| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… 17:56 - Mar 21 with 14740 views | ITFC_Forever |
But has anyone said why the flag has been changed? Or are they creating something to moan about (ie; that it’s woke nonsense)?
Personally don’t see why they’ve done it, and I won’t be buying it - not as some kind of anti-woke protest, but because at £125 or £85, it’s a massive rip-off. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:10 - Mar 22 with 1758 views | mutters |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 09:29 - Mar 22 by J2BLUE |
Starmer is playing his role perfectly. I'm sure he couldn't care less but it helps win over a certain section of society. |
Oooh you old cynic you 😜 |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:10 - Mar 22 with 1758 views | Swansea_Blue |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 08:34 - Mar 22 by BuffaloBill |
It was an example, like removing Christmas nativity plays, an example, people laugh it off as "gammons" but reality is it's the all things that lead to subtle changes.
As example some fish and chip shop not being able to incorporate a union jack in some logo outside, like changing place names because "they offend" like all the virtual signalling that happens every day, week on week. The Joey Barton's of this world hold extreme views, lots and lots of sensible people see where little things like this gesture as another shift.
I couldn't care less to be honest, havent bought a replice shirt since I became an adult, but each to their own. |
As TFS says, none of these things are true. The chippy example was because:
“"The advert has been painted, without any permission, in a conservation area, close to a World Heritage Site,” said a spokesperson for the Royal Borough of Greenwich. “The Council is acting according to Government planning laws, as it would with any unauthorised advert.”
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/fish-chip-shop-not-told-remove-mural-because-
This gets so tiring. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:12 - Mar 22 with 1751 views | brazil1982 |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 07:45 - Mar 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where has "Happy Christmas" been removed from cards? |
Well, I was in my local post office yesterday and could not see even one card with "Happy Christmas" on it. Disgraceful. |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:18 - Mar 22 with 1684 views | GlasgowBlue |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:12 - Mar 22 by brazil1982 |
Well, I was in my local post office yesterday and could not see even one card with "Happy Christmas" on it. Disgraceful. |
And the wrapping paper, decorations and Christmas stockings were all removed from our local shop’s shelves on December 31st as an obvious anti Christian protest. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:27 - Mar 22 with 1682 views | noggin |
I see the gammons are arranging a St Georges Day march in London this year. I guess it'll be a bit like the St Patrick's Day parade in NYC, with a party atmosphere and silly hats. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:30 - Mar 22 with 1667 views | jayessess |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 08:34 - Mar 22 by BuffaloBill |
It was an example, like removing Christmas nativity plays, an example, people laugh it off as "gammons" but reality is it's the all things that lead to subtle changes.
As example some fish and chip shop not being able to incorporate a union jack in some logo outside, like changing place names because "they offend" like all the virtual signalling that happens every day, week on week. The Joey Barton's of this world hold extreme views, lots and lots of sensible people see where little things like this gesture as another shift.
I couldn't care less to be honest, havent bought a replice shirt since I became an adult, but each to their own. |
IMO If we're talking national symbolism most of the change has gone the other way over the past 40-50 years ago, towards more hyper-sensitivity around people's sense of national pride, not less.
Take Remembrance Sunday, for instance. Go back to the 1990s and there's no "official remembrance fixture" for the football, no poppies sewn into shirts, no expectation that everyone wear a poppy on every live TV programme or every public event, no questions directed towards those not wearing them or wearing white ones. It was a question of people quietly remembering in the manner they deemed appropriate and a discrete event on the Sunday. That's all a post-2000 invention and the sensitivities around it have dialled up not down.
You could do similar for other bits of national symbolism (the England flag itself! Had next to zero presence at England games until Euro '96).
I see people display national flags in their gardens now, which for much of the 20th Century would have been considered a bit of a gauche Americanisation (whose benefit are you displaying it for? Everyone who sees it already knows they're in England and most of them are English).
That's before we get into people's willingness to take offence on behalf of the monarchy (who are more than capable of looking after themselves).
