 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 17:37 - Mar 1 by NthQldITFC |
If it's really about protecting democracy, then he is calling a GE, surely! |
If it were about protecting democracy he would be announcing a bill to enact proportional representation with a 3-line whip. |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 20:34 - Mar 1 with 3090 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 19:35 - Mar 1 by GlasgowBlue |
That's not what I was addressing. The poster claimed it was made up nonsense that Jewish children are afraid to wear their school uniform since 7/10. To say that clearly dismisses the fears of the British Jewish community. |
Fair to say you've done your bit to ratchet up the fear of extremists narrative over the last few years. Are children going to school out of uniform? All I can find on line are news stories in the immediate aftermath of the attacks based on perceived risk rather than anything that had actually happened. |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 21:20 - Mar 1 with 3038 views | DJR |
Rather bizarre to hold this on a Friday night, Friday itself being normally a quiet day when it comes to politics and with people distracted by the weekend.
These from the Guardian are interesting takes.
It’s notable that, when speaking in very general terms, Sunak explicitly calls out both “Islamists” and the “far-right” as extremist threats to the UK – indicating he perhaps wants to calm tensions across the board.
But, when he picks out specific examples of behaviour he feels are unacceptable, he focuses solely* on pro-Palestine demonstrations. He said:
"I respect that the police have a tough job in policing the protests we have seen and that they are operationally independent. But we must draw a line.
Yes, you can march and protest with passion. You can demand the protection of civilian life. But no, you cannot call for violent jihad. There is no context in which it can be acceptable to beam antisemitic tropes on to Big Ben in the middle of a vote on Israel, Gaza. And there can be no cause that you can use to justify the support of a proscribed terrorist group like Hamas.
And yes, you can freely criticise the actions of this government – or, indeed, any government – that is a fundamental democratic right. But no, you cannot use that as an excuse to call for the eradication of a state or any kind of hatred, or antisemitism.
This week, I’ve met with senior police officers and made clear it is the public’s expectation that they will not merely manage these protests, but police them. I say this to the police. We will back you when you take action."
The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, appeared to back the prime minister’s message calling for unity in the country.
He said: “The prime minister is right to advocate unity and to condemn the unacceptable and intimidatory behaviour that we have seen recently.
“It is an important task of leadership to defend our values and the common bonds that hold us together.
“Citizens have a right to go about their business without intimidation and elected representatives should be able to do their jobs and cast their votes without fear or favour.
“This is something agreed across the parties and which we should all defend.”
*solely isn't strictly correct because as GB highlights there is a reference to Muslim women attacked in the street but that seems the only such example. [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 21:32]
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 21:25 - Mar 1 with 3008 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 21:20 - Mar 1 by DJR |
Rather bizarre to hold this on a Friday night, Friday itself being normally a quiet day when it comes to politics and with people distracted by the weekend.
These from the Guardian are interesting takes.
It’s notable that, when speaking in very general terms, Sunak explicitly calls out both “Islamists” and the “far-right” as extremist threats to the UK – indicating he perhaps wants to calm tensions across the board.
But, when he picks out specific examples of behaviour he feels are unacceptable, he focuses solely* on pro-Palestine demonstrations. He said:
"I respect that the police have a tough job in policing the protests we have seen and that they are operationally independent. But we must draw a line.
Yes, you can march and protest with passion. You can demand the protection of civilian life. But no, you cannot call for violent jihad. There is no context in which it can be acceptable to beam antisemitic tropes on to Big Ben in the middle of a vote on Israel, Gaza. And there can be no cause that you can use to justify the support of a proscribed terrorist group like Hamas.
And yes, you can freely criticise the actions of this government – or, indeed, any government – that is a fundamental democratic right. But no, you cannot use that as an excuse to call for the eradication of a state or any kind of hatred, or antisemitism.
This week, I’ve met with senior police officers and made clear it is the public’s expectation that they will not merely manage these protests, but police them. I say this to the police. We will back you when you take action."
The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, appeared to back the prime minister’s message calling for unity in the country.
He said: “The prime minister is right to advocate unity and to condemn the unacceptable and intimidatory behaviour that we have seen recently.
“It is an important task of leadership to defend our values and the common bonds that hold us together.
“Citizens have a right to go about their business without intimidation and elected representatives should be able to do their jobs and cast their votes without fear or favour.
“This is something agreed across the parties and which we should all defend.”
