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Both Phil and EADT were suggesting yesterday that the fee was a lot less than 20 mil. I hope that is the case it would be a huge chunk of our budget with still the need for several other decent recruits. Delighted that he’s staying though as he was the most exciting player in years.
The scary thing about Omari, is he's not even close to finished developing. If he keeps going, we could genuinely have helped produce an elite world footballer of the future. It will be interesting to see what he does internationally too - will he commit to Jamaica or could England be in his future.
The scary thing about Omari, is he's not even close to finished developing. If he keeps going, we could genuinely have helped produce an elite world footballer of the future. It will be interesting to see what he does internationally too - will he commit to Jamaica or could England be in his future.
Yeah, though age never improved Rooney or Owen. He has so much natural ability though. And he improved loads last season. His out of possession tracking back and tackling became important too. You can’t have any coasters in the side and he certainly isn’t. I guess the only question left for him is doing it regularly now against premiership opposition.
Yeah, though age never improved Rooney or Owen. He has so much natural ability though. And he improved loads last season. His out of possession tracking back and tackling became important too. You can’t have any coasters in the side and he certainly isn’t. I guess the only question left for him is doing it regularly now against premiership opposition.
If we do well with him he’s a 50-70 million pound player in a few seasons.
If we do well with him he’s a 50-70 million pound player in a few seasons.
Yep, 2 productive seasons in the premier league and a Spurs or Newcastle probably don’t baulk at paying £40m+ for him. Not to mention all the value he’ll created in contributing towards stabilising us. Failing that he’s proven himself as a top championship player and would be highly sought after at a similar fee to what we paid. It’s a lot of money but de risked in the sense he’s had a year here and we know exactly what we’re getting by way of character and ability.
Yep, 2 productive seasons in the premier league and a Spurs or Newcastle probably don’t baulk at paying £40m+ for him. Not to mention all the value he’ll created in contributing towards stabilising us. Failing that he’s proven himself as a top championship player and would be highly sought after at a similar fee to what we paid. It’s a lot of money but de risked in the sense he’s had a year here and we know exactly what we’re getting by way of character and ability.
2 productive seasons in the Prem, with our ownership and manager, we'll be on a par with Newcastle and Spurs, in which case we'd have no need to sell him.
I'm old enough to remember and watched us being ahead and above both of them for many seasons.
We should be ambitious and look forward positively. The position our club is in now, if we can establish ourselves this coming season, no reason why we can't kick on.
I was told by a very reliable source that we’re willing to spend up to about £90m on fees this summer. When you consider we’re probably going to bring in 8-10 that shakes out at an average of about £10m each, although it’ll be more a case of a few higher and few lower in reality.
Omari and someone of the ilk of this Greek lad are probably the £20m players. Maybe a couple of those, then 2 or 3 in the £10m - £15m bracket like a Greaves, Sheaf, Downes, maybe Philogene. That sort of level I would think.
That probably leaves £15m or so for a couple more ‘cheaper’ deals. Plus a couple without a transfer fee (Johnson one of them), we’re also allowed 2 domestic loans and international loans on top so we’ll see 2-3 of those I think which will incur a fee.
That’s all just speculation but will depend on who is available and where we think the budget is best spent.
2 productive seasons in the Prem, with our ownership and manager, we'll be on a par with Newcastle and Spurs, in which case we'd have no need to sell him.
I'm old enough to remember and watched us being ahead and above both of them for many seasons.
We should be ambitious and look forward positively. The position our club is in now, if we can establish ourselves this coming season, no reason why we can't kick on.
Don’t disagree that we can kick on as a club, although Newcastle and spurs are a number of years ahead currently. Brighton is a very appropriate blue print IMO and they’ve bought and crucially sold very very well to get to where they are as a stable and middling premier league outfit.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t be gutted to sell Omari in 2 years time but if we’re still a PL club in season 3 and doubling our money or more that we can reinvest then it’s a very nice problem to have.
Yeah, though age never improved Rooney or Owen. He has so much natural ability though. And he improved loads last season. His out of possession tracking back and tackling became important too. You can’t have any coasters in the side and he certainly isn’t. I guess the only question left for him is doing it regularly now against premiership opposition.
Rooney and Owen didn’t have the benefit of working under KM though.
