| Biden 11:17 - Jun 28 with 4590 views | mutters |
Not sure if it has been mentioned but I just watched a quick overview of the debate between Biden and Trump last night.
Tough watch. Biden I am afraid looks gone, I am sure he is still fairly cognitive when he is in familiar places, and not under the glaring lights of camera and studio, however, it does feel that the Democrats are going to have make a hard decision and find another candidate if they want any chance of winning.
Trump, even with all his warts and all, will walk this election as Biden just doesn't seem able to put up a defence. If i was an American, i am not sure i would want Biden running my country for the next 4 years even if the alternative is Trump |  |
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| Biden on 11:26 - Jun 28 with 4001 views | nodge_blue |
Id take Mickey Mouse over Donald Trump.
But yes I dont get why Biden wants to run or why the democrats dont have anyone better. |  |
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| Biden on 11:39 - Jun 28 with 3971 views | Sarge |
They probably do need to put forward another candidate but you would hope even the most brain dead American could see the difference between:
Biden - Senile but stable, experienced politician who will likely listen to his advisors to fill the gaps in his competence
Trump - Also senile, but a raging anti-democracy narcissistic convicted felon with no substance, credibility, or intention to listen to anybody but his own ego.
All those ‘American values’ that they’ve killed people all over the world to spread and they’d prefer a guy who embodies none of them. |  | | |
| Biden on 12:01 - Jun 28 with 3905 views | Illinoisblue |
It was worse than I feared. Biden should be in a nursing home. No joke. That said, I’ll still vote for him over Trump. |  |
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| Biden on 12:14 - Jun 28 with 3862 views | itfcjoe |
| Biden on 11:39 - Jun 28 by Sarge |
They probably do need to put forward another candidate but you would hope even the most brain dead American could see the difference between:
Biden - Senile but stable, experienced politician who will likely listen to his advisors to fill the gaps in his competence
Trump - Also senile, but a raging anti-democracy narcissistic convicted felon with no substance, credibility, or intention to listen to anybody but his own ego.
All those ‘American values’ that they’ve killed people all over the world to spread and they’d prefer a guy who embodies none of them. |
You can't watch Biden do anything now and think he is worth voting for - people will but he needs to be pulled. The 'not as mad as Trump' stuff just isn't enough when you see just how bad he is now.
It's cruel seeing him out there, he shouldn't be in a public role like this even as an ambassador or the like let alone quite literally the biggest job in the world |  |
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| Biden on 12:18 - Jun 28 with 3836 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Biden on 12:14 - Jun 28 by itfcjoe |
You can't watch Biden do anything now and think he is worth voting for - people will but he needs to be pulled. The 'not as mad as Trump' stuff just isn't enough when you see just how bad he is now.
It's cruel seeing him out there, he shouldn't be in a public role like this even as an ambassador or the like let alone quite literally the biggest job in the world |
Presumably people can console themselves by knowing his handlers will understand whatever state he's in and won't let him near any sharp knives! A really poor state of affairs though that they can't find better than those two. |  |
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| Biden on 12:41 - Jun 28 with 3708 views | BloomBlue |
Exacerbated by the fact it was Biden's camp who requested this debate brought forward by a couple of months as he was slightly behind in the polls and they thought it would help focus the minds of the undecided.
I'm fairly sure it has, but not how Biden's camp had planned. |  | | |
| Biden on 12:42 - Jun 28 with 3689 views | bsw72 |
| Biden on 11:39 - Jun 28 by Sarge |
They probably do need to put forward another candidate but you would hope even the most brain dead American could see the difference between:
Biden - Senile but stable, experienced politician who will likely listen to his advisors to fill the gaps in his competence
Trump - Also senile, but a raging anti-democracy narcissistic convicted felon with no substance, credibility, or intention to listen to anybody but his own ego.
All those ‘American values’ that they’ve killed people all over the world to spread and they’d prefer a guy who embodies none of them. |
To replace Biden with Harris as primary candidate would be a huge gamble considering the levels of mysogyny and racism prevalent across the US - the chances of a woman of African / Asian / American descent getting the same level of votes as a white male is low.
