| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. 22:07 - Jun 16 with 6942 views | TheBoyBlue |
Back to Pickford, hoof up the pitch, Serbia get it back, we're under pressure again.
Also, surprisingly poor game management for the players we have.
But a win's a win!
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:12 - Jun 16 with 5822 views | Lord_Lucan |
Very much agree.
Thankfully I don't really care too much about international football. |  |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:21 - Jun 16 with 5746 views | mellowblue |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:12 - Jun 16 by Lord_Lucan |
Very much agree.
Thankfully I don't really care too much about international football. |
Not sure that Southgate is doing himself any favours with his football style if he wants a new premier job. | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:21 - Jun 16 with 5738 views | TheBoyBlue |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:12 - Jun 16 by Lord_Lucan |
Very much agree.
Thankfully I don't really care too much about international football. |
Yep, it all seems very key compared to what we've recently enjoyed at Portman Road! | |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:22 - Jun 16 with 5733 views | Ftnfwest |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:12 - Jun 16 by Lord_Lucan |
Very much agree.
Thankfully I don't really care too much about international football. |
Well don’t watch it then, easy |  | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:24 - Jun 16 with 5704 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Pretty much like our days under MM, it’s a win but it’s been a chore to watch.
If we win the tournament under Southgate (we won’t), it’ll be like the year McCarthy got us in the playoffs…the destination was better than the journey… | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:32 - Jun 16 with 5653 views | Wacko |
Southgate is a bang average Championship manager with a great personality who lucked out by getting the England job. He’s basically a superb number two like Pert who creates a fantastic team spirit. My dream would be him as a number two to someone like Bielsa (or Pochettino I guess) but sadly it’s not gonna happen | |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:46 - Jun 16 with 5568 views | stonojnr |
yeah watching the Champs league final and some of the top team Premier league games and you think wow thats exactly how we play and go about playing, and then you watch that from England and think erm ok its 50/50 ball, hit & hope and hospital pass stuff, thats not good.
its like the classic thank goodness there are some exceptional talents in the team who can do amazing stuff occasionally, as without them we'd be scuppered, lets hope they gel more as the tournament progresses because they aint playing like a team at the moment. | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:47 - Jun 16 with 5563 views | quirkie |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:32 - Jun 16 by Wacko |
Southgate is a bang average Championship manager with a great personality who lucked out by getting the England job. He’s basically a superb number two like Pert who creates a fantastic team spirit. My dream would be him as a number two to someone like Bielsa (or Pochettino I guess) but sadly it’s not gonna happen |
England are not winning this tournament and Southgate will be done as the England manager, thank god for that.
He'll maybe end up at a Premier league club somewhere but with his style of football he won't last a season, then probably going into commentary for the Beeb or ITV for the rest of his career. |  |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 06:07 - Jun 17 with 5169 views | NeedhamChris |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:12 - Jun 16 by Lord_Lucan |
Very much agree.
Thankfully I don't really care too much about international football. |
I'm not particularly bothered by it either.
Whoever marked this as abuse, you must find life a really struggle if this is offensive. [Post edited 17 Jun 2024 6:08]
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:34 - Jun 17 with 4888 views | Dubtractor |
I was surprised how often we went long in that second half, especially considering that it wasn't remotely working, with kane isolated and getting dominated by their centre backs. |  |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:42 - Jun 17 with 4841 views | surreyblue |
I'm not sure if the stats are available but I'd be surprised if there was an Ipswich game last season with more long goal kicks than that game.
