| The rise of ignorance and misinformation 12:24 - Aug 4 with 8766 views | FromReuserWithLove |
In this country is really frightening and depressing. People quoting Enoch Powell and the likes as fact and the total freedom some feel to be openly racist is quite disturbing. As someone who is of mixed race, I'm genuinely quite worried about where we're heading as a country and as a world. I hope humanity can get a grip on social media and start educating again. [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 13:02]
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:31 - Aug 4 with 1665 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:46 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, someone hasn't just disagreed with me, they've put words in my mouth - and you're at it again.
"If they just suppressed legal freedom of speech to a certain extent would that be ok?" - no, and nor have I suggested otherwise. Nor have I said I'd "be happy if social media companies removed controversial or offensive material which fell short of 'hate speech'" - again, a straw man. My words literally said "hate speech", I don't know how I could be any clearer!
I've been removed from facebook and insta for no reason at all (literally), so they already have the power to do what they like in terms of shutting people down. Your point about them interfering with free speech, then, is moot.
You're quite happy with it as it is then? Quite happy with all the right wing hate and misinformation being spread, seemingly unchecked? |
people should be prosecuted for hate speech through the cps and the courts. i don't want social media companies being encouraged to censor things - for every piece of hate speech they remove they'll remove a thousand things that are just controversial or unpopular. given your own experience in being removed from platforms i'm amazed you can't see that. are you happy that you've been dumped from those platforms because, i assume, an algorithm, flagged something you posted as taboo when, i am sure, it was very very far short of anything that could be considered hate speech? |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:33 - Aug 4 with 1650 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:27 - Aug 4 by positivity |
if people have an open mind to see the alternative, you'd hope the vast majority would.
would you prefer education on the consequences of zero immigration or the current disinformation and propaganda? |
no one is arguing for zero immigration. in the the last 3 years net immigration has been 2 million. what if people just disagree with you - or is disagreeing with you always evidence of lack of 'education'? | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:38 - Aug 4 with 1619 views | positivity |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:33 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
no one is arguing for zero immigration. in the the last 3 years net immigration has been 2 million. what if people just disagree with you - or is disagreeing with you always evidence of lack of 'education'? |
what kind of levels of immigration would you allow?
what kind of levels of immigration would the angry mob allow?
i'd love to see people being able to make their own minds up without the toxic propaganda being spewed out currently. am surprised you're debating this. |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:39 - Aug 4 with 1612 views | DanTheMan |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:33 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
no one is arguing for zero immigration. in the the last 3 years net immigration has been 2 million. what if people just disagree with you - or is disagreeing with you always evidence of lack of 'education'? |
I'm not sure I've seen anyone on here promote it but worth mentioning Farage has promoted net zero migration within the past couple of months. Obviously net zero doesn't mean any immigration at all but I imagine most people just hear the zero migration more than anything else. |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:41 - Aug 4 with 1591 views | positivity |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:33 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
no one is arguing for zero immigration. in the the last 3 years net immigration has been 2 million. what if people just disagree with you - or is disagreeing with you always evidence of lack of 'education'? |
farage is quoted as wanting "net zero immigration", by the way, so someone is arguing for it.
edit-sorry dan, didn't see your reply! [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 16:42]
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 17:18 - Aug 4 with 1491 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:39 - Aug 4 by DanTheMan |
I'm not sure I've seen anyone on here promote it but worth mentioning Farage has promoted net zero migration within the past couple of months. Obviously net zero doesn't mean any immigration at all but I imagine most people just hear the zero migration more than anything else. |
ah, ok, i don't listen too closely to what farage says. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 17:19 - Aug 4 with 1482 views | positivity |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 17:18 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
ah, ok, i don't listen too closely to what farage says. |
if only that was the case with everyone... unfortunately it isn't | |
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:20 - Aug 4 with 1475 views | Whos_blue |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 16:11 - Aug 4 by Mullet |
It will be really interesting if they come for those in the big grand houses of the shires who pump this stuff out and watch the mob react like this.
People like Tice and Oakeshott are already trying to distance themselves etc |
Not sure I've seen anything from Oakeshott today distancing herself from anything yet mate. I may have missed it.
Inevitably, Lozza the loon has gone all in. |  |
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:23 - Aug 4 with 1456 views | positivity |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:20 - Aug 4 by Whos_blue |
Not sure I've seen anything from Oakeshott today distancing herself from anything yet mate. I may have missed it.
