| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… 17:56 - Mar 21 with 14728 views | ITFC_Forever |
But has anyone said why the flag has been changed? Or are they creating something to moan about (ie; that it’s woke nonsense)?
Personally don’t see why they’ve done it, and I won’t be buying it - not as some kind of anti-woke protest, but because at £125 or £85, it’s a massive rip-off. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 15:15 - Mar 22 with 1816 views | redrickstuhaart |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 15:00 - Mar 22 by noggin |
Is it? I never knew that |
It references lee anderson types getting pink in the face raging against some perceived insult or imagined wokery. |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 15:17 - Mar 22 with 1798 views | NedPlimpton |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:30 - Mar 22 by jayessess |
IMO If we're talking national symbolism most of the change has gone the other way over the past 40-50 years ago, towards more hyper-sensitivity around people's sense of national pride, not less.
Take Remembrance Sunday, for instance. Go back to the 1990s and there's no "official remembrance fixture" for the football, no poppies sewn into shirts, no expectation that everyone wear a poppy on every live TV programme or every public event, no questions directed towards those not wearing them or wearing white ones. It was a question of people quietly remembering in the manner they deemed appropriate and a discrete event on the Sunday. That's all a post-2000 invention and the sensitivities around it have dialled up not down.
You could do similar for other bits of national symbolism (the England flag itself! Had next to zero presence at England games until Euro '96).
I see people display national flags in their gardens now, which for much of the 20th Century would have been considered a bit of a gauche Americanisation (whose benefit are you displaying it for? Everyone who sees it already knows they're in England and most of them are English).
That's before we get into people's willingness to take offence on behalf of the monarchy (who are more than capable of looking after themselves).
Personally, I think countries that are at ease with themselves shouldn't need to spend quite so much time fretting over whether anyone is disrespecting their national symbols or sense of national identity. It is a sign of strength, comfort and security to just shrug it off. [Post edited 22 Mar 2024 10:31]
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Exactly this. The fearmongering attached to anything that is seen as even slightly anti-patriotic has caused a massive retaliation and over reaction and as a result the flag, poppy etc are more visible now than I can ever remember
And that's not before we mention how social media has become a cesspit of posts that start with "if my flag/poppy offends you..."
There are plenty of examples of GB/England flags that have been 'played' with in sport over the years. But the furore has never been as big as it is now! |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 15:56 - Mar 22 with 1719 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:30 - Mar 22 by jayessess |
IMO If we're talking national symbolism most of the change has gone the other way over the past 40-50 years ago, towards more hyper-sensitivity around people's sense of national pride, not less.
Take Remembrance Sunday, for instance. Go back to the 1990s and there's no "official remembrance fixture" for the football, no poppies sewn into shirts, no expectation that everyone wear a poppy on every live TV programme or every public event, no questions directed towards those not wearing them or wearing white ones. It was a question of people quietly remembering in the manner they deemed appropriate and a discrete event on the Sunday. That's all a post-2000 invention and the sensitivities around it have dialled up not down.
You could do similar for other bits of national symbolism (the England flag itself! Had next to zero presence at England games until Euro '96).
I see people display national flags in their gardens now, which for much of the 20th Century would have been considered a bit of a gauche Americanisation (whose benefit are you displaying it for? Everyone who sees it already knows they're in England and most of them are English).
That's before we get into people's willingness to take offence on behalf of the monarchy (who are more than capable of looking after themselves).
Personally, I think countries that are at ease with themselves shouldn't need to spend quite so much time fretting over whether anyone is disrespecting their national symbols or sense of national identity. It is a sign of strength, comfort and security to just shrug it off. [Post edited 22 Mar 2024 10:31]
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Indeed. POTD. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 16:00 - Mar 22 with 1703 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 15:17 - Mar 22 by NedPlimpton |
Exactly this. The fearmongering attached to anything that is seen as even slightly anti-patriotic has caused a massive retaliation and over reaction and as a result the flag, poppy etc are more visible now than I can ever remember
And that's not before we mention how social media has become a cesspit of posts that start with "if my flag/poppy offends you..."