*solely isn't strictly correct because as GB highlights there is a reference to Muslim women attacked in the street but that seems the only such example. [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 21:32]
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Makes you wonder if something is going to break in the press over the weekend. | |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 21:37 - Mar 1 with 2985 views | bournemouthblue |
The idea this current Tory Party are defenders against racism whatever side it is directed at given the dog whistle strategy they have been perpetuating for quite some time is pathetic, they have been stoking tensions deliberately and it's clearly a strategy
They've upped the rhetoric under Rishi to try and soften the blow of what looks like a heavy election defeat
No doubt he'll swan off into the sunset and some even scarier characters will emerge in the next leadership battle
The fact Nigel Farage was welcomed at their last conference, must be the final straw for the more moderate Tories, many who were ousted for Brexit reasons, let's be honest |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 21:58 - Mar 1 with 2937 views | BlueBoots |
Day Of Action For Palestine will be targeting branches of Barclays Bank around the country tomorrow.
Maybe it's a coincidence that Sunak announced “This week, I’ve met with senior police officers and made clear it is the public’s expectation that they will not merely manage these protests, but police them. I say this to the police: we will back you when you take action.” the day before protestors focus their anger on a financial institution; I'll be curious to see whether the policing of these protests will be any different to those held in previous weeks. |  |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 22:18 - Mar 1 with 2882 views | WicklowBlue |
From across the Irish sea, could someone please distill the reasoning behind Sunak deciding to do this on at Friday at 6pm?
From the media over here they summed it up as speaking out against the far right and extremism being a threat to democracy.
Is Sunak saying that the far right is whipping up emotions on both sides of the Israel/Hamas situation? Or that protests on both sides are becoming more and more radical threatening civil unrest? (Haven't heard of such..)
Or is this related to the Rochdale result? To which I believe both Labour and Tories had candidates that shouldn't be anywhere near the ballot.
Indeed is Sunak trying to claim the democratic high ground to try and rescue the Tory vote?
Honestly not trying to start arguments on here or get myself dissected. Just trying to understand what the hell is going on over in the UK?? (Glib amusing answers are ok, deeper insightful responses appreciated  ) |  | | |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 22:18 - Mar 1 with 2878 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
It is amazing how long the "vote Tory so we can sort out the mess this country is" works, though. | |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 22:24 - Mar 1 with 2858 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 22:18 - Mar 1 by WicklowBlue |
From across the Irish sea, could someone please distill the reasoning behind Sunak deciding to do this on at Friday at 6pm?
From the media over here they summed it up as speaking out against the far right and extremism being a threat to democracy.
Is Sunak saying that the far right is whipping up emotions on both sides of the Israel/Hamas situation? Or that protests on both sides are becoming more and more radical threatening civil unrest? (Haven't heard of such..)
Or is this related to the Rochdale result? To which I believe both Labour and Tories had candidates that shouldn't be anywhere near the ballot.
Indeed is Sunak trying to claim the democratic high ground to try and rescue the Tory vote?
Honestly not trying to start arguments on here or get myself dissected. Just trying to understand what the hell is going on over in the UK?? (Glib amusing answers are ok, deeper insightful responses appreciated ) |
I think its entiely political.
Its about saying to the people who like and agree with 30p lee- "yeah, you are basically right. These people have gone too far and we are going to stand up to them"
Its about othering people who protest and giving succour and comfort to those who want to blame wokery and brown people for everything. | | | |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 22:27 - Mar 1 with 2841 views | redrickstuhaart |
He is spot on. The emergency is of Rishi's own making. And telling people "thats enough protesting, youve made your point...and you are wrong" is simply pathetic. | | | |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 23:08 - Mar 1 with 2781 views | Zx1988 |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 21:58 - Mar 1 by BlueBoots |
Day Of Action For Palestine will be targeting branches of Barclays Bank around the country tomorrow.
Maybe it's a coincidence that Sunak announced “This week, I’ve met with senior police officers and made clear it is the public’s expectation that they will not merely manage these protests, but police them. I say this to the police: we will back you when you take action.” the day before protestors focus their anger on a financial institution; I'll be curious to see whether the policing of these protests will be any different to those held in previous weeks. |
I picked that out as well.
I fully expect to see a new phase of 'robust' policing tomorrow, now that Rishi has essentially given the Met carte blanche to do what they like in order to quell the protests. | |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 23:42 - Mar 1 with 2722 views | bournemouthblue |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 22:24 - Mar 1 by redrickstuhaart |
I think its entiely political.