Inevitably, Lozza the loon has gone all in. |
or tice or farage, may also have missed it | |
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:24 - Aug 4 with 1455 views | Mullet |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:20 - Aug 4 by Whos_blue |
Not sure I've seen anything from Oakeshott today distancing herself from anything yet mate. I may have missed it.
Inevitably, Lozza the loon has gone all in. |
https://x.com/isabeloakeshott?s=21&t=zmbeaFwslH0YzhjRNdxqow she spent last night doing it and I think maybe her fella has advised her and the others to wind it in today. Seems the silence is just as coordinated as yesterday was. |  |
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:26 - Aug 4 with 1434 views | Bobbychase |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:20 - Aug 4 by Whos_blue |
Not sure I've seen anything from Oakeshott today distancing herself from anything yet mate. I may have missed it.
Inevitably, Lozza the loon has gone all in. |
I'd add, as an aside, that there are a lot of people who over the coming days and weeks will regret getting involved, and Farage, Tommy R etc, will be nowhere in sight to help them.
We had a night of severe rioting here in Bristol in 2021 when a Kill the Bill march ended up outside of a city centre police station and it all went south.
In the end the cops got everyone who was involved. Took weeks for some, longer for others, but a lot of people who thought they could mask up and kick a riot shield or throw a brick and get away with it are inside, or have done time.
It's not just CCTV, it's police bodyworn cameras as well. They'll get everyone in the end, and Starmer was DPP after the London riots of 2011 and the courts went to town on the people who were arrested. The state takes a very dim view of anyone who attacks the police in particular. |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 17:32 - Aug 4 with 1405 views | Mercian |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 12:42 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The social media companies should have a role to play here, and while we want to keep freedom of speech to a certain extent, it doesn't mean freedom of hate speech. So if the social media companies refuse to do anything about it (in some cases they even encourage it) then we need laws being brought in - where the social media company is responsible. Before social media the only way for the public to get their voices heard was through interviews in or letters to newspapers, and those views will obviously have been vetted (and if they weren't then the authorities would come down on the publisher). Something similar needs to happen here.
And in the bigger picture, a better education system. But that obviously takes a long time to filter through. |
The boss of the largest social media site is on the verge of being far right himself. Musk is planning on moving X to Texas as California is "Too Woke." He has also un-banned many American and other far right activists including Yaxley-Lennon giving them a legal platform to spurt their vile which is allowed in The US' very lenient free speech laws. At the same time he has banned any prominent people who post supporting ANTIFA, BLM and Islamic issues. |  | | |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 17:33 - Aug 4 with 1404 views | Whos_blue |
I may be wrong on this, but I think the Leeds video she posted is to support her narrative that they were also thugs who rioted in Leeds but they were not white. She's tried to draw the equivalance ( I think) that Starmer is calling the current rioters "right wing thugs", but wasn't so quick to call the Leed's rioters muslim thugs.
Happy to be corrected if I've misread this. [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 17:35]
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 17:35 - Aug 4 with 1381 views | iamatractorboy |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:22 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
the discussion was about introducing a new legal liability that would encourage websites to remove more things. the question was whether websites would be effective at only removing 'hate speech' or whether, under fear of prosecution, they would remove a wider range of things that were simply controversial or unpopular. so it's a question about public policy. i'm also surprised that so many liberal lefty people are happy with the idea that huge, mainly american, corporations get to decide who gets access to public platforms and what they're allowed to say there. it's in the terms and conditions puts power in the hands of corporations and their loony owners. |
Ah sorry, I hadn't quite realised that specific context. It's tricky isn't it. I guess we currently have laws/regulations around things like pubs needing to make reasonable steps to ensure customers aren't taking illegal drugs on the premises or they may lose their licence, could something similar be done in terms of making websites act swiftly where hate speech is being used? The punishment for the website obviously isn't going to be the same as for those individuals who actually do it. | | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 17:49 - Aug 4 with 1315 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:31 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
people should be prosecuted for hate speech through the cps and the courts. i don't want social media companies being encouraged to censor things - for every piece of hate speech they remove they'll remove a thousand things that are just controversial or unpopular. given your own experience in being removed from platforms i'm amazed you can't see that. are you happy that you've been dumped from those platforms because, i assume, an algorithm, flagged something you posted as taboo when, i am sure, it was very very far short of anything that could be considered hate speech? |
The point is they already have the ability to remove stuff/people without question. So what is it you're actually afraid of?