It is a lot but we have to spend big on one or two. Plus if we are getting Johnson for free, that is huge given his potential and it gives additional funds we didn't need to use on his transfer.
Although from information from other clubs who have been in trouble with breaking/nearly breaking financial rules, it's wages rather than transfer fees which have the biggest impact on budgets.
Don’t disagree that we can kick on as a club, although Newcastle and spurs are a number of years ahead currently. Brighton is a very appropriate blue print IMO and they’ve bought and crucially sold very very well to get to where they are as a stable and middling premier league outfit.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t be gutted to sell Omari in 2 years time but if we’re still a PL club in season 3 and doubling our money or more that we can reinvest then it’s a very nice problem to have.
It's all very subjective of course, though I do feel, if we can keep hold of Kieran, we'll go from strength to strength.
I get where you're coming from that Newcastle and Spurs are a number of years ahead, but I don't necessarily think you can put a timeframe on it. It's all about results on the pitch. Let's say we finish 7th this season, Spurs 8th and Newcastle 9th. Are we then ahead of them?
Size of club is a different matter of course. They're both bigger than us in fanbase and stadium and that will continue to be the case even after we've replaced the East stand. If that's the scenario, we'll never get ahead of them. That was obviously the case all those years back when we were undeniably ahead of them for a long period.
It's just so exciting that we're in this position now. MA said that KM will be our best signing this season. I think he's been the best signing since George Burley.
Mark Heath in the EADT yesterday reckoned it was higher than quoted - "It's been reported by the Athletic that the fee will be an initial £20m plus up to £2.5m in add-ons, although we understand the final figures may be slightly higher. "
It is a lot but we have to spend big on one or two. Plus if we are getting Johnson for free, that is huge given his potential and it gives additional funds we didn't need to use on his transfer.
Although from information from other clubs who have been in trouble with breaking/nearly breaking financial rules, it's wages rather than transfer fees which have the biggest impact on budgets.
Yeah, think if someone said we could get Omari and Johnson for a combined £20m then most of us would think that's very good business. Two quality players with room to improve in areas we're looking to strengthen. Not sure there's many other Johnsons out there this summer but probably some slightly older players with Prem experience available on a free that we can use to bolster the squad. Sessegnon is an interesting one for me, if we can get him fit he can cover Davis in that attacking full back role as well as being an option in the three behind the front man.
Mark Heath in the EADT yesterday reckoned it was higher than quoted - "It's been reported by the Athletic that the fee will be an initial £20m plus up to £2.5m in add-ons, although we understand the final figures may be slightly higher. "
I read that too, and maybe it's the going rate these days, but it does seem an awful lot for someone who has only had one substitute appearance in the Premier League.
Having said that, am I right in thinking that, aged 20, he won't count when it comes to the 25? man squad limit?
Mark Heath in the EADT yesterday reckoned it was higher than quoted - "It's been reported by the Athletic that the fee will be an initial £20m plus up to £2.5m in add-ons, although we understand the final figures may be slightly higher. "
I saw an Alex Jones tweet where he said its thought the reported figure is wide of the mark. I assumed that meant it was cheaper rather than more expensive. But maybe not....
I was told by a very reliable source that we’re willing to spend up to about £90m on fees this summer. When you consider we’re probably going to bring in 8-10 that shakes out at an average of about £10m each, although it’ll be more a case of a few higher and few lower in reality.
Omari and someone of the ilk of this Greek lad are probably the £20m players. Maybe a couple of those, then 2 or 3 in the £10m - £15m bracket like a Greaves, Sheaf, Downes, maybe Philogene. That sort of level I would think.
That probably leaves £15m or so for a couple more ‘cheaper’ deals. Plus a couple without a transfer fee (Johnson one of them), we’re also allowed 2 domestic loans and international loans on top so we’ll see 2-3 of those I think which will incur a fee.
That’s all just speculation but will depend on who is available and where we think the budget is best spent.
Yup, I think that’s spot on.
In my mind I had it down as ; 2x £15m-£20m signings 2x £10m-£15m signings 2x £5m-£10m signings 2x loans 2x free agents
I was told by a very reliable source that we’re willing to spend up to about £90m on fees this summer. When you consider we’re probably going to bring in 8-10 that shakes out at an average of about £10m each, although it’ll be more a case of a few higher and few lower in reality.