It wouldn't even surprise me if Pickford took more long goal kicks last night than Hladky took over all of last season! | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:49 - Jun 17 with 4811 views | gringoblue |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:34 - Jun 17 by Dubtractor |
I was surprised how often we went long in that second half, especially considering that it wasn't remotely working, with kane isolated and getting dominated by their centre backs. |
Yes it was really noticeable. It wasn’t even as though Pickford was clipping it over the press to a free man. He was just lumping it and Kane got beaten every time until he won a couple of free kicks towards the end of the 2nd half. Odd as We have defenders and centre mids who play in teams who take the ball off the keeper under a bit of pressure and play out. You can’t expect club level patterns at international level, but we should still be able to play out, keep the ball and control the the match. [Post edited 17 Jun 2024 9:28]
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:55 - Jun 17 with 4762 views | NthQldITFC |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:49 - Jun 17 by gringoblue |
Yes it was really noticeable. It wasn’t even as though Pickford was clipping it over the press to a free man. He was just lumping it and Kane got beaten every time until he won a couple of free kicks towards the end of the 2nd half. Odd as We have defenders and centre mids who play in teams who take the ball off the keeper under a bit of pressure and play out. You can’t expect club level patterns at international level, but we should still be able to play out, keep the ball and control the the match. [Post edited 17 Jun 2024 9:28]
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I rarely watch footy other than ITFC, but I don't think I've seen a less mobile or involved centre forward than Kane last night. I know he's a very good finisher and highly effective in the box (at least I think he is) but honestly, in the build up play and in terms of putting pressure on their defence last night (not that we pressed in any way) it was like playing with ten men. |  |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:57 - Jun 17 with 4750 views | Ftnfwest |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:34 - Jun 17 by Dubtractor |
I was surprised how often we went long in that second half, especially considering that it wasn't remotely working, with kane isolated and getting dominated by their centre backs. |
Agree, although its easy to overlook the fact they stepped up and played well 2nd half. Although in the past i think we would have folded defensively, didn't think the defending was too bad, it was the distribution that was poor and we were overrun in midfield which Southgate should have seen coming from a typical Eastern European side that pretty much has 10 outfield midfielders in the team. Rice had a bit of covering to do for others and was everywhere. Thought Kane was a little too dominated by their centre backs though. 11 or 12 fouls on him until a card was a bit much and they were booting us around generally a bit too much i thought. | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:09 - Jun 17 with 4646 views | Vic |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:32 - Jun 16 by Wacko |
Southgate is a bang average Championship manager with a great personality who lucked out by getting the England job. He’s basically a superb number two like Pert who creates a fantastic team spirit. My dream would be him as a number two to someone like Bielsa (or Pochettino I guess) but sadly it’s not gonna happen |
I think that’s doing his record a big disservice. He’s the most successful England manager after SAR - we might not like how he does it, but he’s got us further in tournaments than any of the others. So I’d say he’s a good Prem manager, and way better than a No 2. |  |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:17 - Jun 17 with 4596 views | BloomBlue |
Precisely, a win is a win. It's a tournament that starts as a league and then goes into a knockout phase. Performance at the league phase is irrelevant, the aim is get through the league and into the knockout phase.
Argentina lost their first game at the World Cup to the Saudis, but still won the WC. You don't hear Argie fans bemoaning that loss, they celebrate winning the WC.
Andrea Pirlo did an interview recently where he laughed about how some fans get upset over performance in the league phase of tournaments. He said Italy always took the approach of just get out of the league phase, even if you draw all 3 games 0-0, nobody worries about the league phase. He even made the point, if you look at tournament history the winners invariably don't start great. |  | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:18 - Jun 17 with 4599 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:09 - Jun 17 by Vic |
I think that’s doing his record a big disservice. He’s the most successful England manager after SAR - we might not like how he does it, but he’s got us further in tournaments than any of the others. So I’d say he’s a good Prem manager, and way better than a No 2. |
…with a huge caveat of the most talented generation of English players for decades (certainly in my lifetime). I think many other mediocre managers could have achieved similar.
Plus there’s not much evidence he’s a good PL manager based on his club career so far. Don’t get me wrong, club over country for me, I’m not that invested in the international game, and I think he’s about as good a manager as England can get. But I don’t understand the supposition that we have to view him as a really successful manager based on being a nice guy, and beating some pretty mediocre opponents in knockout rounds. | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:19 - Jun 17 with 4590 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:55 - Jun 17 by NthQldITFC |
I rarely watch footy other than ITFC, but I don't think I've seen a less mobile or involved centre forward than Kane last night. I know he's a very good finisher and highly effective in the box (at least I think he is) but honestly, in the build up play and in terms of putting pressure on their defence last night (not that we pressed in any way) it was like playing with ten men. |
To be fair to Kane, he’s much better when he drops deep & gets involved in the build up play, with runners going beyond him. For some reason he was clearly instructed to stay up top last night. |  | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:46 - Jun 17 with 4498 views | Vic |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:18 - Jun 17 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
…with a huge caveat of the most talented generation of English players for decades (certainly in my lifetime). I think many other mediocre managers could have achieved similar.
Plus there’s not much evidence he’s a good PL manager based on his club career so far. Don’t get me wrong, club over country for me, I’m not that invested in the international game, and I think he’s about as good a manager as England can get. But I don’t understand the supposition that we have to view him as a really successful manager based on being a nice guy, and beating some pretty mediocre opponents in knockout rounds. |
I hear what you say but I'm not sure about this being the most talented generation for decades. I remember the squads with Brooking, Hoddle, Robson, Keegan, Butcher, Owen, Fowler through to the so called 'golden generation' or Beckham etc. All pretty much perennial underachievers who put together were better for club than country. Bottom line is that Southgate has done consistently better than any of the other managers bar SBR. History will be kinder to him than many are today. | |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:59 - Jun 17 with 4426 views | greyhound |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 22:21 - Jun 16 by mellowblue |
Not sure that Southgate is doing himself any favours with his football style if he wants a new premier job. |
This is an interesting point. For the first time last night I watched England and felt like the tactical set up and play was outdated. As someone said higher up in the replies, this was exactly how I felt at the end of the MM era.
