| So… 09:11 - May 7 with 9533 views | chicoazul |
…. Is it going to be a large scale restructuring of the squad and team, 8 or so brand new first 11 players? Or will it be a bit more pared back with just a few key additions? Much has been made of how many of our players played in league one before conquering the championship, will we see the same approach?
Seem to think Burnley have done the former and Luton the latter this year and neither look like succeeding. What’s it gonna be boyos? |  |
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| So… on 10:23 - May 7 with 1634 views | portmanking |
| So… on 10:20 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You think we make between 10 to 13 signings? |
Abso-fecking-lutely.
Look at that list and tell me which calls I've made wrong? Then look at the number of signings made by promoted clubs in the last 5-10 years. A dozen is needed just to cover the general squad churn, without even discussing the need for a few seasoned PL campaigners in there.
If you think we're making 2-3 signings, we'd get the record low points total, guaranteed. You cannot stand still in that division. Norwich have proved that multiple times. McKenna and Ashton won't make that mistake. It's not 2000 anymore. |  | | |
| So… on 10:24 - May 7 with 1629 views | Kieran_Knows |
| So… on 10:20 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You think we make between 10 to 13 signings? |
I don't think that's unfair to say. As PK has already stated, Luton kept a big chunk of their squad together last summer and still signed 13 players.
FWIW, I think it'll be between 8-10, depending on what happens with Hutchinson and Sarmiento. |  |
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| So… on 10:26 - May 7 with 1606 views | _clive_baker_ |
| So… on 10:23 - May 7 by portmanking |
Abso-fecking-lutely.
Look at that list and tell me which calls I've made wrong? Then look at the number of signings made by promoted clubs in the last 5-10 years. A dozen is needed just to cover the general squad churn, without even discussing the need for a few seasoned PL campaigners in there.
If you think we're making 2-3 signings, we'd get the record low points total, guaranteed. You cannot stand still in that division. Norwich have proved that multiple times. McKenna and Ashton won't make that mistake. It's not 2000 anymore. |
I make your list about right tbh, although I think Hladky stays as #2 and we only sign 1 keeper. Quick count was circa 14 to keep, so 6-8 additions to bring that to a core squad of 20-22 feels about right to me. |  | | |
| So… on 10:30 - May 7 with 1588 views | ITFCBlues |
| So… on 10:24 - May 7 by Kieran_Knows |
I don't think that's unfair to say. As PK has already stated, Luton kept a big chunk of their squad together last summer and still signed 13 players.
FWIW, I think it'll be between 8-10, depending on what happens with Hutchinson and Sarmiento. |
I think we pretty much need a player for every position within the squad. As much as it'd be great to sit here and think these players deserve a chance and they've built such a great bond etc, you just have to be ruthless in this situation. |  |
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| So… on 10:33 - May 7 with 1576 views | portmanking |
| So… on 10:30 - May 7 by ITFCBlues |
I think we pretty much need a player for every position within the squad. As much as it'd be great to sit here and think these players deserve a chance and they've built such a great bond etc, you just have to be ruthless in this situation. |
It's not even being ruthless though. We're going to lose the following as a natural course:
Harness
Aluko
Moore
Donacien
Jackson
Ball
Humphreys (loan)
Walton
Al-Hamadi (maybe loan?)
Hutchinson
Sarmiento
Although you may not replace like-for-like, that's still 8-9 bodies to recruit, before you even consider the odd upgrade in certain areas of the pitch.
It's magnificent what we've achieved. We'll never see the likes of it again. But this cohort have given us a platform to become an established Premier League outfit again. Regardless of whether or not they're regulars or even here next season, they'll be etched into the club's folklore forever. Now's not the time to get starry-eyed and I'm sure McKenna and Ashton would agree deep down. | | | |
| So… on 10:39 - May 7 with 1551 views | GeoffSentence |
I reckon he will try to keep all the loanees except Williams.
Any he can't get will be replaced with a new signing/loanee
and another couple coming in, possibly on loan.
Then top up as needed in January. |  |
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| So… on 10:39 - May 7 with 1546 views | chicoazul |
| So… on 10:26 - May 7 by _clive_baker_ |
I make your list about right tbh, although I think Hladky stays as #2 and we only sign 1 keeper. Quick count was circa 14 to keep, so 6-8 additions to bring that to a core squad of 20-22 feels about right to me. |
Hladky leaving. Back to Scotland, believe his other half is from there. | |
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| So… on 10:40 - May 7 with 1545 views | _clive_baker_ |
| So… on 10:33 - May 7 by portmanking |
It's not even being ruthless though. We're going to lose the following as a natural course:
Harness
Aluko
Moore
Donacien
Jackson
Ball
Humphreys (loan)
Walton
Al-Hamadi (maybe loan?)