There are plenty of examples of GB/England flags that have been 'played' with in sport over the years. But the furore has never been as big as it is now! |
My grandfather would have been ashamed of the way the poppy has become a sign of xenophobic nationalism. | |
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| Tory snowflakes. (n/t) on 16:09 - Mar 22 with 1666 views | Leaky |
| Tory snowflakes. (n/t) on 22:23 - Mar 21 by Bloots |
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Perhaps some on here see him as a gammon, not that know what gammon means. |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 16:13 - Mar 22 with 1639 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 15:15 - Mar 22 by redrickstuhaart |
It references lee anderson types getting pink in the face raging against some perceived insult or imagined wokery. |
Thank you. Bloots didn't like me not knowing that. Strange. | |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 16:30 - Mar 22 with 1615 views | soupytwist |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 12:36 - Mar 22 by bluejacko |
Obviously as this is the England flag that’s being messed about with for a bit of ‘fun’ some don’t care! However can you imagine them messing about with the US,,Scottish of welsh flag for example
and can you see their FA etc signing it off? |
Yes, I can imagine the kit manufacturer for Scotland or Wales at least doing that. And I can imagine the respective FAs signing it off.
I bet what prevents it happening is that both are relatively small countries football-wise compared to England and they have to make do with templates from the Adidas range.
What is it with this whole "you wouldn't get country X being expected to accept that" like we're some uniquely victimised country? |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 16:45 - Mar 22 with 1583 views | bluelagos |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 12:36 - Mar 22 by bluejacko |
Obviously as this is the England flag that’s being messed about with for a bit of ‘fun’ some don’t care! However can you imagine them messing about with the US,,Scottish of welsh flag for example
and can you see their FA etc signing it off? |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 17:28 - Mar 22 with 1539 views | bournemouthblue |
That will confuse the anti-wokers |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 17:38 - Mar 22 with 1525 views | fallyblue |
I got the home and away shirts in Kuala Lumpur last week for £6 each, good copies, bloody bargain | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 18:13 - Mar 22 with 1500 views | peterleeblue |
I'm glad i don't have young children bellyaching for the new England Shirt.
Any 25+ adult buying such apparel need never complain about the cost of living crisis again. |  | | |
| How did you get on?….mine was a little disappointing as it happens. Surprised to on 20:31 - Mar 22 with 1454 views | Bigalhunter |
| Yeah, I know what you mean.... on 21:26 - Mar 21 by Bloots |
....I had a bingo card of all the posters who'd be saying how insignificant it was and how great they were for not caring about it.
Funny old place this.
Innit. |
see it missing a few nailed on suspects who were obviously too busy ranting on radio 5, or guarding some very important statues.
Funny old place, indeed
Isn’t it? [Post edited 22 Mar 2024 21:09]
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| Yeah, I know what you mean.... on 00:22 - Mar 23 with 1394 views | Bigalhunter |
| Yeah, I know what you mean.... on 08:16 - Mar 22 by bazza |
You notice the ones who it has upset could fill all the stadiums for any sports across the country.. and the ones who “like it”, wouldn’t win you any line. |
Imagine how angry some of them would be if they knew that:
We wore a yellow away shirt in the 70’s and no one cried.
England fans haven’t always hung a bed sheet with a red cross on it out of their bedroom window during tournaments.
England fans haven’t always kicked off because something wasn’t the right colour on their replica shirt they wore to throw beer over each other in some fan park in the hope of two seconds of fame at the end of news at ten.
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 07:59 - Mar 23 with 1298 views | Whos_blue |
Whilst I've found this to be a bit of a non story and haven't really been inspired to get involved thus far, for what it's worth I think Southgate gets this right.