However, I think the possible scenario is that the democrats are betting on Biden getting re-elected, and then for Biden to step down after 24 months due to ill-health. Harris would then step in and the democrats would hope her level of performance over the remaining 2 years of the term would be enough to ensure that the wider American public would be comfortable to vote for her in '28, plus having served only 2 years on this term, she would still be eligible for stand for 2 full terms. |  | | |
| Biden on 13:03 - Jun 28 with 3584 views | DinDjarin |
| Biden on 12:42 - Jun 28 by bsw72 |
To replace Biden with Harris as primary candidate would be a huge gamble considering the levels of mysogyny and racism prevalent across the US - the chances of a woman of African / Asian / American descent getting the same level of votes as a white male is low.
However, I think the possible scenario is that the democrats are betting on Biden getting re-elected, and then for Biden to step down after 24 months due to ill-health. Harris would then step in and the democrats would hope her level of performance over the remaining 2 years of the term would be enough to ensure that the wider American public would be comfortable to vote for her in '28, plus having served only 2 years on this term, she would still be eligible for stand for 2 full terms. |
If they swap out Biden for Harris then that would be the final nail in the coffin as she is useless beyond words. |  | | |
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| Biden on 13:04 - Jun 28 with 3575 views | Devereuxxx |
Its wild the Democrats have let it get this far. Surely the plan was: Biden wins in 2020, 4 years of stability and he passes the torch to an anointed successor. I'm not sure if the relative unpopularity of Kamala Harris meant this plan failed, but Biden's legacy is soon going to pivot from being the guy who got Trump out of the White House, to being the guy who let him back in.
The Dems narrative has always been 'he's so aware and cognitively able behind closed doors', but this shatters that story. The public can only vote on what they see. Which is an old man barely able to string together a sentence.
Biden should step out of the contest now and let candidates put themselves forward before the convention. By this point they'd be lacking name recognition, which the primaries would have allowed them to build, but at least it would be a viable candidate for the moderates to vote for. |  | | |
| Biden on 13:32 - Jun 28 with 3447 views | Illinoisblue |
| Biden on 13:04 - Jun 28 by Devereuxxx |
Its wild the Democrats have let it get this far. Surely the plan was: Biden wins in 2020, 4 years of stability and he passes the torch to an anointed successor. I'm not sure if the relative unpopularity of Kamala Harris meant this plan failed, but Biden's legacy is soon going to pivot from being the guy who got Trump out of the White House, to being the guy who let him back in.
The Dems narrative has always been 'he's so aware and cognitively able behind closed doors', but this shatters that story. The public can only vote on what they see. Which is an old man barely able to string together a sentence.
Biden should step out of the contest now and let candidates put themselves forward before the convention. By this point they'd be lacking name recognition, which the primaries would have allowed them to build, but at least it would be a viable candidate for the moderates to vote for. |
Gavin Newsom from California will likely be parachuted in to save the day. As you say, utterly inept and reckless of the Dems to put Biden up. A massive gamble that could very well blow up in their faces. | |
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| Biden on 15:12 - Jun 28 with 3202 views | factual_blue |
| Biden on 12:01 - Jun 28 by Illinoisblue |
It was worse than I feared. Biden should be in a nursing home. No joke. That said, I’ll still vote for him over Trump. |
Because trump should either be in prison or a mental institution? [Post edited 28 Jun 2024 15:33]
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| Biden on 15:21 - Jun 28 with 3160 views | SE1blue |
At the end of the day, America has put itself in this position; having to choose between the bumbling dinosaur and an unhinged megalomaniac.
One should be in a home and the other in jail.
The USA is totally screwed right now. |  |
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| Biden on 15:28 - Jun 28 with 3103 views | Pencilpete |
| Biden on 15:21 - Jun 28 by SE1blue |
At the end of the day, America has put itself in this position; having to choose between the bumbling dinosaur and an unhinged megalomaniac.
One should be in a home and the other in jail.