Hutchinson
Sarmiento
Although you may not replace like-for-like, that's still 8-9 bodies to recruit, before you even consider the odd upgrade in certain areas of the pitch.
It's magnificent what we've achieved. We'll never see the likes of it again. But this cohort have given us a platform to become an established Premier League outfit again. Regardless of whether or not they're regulars or even here next season, they'll be etched into the club's folklore forever. Now's not the time to get starry-eyed and I'm sure McKenna and Ashton would agree deep down. |
As you say it's not even the regulars that we're talking about really. I don't think any of those on your list that you suggested leaving have started double figures this season. We've only got 13 non loanees to have started 10+ games this season and I think they'll all stay.
If players like Harness aren't starting at Championship level then they'll likely be nowhere near it at PL level. Its effectively going to be a case of moving on the subs bench, replacing them with the players that are currently starting, like Hladky, Luongo and Chaplin, and replacing them with upgrades equipped for the premier league. That's not to say they won't get minutes or a chance to stake a claim, but its the natural progression. | | | |
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| So… on 10:42 - May 7 with 1522 views | portmanking |
| So… on 10:40 - May 7 by _clive_baker_ |
As you say it's not even the regulars that we're talking about really. I don't think any of those on your list that you suggested leaving have started double figures this season. We've only got 13 non loanees to have started 10+ games this season and I think they'll all stay.
If players like Harness aren't starting at Championship level then they'll likely be nowhere near it at PL level. Its effectively going to be a case of moving on the subs bench, replacing them with the players that are currently starting, like Hladky, Luongo and Chaplin, and replacing them with upgrades equipped for the premier league. That's not to say they won't get minutes or a chance to stake a claim, but its the natural progression. |
Spot on re. your second paragraph.
Say all 13 non-loanees stay and 10-11 remain regulars, that's 11-12 new faces needed in a 22-man PL squad. | | | |
| So… on 10:42 - May 7 with 1515 views | ITFCBlues |
| So… on 10:33 - May 7 by portmanking |
It's not even being ruthless though. We're going to lose the following as a natural course:
Harness
Aluko
Moore
Donacien
Jackson
Ball
Humphreys (loan)
Walton
Al-Hamadi (maybe loan?)
Hutchinson
Sarmiento
Although you may not replace like-for-like, that's still 8-9 bodies to recruit, before you even consider the odd upgrade in certain areas of the pitch.
It's magnificent what we've achieved. We'll never see the likes of it again. But this cohort have given us a platform to become an established Premier League outfit again. Regardless of whether or not they're regulars or even here next season, they'll be etched into the club's folklore forever. Now's not the time to get starry-eyed and I'm sure McKenna and Ashton would agree deep down. |
100% agree - and they'll know that already.
I think you can keep a core within the squad, but you need to add better quality. Think it's also important to try and get business done early to give them a pre-season, especially if you're adding 10 or so players. | |
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| So… on 10:46 - May 7 with 1490 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I'd hope we keep the core of the team together, every chance next year is a struggle so I'd rather we have our finances straight to build for another good run at portion the should we need to and give those who have run through walls to get us here the chance.
Think there are some clear probable leavers anyway
Harness
Ladapo
Donacian
Adhame
Possibly El Miz
The chap we got from Plymouth who's name I can't remember
Cam H and maybe Al Hamadi on loan.
I'd like to see Moore back if possible and keep Jez and Omari for another year. Sone has retired
That still creates space to bring player's in whilst keeping the spine together and surely makes Leif worth about £50 mil should much bigger boys come calling |  |
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| So… on 10:55 - May 7 with 1447 views | Bluebacker |
The way to look at is not about how many will we bring in but how many do we need to replace. We have 8 players who will almost certainly not be here next season (Aluko, Ladapo, Ball, Williams, Travis, Jackson, Donacian, Moore). So there will surely be 7 or 8 incoming at minimum, with possibly more depending on what happens with Hutch, Sarmiento, Walton, Harness, Humphries. | | | |
| So… on 10:56 - May 7 with 1441 views | chicoazul |
| So… on 10:07 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Very serious. I've stated where I think we need strengthening. Those signings are in addition to securing the services of Hurtchinson and Sarmieto for another season. |
While I agree with the principle it’s not 2002 anymore. I’m not sure a few would be enough. | |
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| So… on 10:56 - May 7 with 1439 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| So… on 10:26 - May 7 by _clive_baker_ |
I make your list about right tbh, although I think Hladky stays as #2 and we only sign 1 keeper. Quick count was circa 14 to keep, so 6-8 additions to bring that to a core squad of 20-22 feels about right to me. |
With a squad of 20-22 we would be woefully short unfortunately. With 9 subs on a matchday your banking on us having a fully fit squad all year otherwise we're playing academy players in cup comps & filling out the bench. | | | |
| There won't be a Forest style spree on 10:56 - May 7 with 1435 views | soupytwist |
| There won't be a Forest style spree on 09:53 - May 7 by nrb1985 |
Really really difficult to see how Omari comes back here sadly.
