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He's inadvertently making another point about this election, though. It's about getting rid of the Conservatives more than electing anyone promising or hopeful to replace them. Yes, in 1997, there was definitely a vibe of giving the Tories a kicking but there was a lot of hope and excitement around Labour too.
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John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 09:19 - Jun 25 by pointofblue
He's inadvertently making another point about this election, though. It's about getting rid of the Conservatives more than electing anyone promising or hopeful to replace them. Yes, in 1997, there was definitely a vibe of giving the Tories a kicking but there was a lot of hope and excitement around Labour too.
I'm excited about having a labour government. They won't have the money to do as much as they want to do, but I just think they're better people. People that want to serve rather than lining their own pockets with ppe contracts. Get rid of the nasty party and get people in who will do their jobs. My only worry is that there may be a few bad eggs get through. I don't know what the vetting process is like.
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John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 10:31 - Jun 25 with 3963 views
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 09:47 - Jun 25 by ChaplinsLob
I'm excited about having a labour government. They won't have the money to do as much as they want to do, but I just think they're better people. People that want to serve rather than lining their own pockets with ppe contracts. Get rid of the nasty party and get people in who will do their jobs. My only worry is that there may be a few bad eggs get through. I don't know what the vetting process is like.
There's always bad eggs buddy. It might not be PPE contracts or election betting but it will be something. There was plenty of scandals under Blair, and of course Major before him.
Just be glad that our system is open and transparent enough that these things do come out and even from time to time result in consequences, eventually.
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 09:47 - Jun 25 by ChaplinsLob
I'm excited about having a labour government. They won't have the money to do as much as they want to do, but I just think they're better people. People that want to serve rather than lining their own pockets with ppe contracts. Get rid of the nasty party and get people in who will do their jobs. My only worry is that there may be a few bad eggs get through. I don't know what the vetting process is like.
I suppose you are the only person who is excited about having a Labour government. A few people are excited to get rid of the Tories, a lot of other people think it is someone else's turn to mess up the country. You haven't been paying attention or just very naïve if you think the Labour MPs will be any better. The Tories are way too worried about being referred to as the nasty party. The best way to look at politics is outside of the party constraints. A good example is that the Labour party want to bring in votes for 16 year old. Is there any logic to it? Absolutely not, they just like the polling on who 16-18 year olds will potentially vote for. If we think of things logically, if anything the voting age should go up to 21 or 23 considering culturally childhood has encroached on adulthood. Don't get me wrong, there are a few really good MPs both Labour and Tories, but they usually don't have leadership aspirations
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John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 13:35 - Jun 26 with 3572 views
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 09:19 - Jun 25 by pointofblue
He's inadvertently making another point about this election, though. It's about getting rid of the Conservatives more than electing anyone promising or hopeful to replace them. Yes, in 1997, there was definitely a vibe of giving the Tories a kicking but there was a lot of hope and excitement around Labour too.
Tony Blair's Labour party were an absolute disaster too. They were very conservative in terms of the economy, too much so for my liking. Then they did a lot of reforms that sounded like a University student wrote them. Ideas that sounded good in theory, but were a disaster in practice. Both parties need to consider the issue of valuing people and communities and rewarding behaviour that creatives positive and strong communities. Then they have to balance that with making the economy healthy enough to support a good quality of life.
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 13:26 - Jun 26 by Europablue
I suppose you are the only person who is excited about having a Labour government. A few people are excited to get rid of the Tories, a lot of other people think it is someone else's turn to mess up the country. You haven't been paying attention or just very naïve if you think the Labour MPs will be any better. The Tories are way too worried about being referred to as the nasty party. The best way to look at politics is outside of the party constraints. A good example is that the Labour party want to bring in votes for 16 year old. Is there any logic to it? Absolutely not, they just like the polling on who 16-18 year olds will potentially vote for. If we think of things logically, if anything the voting age should go up to 21 or 23 considering culturally childhood has encroached on adulthood. Don't get me wrong, there are a few really good MPs both Labour and Tories, but they usually don't have leadership aspirations
If 16 year olds are working and paying taxes - as plenty are, then they should have a vote.