The USA is totally screwed right now. |
I saw a clip on TV a few weeks ago where Biden was stood next to some trees looking out into a field and then some woman came and turned him around because he was actually at an event and was facing the wrong way !
The man should be in a nursing home - he's meant to be running arguably the most powerful country in the world and yet you'd worry if he was left alone to run himself a bath | | | |
| Biden on 15:31 - Jun 28 with 3078 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Biden on 12:42 - Jun 28 by bsw72 |
To replace Biden with Harris as primary candidate would be a huge gamble considering the levels of mysogyny and racism prevalent across the US - the chances of a woman of African / Asian / American descent getting the same level of votes as a white male is low.
However, I think the possible scenario is that the democrats are betting on Biden getting re-elected, and then for Biden to step down after 24 months due to ill-health. Harris would then step in and the democrats would hope her level of performance over the remaining 2 years of the term would be enough to ensure that the wider American public would be comfortable to vote for her in '28, plus having served only 2 years on this term, she would still be eligible for stand for 2 full terms. |
The USA voted for a man of African/American descent in two consecutive elections, so I don't see colour s an issue. The thick racist vote is already going to Trump anyway. Harris is just useless.
One name I have seen doing the rounds is California Governor Gavin Newsom. |  |
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| Biden on 15:43 - Jun 28 with 3032 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Biden on 12:14 - Jun 28 by itfcjoe |
You can't watch Biden do anything now and think he is worth voting for - people will but he needs to be pulled. The 'not as mad as Trump' stuff just isn't enough when you see just how bad he is now.
It's cruel seeing him out there, he shouldn't be in a public role like this even as an ambassador or the like let alone quite literally the biggest job in the world |
Entirely predictable as in fact many of us predicted on here a few weeks back - while some were saying that it was Trump that had the health and mental problems.
Trump looked like a polished whippersnapper compared to Biden - and more than coherent.
No way can he beat Trump and if Trump gets in I worry about an end to the planet.
Democrats simply have to ditch Biden |  |
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| Biden on 16:04 - Jun 28 with 2922 views | itfcjoe |
| Biden on 15:31 - Jun 28 by GlasgowBlue |
The USA voted for a man of African/American descent in two consecutive elections, so I don't see colour s an issue. The thick racist vote is already going to Trump anyway. Harris is just useless.
One name I have seen doing the rounds is California Governor Gavin Newsom. |
Gavin Newsom and Josh Shapiro the two names who seem to be in with a shout if Biden goes | |
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| Biden on 16:05 - Jun 28 with 2914 views | itfcjoe |
| Biden on 15:43 - Jun 28 by Lord_Lucan |
Entirely predictable as in fact many of us predicted on here a few weeks back - while some were saying that it was Trump that had the health and mental problems.
Trump looked like a polished whippersnapper compared to Biden - and more than coherent.
No way can he beat Trump and if Trump gets in I worry about an end to the planet.
Democrats simply have to ditch Biden |
The thing is Trump is mental, and speaks rubbis, and that is all true - but up against a doddering old bloke that doesn't matter.
If he was on stage with Gavin Newsom, or a Barack Obama, they'd have made Trump look worse than he made Biden look last night | |
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| Biden on 16:11 - Jun 28 with 2862 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Biden on 15:28 - Jun 28 by Pencilpete |
I saw a clip on TV a few weeks ago where Biden was stood next to some trees looking out into a field and then some woman came and turned him around because he was actually at an event and was facing the wrong way !
The man should be in a nursing home - he's meant to be running arguably the most powerful country in the world and yet you'd worry if he was left alone to run himself a bath |
No, what you saw was a favourably-edited clip to make you think “wow, that man’s staring at nothing” instead of “oh look, that man’s looking at something that’s in front of him”.
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test by StokieBlue 16 Jun 2024 9:56And then proceeds to state he had "aced" a cognitive test whilst proceeding to get the name of the White House doctor who performed the test wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/16/trump-gets-name-of-his-doctor-wrong-as-he-challenges-biden-to-cognitive-test
Couldn't make it up. The choice of potential leaders on both sides of the pond really isn't great.