Doesn't mean it won't be successful as a play style, but I think it has less capability of leveraging maximum performance output from the players available. | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 09:03 - Jun 17 with 4400 views | textbackup |
Honest truth, even my wife said ‘why does the England keeper wack it up to only one person when he’s being marked… Ipswich do loads of passes don’t they’
Nearly the exactly word for word. I smiled.
She also thought we were playing Syria |  |
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| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 09:04 - Jun 17 with 4389 views | Churchman |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 08:46 - Jun 17 by Vic |
I hear what you say but I'm not sure about this being the most talented generation for decades. I remember the squads with Brooking, Hoddle, Robson, Keegan, Butcher, Owen, Fowler through to the so called 'golden generation' or Beckham etc. All pretty much perennial underachievers who put together were better for club than country. Bottom line is that Southgate has done consistently better than any of the other managers bar SBR. History will be kinder to him than many are today. |
The problem is that bar Beattie, Gascoigne, Lineker possibly Mariner, you’ve covered just about every player of that time that had the technical ability to play international football. Most of the rest made up for their limitations with up and at em old fashioned blood sweat and tears hoof. And it always ended in tears.
I think the players Southgate has had are far closer to those of the best international sides and have not been used to best advantage. The question is could somebody else have done better with the players Southgate has had? We will never know of course, but my view is yes. |  | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 09:12 - Jun 17 with 4342 views | Europablue |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 07:57 - Jun 17 by Ftnfwest |
Agree, although its easy to overlook the fact they stepped up and played well 2nd half. Although in the past i think we would have folded defensively, didn't think the defending was too bad, it was the distribution that was poor and we were overrun in midfield which Southgate should have seen coming from a typical Eastern European side that pretty much has 10 outfield midfielders in the team. Rice had a bit of covering to do for others and was everywhere. Thought Kane was a little too dominated by their centre backs though. 11 or 12 fouls on him until a card was a bit much and they were booting us around generally a bit too much i thought. |
We mostly looked in control at the back, but at one nil, you are only a great finish or some bad luck away from a draw. I didn't like that we were inviting pressure, but Southgate said that the team were exhausted so dropped back. There were a few hairy moments playing it out from the back, so I suppose it's playing the percentages hitting it long, but hitting it long should be a pass to a particular player in space or a last minute tactic to wind down the clock. From the TV I couldn't see what Kane was doing in the first half, but if his runs were creating space and the defenders were distracted by focusing on him, then he was doing his job. It was clear that the game plan from Serbia was to boot us about and try and stop us from creating anything. They are a decent well-organized team. Like with Ipswich this season past, there are sometimes those teams that largely negate what you do.
I can forgive an unconvincing slow start that results in an opening game win, which is only the second in the Euros. I'm backing the team and even Southgate, who I'm skeptical of. | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 09:13 - Jun 17 with 4332 views | Bluefields |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 09:04 - Jun 17 by Churchman |
The problem is that bar Beattie, Gascoigne, Lineker possibly Mariner, you’ve covered just about every player of that time that had the technical ability to play international football. Most of the rest made up for their limitations with up and at em old fashioned blood sweat and tears hoof. And it always ended in tears.
I think the players Southgate has had are far closer to those of the best international sides and have not been used to best advantage. The question is could somebody else have done better with the players Southgate has had? We will never know of course, but my view is yes. |
Waddle, Beardsley, Barnes, McManaman | | | |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 10:51 - Jun 17 with 4077 views | GeoffSentence |
| You can see why McKenna has us playing the way he has. on 09:12 - Jun 17 by Europablue |
We mostly looked in control at the back, but at one nil, you are only a great finish or some bad luck away from a draw. I didn't like that we were inviting pressure, but Southgate said that the team were exhausted so dropped back. There were a few hairy moments playing it out from the back, so I suppose it's playing the percentages hitting it long, but hitting it long should be a pass to a particular player in space or a last minute tactic to wind down the clock. From the TV I couldn't see what Kane was doing in the first half, but if his runs were creating space and the defenders were distracted by focusing on him, then he was doing his job. It was clear that the game plan from Serbia was to boot us about and try and stop us from creating anything. They are a decent well-organized team. Like with Ipswich this season past, there are sometimes those teams that largely negate what you do.
I can forgive an unconvincing slow start that results in an opening game win, which is only the second in the Euros. I'm backing the team and even Southgate, who I'm skeptical of. |
I the team were exhausted then:
Why didn't he use the other two subs
Why weren't they as fit as Serbia who carried on plugging away |  |
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