BBC News - Gareth Southgate: England boss says Three Lions most important thing on England shirt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68639748 |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 08:56 - Mar 23 with 1261 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 07:59 - Mar 23 by Whos_blue |
Whilst I've found this to be a bit of a non story and haven't really been inspired to get involved thus far, for what it's worth I think Southgate gets this right.
BBC News - Gareth Southgate: England boss says Three Lions most important thing on England shirt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68639748 |
Southgate should worry less about what's on the shirt and a little more about those he selects to wear it. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 09:02 - Mar 23 with 1248 views | Mullet |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 07:59 - Mar 23 by Whos_blue |
Whilst I've found this to be a bit of a non story and haven't really been inspired to get involved thus far, for what it's worth I think Southgate gets this right.
BBC News - Gareth Southgate: England boss says Three Lions most important thing on England shirt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68639748 |
They're leopards! |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:06 - Mar 23 with 1194 views | leitrimblue |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 09:02 - Mar 23 by Mullet |
They're leopards! |
There definitely 3 lions, there's a song about um and everything. |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:20 - Mar 23 with 1164 views | bluejacko |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 16:30 - Mar 22 by soupytwist |
Yes, I can imagine the kit manufacturer for Scotland or Wales at least doing that. And I can imagine the respective FAs signing it off.
I bet what prevents it happening is that both are relatively small countries football-wise compared to England and they have to make do with templates from the Adidas range.
What is it with this whole "you wouldn't get country X being expected to accept that" like we're some uniquely victimised country? |
Obviously there are lots of things that you have opinions on, that I don’t care about!
I do though, have an opinion that our country’s flag should not be ‘playfully’ messed about with for no good reason! What does that make me then? Let me guess, a raging right wing fascist? | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:36 - Mar 23 with 1143 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:20 - Mar 23 by bluejacko |
Obviously there are lots of things that you have opinions on, that I don’t care about!
I do though, have an opinion that our country’s flag should not be ‘playfully’ messed about with for no good reason! What does that make me then? Let me guess, a raging right wing fascist? |
How do you feel about the country's flag being messed about like this? Or are these good reasons?
And if they are good are these bad?
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:23 - Mar 23 with 1101 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:06 - Mar 23 by leitrimblue |
There definitely 3 lions, there's a song about um and everything. |
I fought the song was abaat vindaloo. | |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:44 - Mar 23 with 1070 views | leitrimblue |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:23 - Mar 23 by noggin |
I fought the song was abaat vindaloo. |
3 naans on a shirt? | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 12:22 - Mar 23 with 1045 views | redrickstuhaart |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:20 - Mar 23 by bluejacko |
Obviously there are lots of things that you have opinions on, that I don’t care about!
I do though, have an opinion that our country’s flag should not be ‘playfully’ messed about with for no good reason! What does that make me then? Let me guess, a raging right wing fascist? |
Why shouldn't it?
What harm does it do? Be specific. And avoid sounding like Lee Anderson. | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:43 - Mar 23 with 1009 views | HairBearBunch |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 16:00 - Mar 22 by noggin |
My grandfather would have been ashamed of the way the poppy has become a sign of xenophobic nationalism. |
What ? So by wearing a poppy for all the good reasons, I'm now xenophobic am I ? |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 14:01 - Mar 23 with 983 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:43 - Mar 23 by HairBearBunch |
What ? So by wearing a poppy for all the good reasons, I'm now xenophobic am I ? |
Depends why you're wearing it, doesn't it? Many xenophobes use both the poppy and the England flag as a symbol of nationalism because they believe Britain is being invaded. [Post edited 23 Mar 2024 14:03]
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 14:03 - Mar 23 with 976 views | NedPlimpton |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:43 - Mar 23 by HairBearBunch |
What ? So by wearing a poppy for all the good reasons, I'm now xenophobic am I ? |
That is quite some take you've arived at | | | |
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