Omari and someone of the ilk of this Greek lad are probably the £20m players. Maybe a couple of those, then 2 or 3 in the £10m - £15m bracket like a Greaves, Sheaf, Downes, maybe Philogene. That sort of level I would think.
That probably leaves £15m or so for a couple more ‘cheaper’ deals. Plus a couple without a transfer fee (Johnson one of them), we’re also allowed 2 domestic loans and international loans on top so we’ll see 2-3 of those I think which will incur a fee.
That’s all just speculation but will depend on who is available and where we think the budget is best spent.
That’s the sort of divvying up of the transfer kitty I think we’ll see too. I think that from the players were now being linked to that we can see a pattern emerging. We won’t get them all, but it’s clear we’re not balking at £10-15m players, plus Omari, while on the other side it looks like we’ve Johnson on a free. I’m liking the way things are shaping up - looks like we’re serious about trying to stay up this season!
I read that too, and maybe it's the going rate these days, but it does seem an awful lot for someone who has only had one substitute appearance in the Premier League.
Having said that, am I right in thinking that, aged 20, he won't count when it comes to the 25? man squad limit?
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You are correct - won't count towards the 25 man squad (did last year in the Championship, as loanees from Prem clubs in that division count regardless of age)
I was told by a very reliable source that we’re willing to spend up to about £90m on fees this summer. When you consider we’re probably going to bring in 8-10 that shakes out at an average of about £10m each, although it’ll be more a case of a few higher and few lower in reality.
Omari and someone of the ilk of this Greek lad are probably the £20m players. Maybe a couple of those, then 2 or 3 in the £10m - £15m bracket like a Greaves, Sheaf, Downes, maybe Philogene. That sort of level I would think.
That probably leaves £15m or so for a couple more ‘cheaper’ deals. Plus a couple without a transfer fee (Johnson one of them), we’re also allowed 2 domestic loans and international loans on top so we’ll see 2-3 of those I think which will incur a fee.
That’s all just speculation but will depend on who is available and where we think the budget is best spent.
We need that as well - we need to get a squad where the subs bench don't weaken the 1st team and the 1st team are all Premier quality, and we need that as quickly as possible.
We need that as well - we need to get a squad where the subs bench don't weaken the 1st team and the 1st team are all Premier quality, and we need that as quickly as possible.
we're not going to have a 1st team all Premier quality, that would blow our budget completely.
we're going to get a couple of Premier quality players, probably a couple more strong Championship quality players, and try and blend them with what weve got to form a squad that works, but there will be gaps and weaknesses we'll just have to cope with.
well how do fees work thesedays anyway, its all setup to minimise the numbers on the books for FFP reasons, so the numbers people quote are meaningless imo.
I mean does the Arsenal pay off count as part of the "fee" ? is the fee all up front or staged, are there appearance criteria payments, international call up bonus payments, more sell on fees, does the player get 10% of the fee like they used to, or does the agent management fee count.
all we really know, and its probably all we need to know too, is its the most Town have ever spent on one player.
We need that as well - we need to get a squad where the subs bench don't weaken the 1st team and the 1st team are all Premier quality, and we need that as quickly as possible.
We're not going to have a squad that has 20 readymade Prem players in it. We'll be keeping the core of our squad and backing them to step up whilst adding 8 or 9 signings to improve the first team and squad.
I was told by a very reliable source that we’re willing to spend up to about £90m on fees this summer. When you consider we’re probably going to bring in 8-10 that shakes out at an average of about £10m each, although it’ll be more a case of a few higher and few lower in reality.
Omari and someone of the ilk of this Greek lad are probably the £20m players. Maybe a couple of those, then 2 or 3 in the £10m - £15m bracket like a Greaves, Sheaf, Downes, maybe Philogene. That sort of level I would think.
That probably leaves £15m or so for a couple more ‘cheaper’ deals. Plus a couple without a transfer fee (Johnson one of them), we’re also allowed 2 domestic loans and international loans on top so we’ll see 2-3 of those I think which will incur a fee.
That’s all just speculation but will depend on who is available and where we think the budget is best spent.
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