Its about saying to the people who like and agree with 30p lee- "yeah, you are basically right. These people have gone too far and we are going to stand up to them"
Its about othering people who protest and giving succour and comfort to those who want to blame wokery and brown people for everything. |
I'm genuinely blown away that the Tories are trying to take the moral high ground here
Labour may have had their problems under Corbyn but it's literally Tory policy to dog whistle for votes, it's been known quite a while that their advisors have been implementing this strategy
The biggest crime of the Corbyn years, was it enabled this hard right Tory Party to flourish, actively following the Trump model, looking to perpetuate weird cultish conspiracy theories to try and nip the UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform types from breaking away from their party | |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 06:33 - Mar 2 with 2619 views | TMWWNGAS |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 17:00 - Mar 1 by Zx1988 |
So, no doubt, the Tories' latest attempt at doing anything other than 'protecting democracy' [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 17:03]
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The irony of protecting democracy from a PM who wasn't voted for by the electorate | | | |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 08:25 - Mar 2 with 2549 views | BlueBoots |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 23:08 - Mar 1 by Zx1988 |
I picked that out as well.
I fully expect to see a new phase of 'robust' policing tomorrow, now that Rishi has essentially given the Met carte blanche to do what they like in order to quell the protests. |
https://palestinecampaign.org/events/day-of-action-for-palestine-stop-arming-isr
Not just the Met, which may be an issue. Could be any number of reasons why that particular topic was raised, but you'd think must be something making the government nervous to make a speech like that on a Friday evening. Might be intelligence about possible counter protests which will make policing more difficult, and preempting any police action that might be perceived as heavy-handed. Could be the fact that these aren't going to be marches down a street, but targeting a business that paid £1.4bn in taxes last year might also be an issue; I would be very surprised if Barclays haven't approached the government to request some kind of protection today. | |
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 08:48 - Mar 2 with 2520 views | DJR |
Interesting article in the Guardian about so-called no-go zones.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/02/how-no-go-zone-myth-spread-from-fr
This passage is illuminating and suggests the right-wing extremists Sunak also condemned are members of his own party, as well as Paul Scully his own MP.
Joe Mulhall, the director of research at the anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, said that over the past two decades the no-go zone myth – often associated with fears that these places were governed by sharia law – had gradually spread from niche extreme and populist rightwing spaces, including the Norwegian white nationalist Anders Breivik’s manifesto, US conservative thinktanks and Fox News, into mainstream Conservative politics.
A survey of Tory party members, published by Hope Not Hate this week, found that 52% believed parts of European cities were under sharia law and were no-go areas for non-Muslims. While sharia councils do operate in the UK, they predominantly deal with Islamic divorces, arbitration and mediation, and their rulings have no legal standing. [Post edited 2 Mar 2024 8:50]
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| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 09:25 - Mar 2 with 2465 views | eireblue |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 22:18 - Mar 1 by WicklowBlue |
From across the Irish sea, could someone please distill the reasoning behind Sunak deciding to do this on at Friday at 6pm?
From the media over here they summed it up as speaking out against the far right and extremism being a threat to democracy.
Is Sunak saying that the far right is whipping up emotions on both sides of the Israel/Hamas situation? Or that protests on both sides are becoming more and more radical threatening civil unrest? (Haven't heard of such..)
Or is this related to the Rochdale result? To which I believe both Labour and Tories had candidates that shouldn't be anywhere near the ballot.
Indeed is Sunak trying to claim the democratic high ground to try and rescue the Tory vote?
Honestly not trying to start arguments on here or get myself dissected. Just trying to understand what the hell is going on over in the UK?? (Glib amusing answers are ok, deeper insightful responses appreciated ) |
Rishi wanted to try and appear statesman like.
He failed. But George Galloway appreciated the bump in publicity. |  | | |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 09:40 - Mar 2 with 2438 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Sunak Downing Street statement 5.40pm on 09:25 - Mar 2 by eireblue |
Rishi wanted to try and appear statesman like.
He failed. But George Galloway appreciated the bump in publicity. |
It was a kind of reverse virtue signalling.
There was no actual substantive announcement at all, though the whole speech sounded like the lead up to some sort of action or decision before petering out.
It was letting people know that its okay to say that protesters need to be dealt with. Which can be seen both ways depending on who is listening. I agree that protests need to be safe, and people who cause aggression and disruption should be dealt with. Other people hearing this will take the view (as Sunak fully intended) that Gaza related protests are a specific unique and new problem, unlike any we have had previously, which need extra action. Which is nonsensical and racist.
The river to the sea thing is interesting. Will he be expelling Israeli diplomats given that their nation's expressed stance is precisely the same; ie that there should be no palestinian state and they should control land from river to sea? | | | |
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