Personally, I think countries that are at ease with themselves shouldn't need to spend quite so much time fretting over whether anyone is disrespecting their national symbols or sense of national identity. It is a sign of strength, comfort and security to just shrug it off. [Post edited 22 Mar 2024 10:31]
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:33 - Mar 22 with 1655 views | redrickstuhaart |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:12 - Mar 22 by brazil1982 |
Well, I was in my local post office yesterday and could not see even one card with "Happy Christmas" on it. Disgraceful. |
I have seen a preview of the next shirt as well. The three lions are being replaced with three trans people in wheelchairs. In a rainbow colour scheme. |  | | |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:46 - Mar 22 with 1606 views | giant_stow |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:42 - Mar 22 by Bigalhunter |
I can only imagine the Nike brainstorming session during the planning phase.
Let’s provoke with a bespoke anti woke poke that leaves them broke.
A marketing disaster or a master stroke?
Time will tell. They might end up going for twenty quid in the middle at Lidl. [Post edited 22 Mar 2024 10:49]
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he's a poet but didn't know it.
I hate to sound like a ponce, but design wise, it's sh1t. Someone linked the GB 2012 kits yesterday - that's how you do a play on the flag - this one's just rubbish, over-detailed and too far removed. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:55 - Mar 22 with 1584 views | BlueNomad |
I heard part of Nicky Campbell's phone-in on 5Live this morning. It's a shame discussions on food banks etc don't stir the same level of passionate argument! Women screaming at each other and shouting him down when he tried to keep order really make you proud of your country. |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:57 - Mar 22 with 1577 views | Bigalhunter |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:46 - Mar 22 by giant_stow |
he's a poet but didn't know it.
I hate to sound like a ponce, but design wise, it's sh1t. Someone linked the GB 2012 kits yesterday - that's how you do a play on the flag - this one's just rubbish, over-detailed and too far removed. |
Nothing poncey about that opinion.
I’ve only just googled it and it’s just a dull looking overpriced t-shirt.
I doubt they’ve got time to change it now without taking a huge financial hit….unless they’d anticipated the backlash and it’s just a massive publicity stunt.
‘Only kidding lads, here’s the one with the proper flag. This is what they waaaaant’ |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:17 - Mar 22 with 1533 views | Swansea_Blue |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:18 - Mar 22 by GlasgowBlue |
And the wrapping paper, decorations and Christmas stockings were all removed from our local shop’s shelves on December 31st as an obvious anti Christian protest. |
Bastards. It's even worse over here. Card makers are FORCED to put Nadolig Llawen on their cards instead of Happy Christmas. According to a bloke with 3 followers on twitter, it means 'boo, down with Christianity' in Arabic. | |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:20 - Mar 22 with 1512 views | Swansea_Blue |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 10:46 - Mar 22 by giant_stow |
he's a poet but didn't know it.
I hate to sound like a ponce, but design wise, it's sh1t. Someone linked the GB 2012 kits yesterday - that's how you do a play on the flag - this one's just rubbish, over-detailed and too far removed. |
I thought the GB kits was a pretty smart design. They can get really busy when use just replicate the flag. Using all blue tones looked good imo.
I agree on the Nike kit version. It does look a bit rubbish. It would be better if it actually was a proper rainbow version and they team had announced it was to promote inclusivity. At least it would have made sense then and promoted a worthy cause. As it is, it's just designer bollox. | |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:25 - Mar 22 with 1497 views | Sharkey |
Disappointed. I was expecting the away strip to be a scarlet shirt with yellow checked shorts, in honour of Rupert the Bear. |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:44 - Mar 22 with 1454 views | OldFart71 |
Ya know what fellas. If ya don't like the price don't buy it. Too many people moan about things and I know some things are beyond our control where you have no choice as to whether to pay or not. But those you have control over then you decide. If it seems like a rip off or even overpriced for what is offered then opt out. | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:46 - Mar 22 with 1450 views | _clive_baker_ |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 08:34 - Mar 22 by BuffaloBill |
It was an example, like removing Christmas nativity plays, an example, people laugh it off as "gammons" but reality is it's the all things that lead to subtle changes.