They have a far greater stake in the future than the old too - they've already been totally ignored at the ballot box for years to service the needs of the old
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 13:55 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe
If 16 year olds are working and paying taxes - as plenty are, then they should have a vote.
They have a far greater stake in the future than the old too - they've already been totally ignored at the ballot box for years to service the needs of the old
Maybe they could bring in some criteria for allowing votes for some 16 year olds, but would they remove the vote for people who don't contribute?
Nothing is done quickly, so if you are trying to vote based on your interests you should vote for what you think would suit you in a few years time. For example, students who vote to reduce university fees would never see the benefit, so in effect you are voting to better the lives of future students, not yourself.
Anyway, anyone who has been 16 knows that 16 year olds should not really be voting. Young people do not have a greater stake in the future, parents have the greatest stake in the future of all and older people hopefully are wise enough to understand how the real world actually works.
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John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:18 - Jun 26 with 3374 views
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:10 - Jun 26 by Europablue
Maybe they could bring in some criteria for allowing votes for some 16 year olds, but would they remove the vote for people who don't contribute?
Nothing is done quickly, so if you are trying to vote based on your interests you should vote for what you think would suit you in a few years time. For example, students who vote to reduce university fees would never see the benefit, so in effect you are voting to better the lives of future students, not yourself.
Anyway, anyone who has been 16 knows that 16 year olds should not really be voting. Young people do not have a greater stake in the future, parents have the greatest stake in the future of all and older people hopefully are wise enough to understand how the real world actually works.
Re your first para, would you be in favour of removing the vote for older folk who 'don't contribute' or have a lesser stake in the future?
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:10 - Jun 26 by Europablue
Maybe they could bring in some criteria for allowing votes for some 16 year olds, but would they remove the vote for people who don't contribute?
Nothing is done quickly, so if you are trying to vote based on your interests you should vote for what you think would suit you in a few years time. For example, students who vote to reduce university fees would never see the benefit, so in effect you are voting to better the lives of future students, not yourself.
Anyway, anyone who has been 16 knows that 16 year olds should not really be voting. Young people do not have a greater stake in the future, parents have the greatest stake in the future of all and older people hopefully are wise enough to understand how the real world actually works.
But older people don't seem to be wise enough to see how the real world works - they don't don't seem to understand that the state pension is a huge amount of our countries benefit system and that unless younger people come into work and pay taxes that there isn't anything there to pay for it
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:10 - Jun 26 by Europablue
Maybe they could bring in some criteria for allowing votes for some 16 year olds, but would they remove the vote for people who don't contribute?
Nothing is done quickly, so if you are trying to vote based on your interests you should vote for what you think would suit you in a few years time. For example, students who vote to reduce university fees would never see the benefit, so in effect you are voting to better the lives of future students, not yourself.
Anyway, anyone who has been 16 knows that 16 year olds should not really be voting. Young people do not have a greater stake in the future, parents have the greatest stake in the future of all and older people hopefully are wise enough to understand how the real world actually works.
How does the real world actually work? I've always wanted to know....
You are the obsolete SRN4 to my Fairey Rotodyne....
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:10 - Jun 26 by Europablue
Maybe they could bring in some criteria for allowing votes for some 16 year olds, but would they remove the vote for people who don't contribute?
Nothing is done quickly, so if you are trying to vote based on your interests you should vote for what you think would suit you in a few years time. For example, students who vote to reduce university fees would never see the benefit, so in effect you are voting to better the lives of future students, not yourself.
Anyway, anyone who has been 16 knows that 16 year olds should not really be voting. Young people do not have a greater stake in the future, parents have the greatest stake in the future of all and older people hopefully are wise enough to understand how the real world actually works.