He has a year left on his deal and Chelsea need to raise finances to avoid selling Gallagher. The youth players (or ones like Omari with a low book value) will be the ones sold to raise the money, given how FFP works. I suspect he'll end up on a permanent move to Dortmund or similar for £15-£20m sadly.
But there are other Omari's out there and clubs now know they can trust their youth with KM, so hopefully somebody just as exciting will come in. |
If Omari going to Dortmund for £15-20 million is a likely outcome, is him coming to us for a similar fee out of the question? |  | | |
| There won't be a Forest style spree on 10:59 - May 7 with 1428 views | nrb1985 |
| There won't be a Forest style spree on 10:56 - May 7 by soupytwist |
If Omari going to Dortmund for £15-20 million is a likely outcome, is him coming to us for a similar fee out of the question? |
Yes, because he can play champions league football and get paid considerably more. | | | |
| So… on 11:03 - May 7 with 1390 views | _clive_baker_ |
| So… on 10:56 - May 7 by Bellevue_Blue |
With a squad of 20-22 we would be woefully short unfortunately. With 9 subs on a matchday your banking on us having a fully fit squad all year otherwise we're playing academy players in cup comps & filling out the bench. |
To be clear we'll of course have a bigger squad than 22. I mean more as a 'core squad', from which the overwhelming majority of the starters come from throughout the season, with others supplementing that. I would probably include Edmundson in that bracket if we sign a new CB. I think 1 or 2 of Humphrey's, El-Miz, Baggott might stick around initially for that purpose too, depending on how the squad and recruitment shapes up. I think finances will dictate that to a degree. | | | |
| There won't be a Forest style spree on 11:08 - May 7 with 1370 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| There won't be a Forest style spree on 10:59 - May 7 by nrb1985 |
Yes, because he can play champions league football and get paid considerably more. |
I'm not sure the difference in pay would be as significant as you make out.
Additionally, is there a huge gulf between maybe having the opportunity to potentially play Champo League football (who knows what chances he gets in that team! They are semi finalists for a reason!) and definitely playing Premier League football week in week out?
For a lad who has grown up dreaming up of playing in the Prem, I think coming back here with an acceptable relegation release clause, playing for a manager who has brought you on heaps in a team you thrive in would be a pretty attractive proposition. Add in the fact he's still close to friends/ family etc etc
A lot more in our favour than you maybe make out. | | | |
| So… on 11:08 - May 7 with 1367 views | yorkshireblue |
| So… on 10:39 - May 7 by GeoffSentence |
I reckon he will try to keep all the loanees except Williams.
Any he can't get will be replaced with a new signing/loanee
and another couple coming in, possibly on loan.
Then top up as needed in January. |
We can only sign two players on loan. |  | | |
| So… on 11:14 - May 7 with 1331 views | BiGDonnie |
| So… on 09:42 - May 7 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree with this.
5 or 6, but a couple will be squad rather than immediate first team prospects.
Priority would be getting Hutchinson back (on loan I assume), Sarmiento is already confirmed I believe as part of his deal this season.
Don't think we need Moore to return, or Williams obviously. |
Doubt we'll sign anyone who's 'just for the squad'. Anyone we bring in will be an upgrade on the first team players.
Williams to be announced on a free transfer soon. |  |
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| There won't be a Forest style spree on 11:19 - May 7 with 1309 views | nrb1985 |
| There won't be a Forest style spree on 11:08 - May 7 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm not sure the difference in pay would be as significant as you make out.
Additionally, is there a huge gulf between maybe having the opportunity to potentially play Champo League football (who knows what chances he gets in that team! They are semi finalists for a reason!) and definitely playing Premier League football week in week out?