SB
Not arguing the overall point but please stop taking the TV at face value. | | | |
| Biden on 16:20 - Jun 28 with 2826 views | ronnyd |
| Biden on 15:28 - Jun 28 by Pencilpete |
I saw a clip on TV a few weeks ago where Biden was stood next to some trees looking out into a field and then some woman came and turned him around because he was actually at an event and was facing the wrong way !
The man should be in a nursing home - he's meant to be running arguably the most powerful country in the world and yet you'd worry if he was left alone to run himself a bath |
Think that was the G7 summit, where the Italian pm had to go and fetch him back for the photo shoot. | | | |
| Biden on 16:21 - Jun 28 with 2823 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Biden on 16:04 - Jun 28 by itfcjoe |
Gavin Newsom and Josh Shapiro the two names who seem to be in with a shout if Biden goes |
Not that I know a great deal about Michelle Obama but could she be in with a shout? | |
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| Biden on 16:24 - Jun 28 with 2791 views | Moriarty |
| Biden on 16:04 - Jun 28 by itfcjoe |
Gavin Newsom and Josh Shapiro the two names who seem to be in with a shout if Biden goes |
Gretchen Whitmer [Post edited 28 Jun 2024 16:25]
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| Biden on 16:27 - Jun 28 with 2739 views | itfcjoe |
| Biden on 16:11 - Jun 28 by FoghornGleghorn |
No, what you saw was a favourably-edited clip to make you think “wow, that man’s staring at nothing” instead of “oh look, that man’s looking at something that’s in front of him”.
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test by StokieBlue 16 Jun 2024 9:56And then proceeds to state he had "aced" a cognitive test whilst proceeding to get the name of the White House doctor who performed the test wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/16/trump-gets-name-of-his-doctor-wrong-as-he-challenges-biden-to-cognitive-test
Couldn't make it up. The choice of potential leaders on both sides of the pond really isn't great.
SB
Not arguing the overall point but please stop taking the TV at face value. |
It's so unhelpful for people to try and claim this, because Biden is not electable and at the moment is going to let Trump back to the White House.
Biden needs to be called out for what he is now, and the Dems need to get this message and quickly, because anyone else on the Dem ticket has more of a chance of stopping Trump than Biden does now | |
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| Biden on 16:37 - Jun 28 with 2677 views | itfcjoe |
| Biden on 16:21 - Jun 28 by Lord_Lucan |
Not that I know a great deal about Michelle Obama but could she be in with a shout? |
I guess so, but she's never shown any ambition to do so | |
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| Biden on 17:12 - Jun 28 with 2594 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Biden on 16:27 - Jun 28 by itfcjoe |
It's so unhelpful for people to try and claim this, because Biden is not electable and at the moment is going to let Trump back to the White House.
Biden needs to be called out for what he is now, and the Dems need to get this message and quickly, because anyone else on the Dem ticket has more of a chance of stopping Trump than Biden does now |
As I said, not arguing the overall point, but nobody needs to make that point by deliberately stripping things of their context and riling up people who are easily led. It’s the exact same bullsh*t the media pulls in this country and look where it gets us. | | | |
| Biden on 21:47 - Jun 28 with 2368 views | DJR |
| Biden on 15:43 - Jun 28 by Lord_Lucan |
Entirely predictable as in fact many of us predicted on here a few weeks back - while some were saying that it was Trump that had the health and mental problems.
Trump looked like a polished whippersnapper compared to Biden - and more than coherent.
No way can he beat Trump and if Trump gets in I worry about an end to the planet.
Democrats simply have to ditch Biden |
From the FT.
Obama’s ex-campaign manager David Plouffe described it as a “Defcon 1 moment”, referring to the label for the highest alert level for US armed forces.
“It really pains me to say this,” he told MSNBC. “[Biden and Trump] are three years apart. They seemed about 30 years apart tonight. That is going to be the thing that voters really wrestle with.”
And this (apart from the last sentence) isn't a great admission.
Biden has to go. [Post edited 28 Jun 2024 21:57]
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