I don't want this to look like a "pile on" but I'd like to cover off one point from your statement not yet mentioned.
"if you are trying to vote based on your interests" then, whilst I appreciate that plenty approach the vote that way, you are voting for the wrong reasons. Vote for what is in the best interests of the country whilst acknowledging its place in the rest of the world.
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 13:55 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe
If 16 year olds are working and paying taxes - as plenty are, then they should have a vote.
They have a far greater stake in the future than the old too - they've already been totally ignored at the ballot box for years to service the needs of the old
I'm on the fence about this
I know what I was like at 16 and definitely should not have been trusted with the vote!
Also how many 16yr olds are actually earning enough to pay tax?
At 16 you still can't take out a loan, have a credit card, buy alcohol, get married, serve on a jury, gamble etc etc. So having a say in elections that will impact on all of these things doesn't feel quite right
However, there are some younger people that are educated, capable of debate and more in tune with politics than a lot of people who do have the right to vote are
It's a tough one but the argument that they pay tax isn't a great one. Any person under 18 can pay tax providing they are earning above the threshold!
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John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 17:05 - Jun 26 with 3161 views
The educated won't save us as almost anyone can get a mediocre education - it's the intelligent who I want to be active in our politics. I'm almost as scared of a Reform or Labour win as a Tory victory - "c0ckwombles the lot of them. Tactical or protest voting is hardly the stuff of a thriving democracy, so I would encourage voting "Independent" or spoiling your ballot paper.
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John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 18:34 - Jun 26 with 3076 views
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 17:05 - Jun 26 by Cafe_Newman
The educated won't save us as almost anyone can get a mediocre education - it's the intelligent who I want to be active in our politics. I'm almost as scared of a Reform or Labour win as a Tory victory - "c0ckwombles the lot of them. Tactical or protest voting is hardly the stuff of a thriving democracy, so I would encourage voting "Independent" or spoiling your ballot paper.
You can’t blame voters for tactical voting when the parties engage in tactical campaigning. This example from Clacton is the clearest example you’ll see, but all parties have strategies for all seats, and they may not be what we’d think a thriving democracy should be about.
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 16:37 - Jun 26 by NedPlimpton
I'm on the fence about this
I know what I was like at 16 and definitely should not have been trusted with the vote!
Also how many 16yr olds are actually earning enough to pay tax?
At 16 you still can't take out a loan, have a credit card, buy alcohol, get married, serve on a jury, gamble etc etc. So having a say in elections that will impact on all of these things doesn't feel quite right
However, there are some younger people that are educated, capable of debate and more in tune with politics than a lot of people who do have the right to vote are
It's a tough one but the argument that they pay tax isn't a great one. Any person under 18 can pay tax providing they are earning above the threshold!
You can still get married at sixteen, with parents or guardians consent, in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
He’s almost always wrong about almost everything. Don’t get your hopes up.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:30 - Jun 26 by Ewan_Oozami
How does the real world actually work? I've always wanted to know....
You are living in the real world when you are supporting yourself. When I was 16 I didn't fully understand all the support I was getting from family and after university a person is just entering the real world.
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John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:49 - Jun 27 with 2497 views
John Oliver seems a little undecided on the election... on 15:19 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe
But older people don't seem to be wise enough to see how the real world works - they don't don't seem to understand that the state pension is a huge amount of our countries benefit system and that unless younger people come into work and pay taxes that there isn't anything there to pay for it
Are you talking about immigration? There should be a full discussion based on facts rather than just saying that we need x number of people to come in. Most people don't realize the real cost of all services and don't understand who is actually a net contributor to taxes, it is a surprisingly low number. Immigrants take years to integrate, there are a lot of problems and cost involved as well as positives. You also have to consider the character of the people you invite into your country. A case in point, for German citizenship you now have to commit to supporting Jewish life in Germany. We should always vote based on the realities of the world, not how we wish the world would be. It's not just a case of immigration being good or bad. That entirely depends on the individuals.
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