For a lad who has grown up dreaming up of playing in the Prem, I think coming back here with an acceptable relegation release clause, playing for a manager who has brought you on heaps in a team you thrive in would be a pretty attractive proposition. Add in the fact he's still close to friends/ family etc etc
A lot more in our favour than you maybe make out. |
Maybe.
Can't see it though given the German (Dortmund in particular) route is such a well trodden path now for those young English players.
Hopefully you're right though :) | | | |
| So… on 11:23 - May 7 with 1288 views | itfcjoe |
It'll end up being 8-10 out and 8-10 when you look at our 25 man squad
From who is currently in our squad you'd imagine the following will go:
Aluko
Ball
Donacien
Harness
Jackson
Moore
Travis
Walton
Williams
We also have Ali Al-Hamadi, Cameron Humphreys and Cieran Slicker who have been in and around the first team squad who will need to be registered next season.
Then question marks re Hutchinson and Sarmiento and their returns...
Then likes of Ndaba, Baggott and El Mizouni who have had good loan spells.....
But I imagine there will be somewhere between 8-10 new players when we name our 25 man squad at the end of next season. |  |
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| So… on 11:23 - May 7 with 1283 views | jayessess |
| So… on 10:30 - May 7 by ITFCBlues |
I think we pretty much need a player for every position within the squad. As much as it'd be great to sit here and think these players deserve a chance and they've built such a great bond etc, you just have to be ruthless in this situation. |
Think we'd be foolish to get too ruthless really.
Think it's very easy to assume that an expensive signing is always going to be better than the players you've got from humble origins, but most clubs discover it's pretty easy to spend a lot of money for not much benefit. In the transfer market you're competing with another 12 other teams (more or less) looking for the same thing - players that impact top level games. We've got no special advantage on that front.
Where we do have a special advantage is the manager, his tactics, his coaching, the player's knowledge of all that, their togetherness, spirit and our momentum. In addition to good recruitment, we'll need to bring every ounce of that to bear. That'll mean getting the absolute maximum out of the players we've already got and signalling to the squad that they're not going to be cast off on a whim. |  |
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| So… on 11:25 - May 7 with 1272 views | DinDjarin |
| So… on 10:17 - May 7 by portmanking |
The mind boggles.
Keepers:
Hladky (may still be off)
Walton (almost certain to go for 1st team football)
Slicker (sticking around)
Defenders:
Woolfie (keep)
Burgess (keep but realistically only as a capable backup)
Edmundson (same as Burgess)
Davis (keep)
Clarke (keep as versatile backup)
Tuanzebe (keep but needs competition)
Donacien (exit door)
Midfielders:
Travis (back to Blackburn)
Ball (exit door)
Harness (exit door)
Humphreys (season loan)
Taylor (backup or maybe even a season loan in the Champ)
Morsy (keep)
Luongo (keep but realistically only as capable backup)
Burns (keep but needs competition)
Aluko (retiring)
Strikers:
Hirst (keep but needs competition)
Chaplin (keep but needs competition)
Jackson (exit door)
Broadhead (keep)
Ali Al-Hamadi (season loan in the Champ)
I make that 1, possibly 2 keepers needed. 3-4 defenders needed. 4-5 midfielders needed and 2 forwards needed. |
Burgess as a backup absolutely not.
He will be one of the first names on the team sheet.
And no way Taylor will be loaned and is one of the players who will be able to make the step up as is still young. [Post edited 7 May 2024 11:26]
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| So… on 11:51 - May 7 with 1192 views | Trequartista |
| So… on 10:10 - May 7 by Trequartista |
It's going to be a few key additions and giving most of the current squad a chance.
It's the Ipswich way. |
Personally though, I think we need 9 signings to compete including Sarmiento and Hutchinson. Plus an old third keeper on a free.
GK,
OldGK,
RB,
LB cover,
CB,
CM,
Sarmiento,
Hutchinson,
ACM
CF
GK, Hladcky, OldGK, RB, Clarke, Davis, LB, CB, Burgess, Woolfenden, Tuanzebe, Morsy, CM, Taylor, Luongo, Burns, Broadhead, Chaplin, Hutchinson, Sarmiento, ACM, CF, Hirst
Goodbye to Walton, Edmondson, Ball, Harness, Moore, Williams, Donacien, Travis, Jackson, Aluko, Ladapo
Loan out Al-Hamadi, Humphreys, Slicker, Baggott etc
Not sure about Luongo, I would have said Humphreys a year ago, but he definitely needs a loan move now having missed so much football kicking around on the sidelines [Post edited 7 May 2024 11:56]
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