As example some fish and chip shop not being able to incorporate a union jack in some logo outside, like changing place names because "they offend" like all the virtual signalling that happens every day, week on week. The Joey Barton's of this world hold extreme views, lots and lots of sensible people see where little things like this gesture as another shift.
I couldn't care less to be honest, havent bought a replice shirt since I became an adult, but each to their own. |
The issue is these kind of things tend to get distilled to very binary groups, where as in reality I think the majority of people can be quite reasonable and fluid in their thinking.
Objecting to the national flag being changed by a big, unethical, American organisation on our teams Football shirt doesn't feel unreasonable to me. If nothing else it's just a bit odd and unnecessary IMO. Voicing such an opinion will have some people unfairly stick a label on you though, and by association you're in a bracket. As has been alluded to already in page 1 of this thread as a good example.
That isn't to say the opposite is true though, and that some of the flag sh@ggers who object to this are also valid in their views when they're jizzing over Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage. |  | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:49 - Mar 22 with 1440 views | _clive_baker_ |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 09:29 - Mar 22 by J2BLUE |
Starmer is playing his role perfectly. I'm sure he couldn't care less but it helps win over a certain section of society. |
Of course, just about any communication from any political leader is designed to find favour and increase popularity among the electorate.
Personally if it helps him secure votes I'm all for it, as Labour will be getting mine. | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 12:36 - Mar 22 with 1370 views | bluejacko |
Obviously as this is the England flag that’s being messed about with for a bit of ‘fun’ some don’t care! However can you imagine them messing about with the US,,Scottish of welsh flag for example
and can you see their FA etc signing it off? | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 12:51 - Mar 22 with 1351 views | hype313 |
I'm not a gammon, or would like to think I'm not! But I just think this is an unnecessary move by the FA and Nike, play around with training gear etc, but just stick to to the basic principles of a standard kit.
Can't imagine anyone at Umbro thinking it would be a fun to give us a Yellow and Green away shirt for example. [Post edited 22 Mar 2024 12:53]
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 12:56 - Mar 22 with 1330 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 12:51 - Mar 22 by hype313 |
I'm not a gammon, or would like to think I'm not! But I just think this is an unnecessary move by the FA and Nike, play around with training gear etc, but just stick to to the basic principles of a standard kit.
Can't imagine anyone at Umbro thinking it would be a fun to give us a Yellow and Green away shirt for example. [Post edited 22 Mar 2024 12:53]
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I suppose it takes the gammons focus away from small boats though. | |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:06 - Mar 22 with 1302 views | J2BLUE |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 11:49 - Mar 22 by _clive_baker_ |
Of course, just about any communication from any political leader is designed to find favour and increase popularity among the electorate.
Personally if it helps him secure votes I'm all for it, as Labour will be getting mine. |
Yea, i'm fine with it. I think a lot of what Starmer is doing is designed to get him away from being linked/compared to Corbyn.
That's fine by me. |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:13 - Mar 22 with 1287 views | Help |
Okay someone has got to ask
What is a gammon in this context. Before I get ham and pig comments |  |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:22 - Mar 22 with 1258 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:13 - Mar 22 by Help |
Okay someone has got to ask
What is a gammon in this context. Before I get ham and pig comments |
Someone who's not racist but.... | |
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| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 14:57 - Mar 22 with 1151 views | redrickstuhaart |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 13:22 - Mar 22 by noggin |
Someone who's not racist but.... |
Its a term that should be avoided. Whilst we know who it is directed at at, it is a fairly obvious reference to skin colour. We should avoid double standards. | | | |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 15:00 - Mar 22 with 1128 views | noggin |
| England new kit has enraged Joey Barton and the gammons… on 14:57 - Mar 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Its a term that should be avoided. Whilst we know who it is directed at at, it is a fairly obvious reference to skin colour. We should avoid double standards. |
Is it? I never knew that | |
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