EDIT: You also haven't answered this;
"You're quite happy with it as it is then? Quite happy with all the right wing hate and misinformation being spread, seemingly unchecked?" [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 17:54]
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 19:14 - Aug 4 with 1258 views | nodge_blue |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 13:24 - Aug 4 by TresBonne |
I wouldn't hold your breath on either of our points about X mind you. The literal owner of it is tweeting absolute rubbish like this...
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Lets hope we at least get to see the Liverpool game first.
I just read the comments on that post. jeez.
Think i will just keep the news off for the next ummm decade. |  |
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 19:17 - Aug 4 with 1248 views | urbanpenguin |
Solidarity. As a gay I also feel more precarious, not because the violence against us is so heavy - but is present - but because I know the trajectory.
and if you're reading this and thinking "but I am white and straight and norm and very dull" you are still someone at risk, and if you're not at risk you should just have empathy for those that do.
as a club, we seem better than many. I recall an anecdote of Chelsea racist chanting at PR in the 80s that was drowned out by an Ipswich response that spoke to us not being racist - now is a great time to keep that spirit alive. |  | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 20:48 - Aug 4 with 1135 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 17:49 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The point is they already have the ability to remove stuff/people without question. So what is it you're actually afraid of?
EDIT: You also haven't answered this;
"You're quite happy with it as it is then? Quite happy with all the right wing hate and misinformation being spread, seemingly unchecked?" [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 17:54]
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if it's 'hate speech' they should be prosecuted, if it's mis-information it should be challenged and proven wrong, if people are radicalising others they should be pulled up under prevent, if people are promoting political violence they should be pursued under anti-terrorism laws. all of those legal routes have protection of lawful freedom of speech built in. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 21:02 - Aug 4 with 1060 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 20:48 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
if it's 'hate speech' they should be prosecuted, if it's mis-information it should be challenged and proven wrong, if people are radicalising others they should be pulled up under prevent, if people are promoting political violence they should be pursued under anti-terrorism laws. all of those legal routes have protection of lawful freedom of speech built in. |
When you say "they" you mean the posters rather than the platform, right?
I presume all this is happening already. Doesn't seem to be working does it?
I understand your point but I just think the platforms themselves should have more culpability and responsibility, as publishers of newspapers do. You're worried about them curbing free speech to suit their own ends, but they can do that now anyway.
Your approach seems to be clearing up the mess after the event. I'd like to see more to stop the spread at source. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 21:09 - Aug 4 with 1033 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 21:02 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
When you say "they" you mean the posters rather than the platform, right?
I presume all this is happening already. Doesn't seem to be working does it?
I understand your point but I just think the platforms themselves should have more culpability and responsibility, as publishers of newspapers do. You're worried about them curbing free speech to suit their own ends, but they can do that now anyway.
Your approach seems to be clearing up the mess after the event. I'd like to see more to stop the spread at source. |
my approach is to rely on the law and try to avoid people like you being banned from platforms for no good reason and at the whim of some giant american corporation. let's see what prosecutions follow from what has been happening - online as well as on the streets. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 22:19 - Aug 4 with 970 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 21:09 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
my approach is to rely on the law and try to avoid people like you being banned from platforms for no good reason and at the whim of some giant american corporation. let's see what prosecutions follow from what has been happening - online as well as on the streets. |
I have been banned though. And there are riots in the streets due to the spread of misinformation. So your approach has already failed. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 22:30 - Aug 4 with 926 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 22:19 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I have been banned though. And there are riots in the streets due to the spread of misinformation. So your approach has already failed. |
there were riots well before social media. the nf and the bnp existed before social media. dictators manipulated whole populations before social media. let's not get over-excited. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 23:35 - Aug 4 with 860 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 12:34 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
perhaps social media makes ignorance and misinformation more visible. some people have always been gullible - 'i saw it on facebook' has just replaced 'i heard it in the pub'. idiots have always been attracted to nonsense. |
Social Media is causing the problem. Once it became lucrative to be extreme, the middle ground was destroyed. No seeing anything that can fix this short of banning Social Media altogether ( TWTD excluded obviously ) |  | | |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 08:20 - Aug 5 with 706 views | DJR |
I posted this link on another thread but with the Telegraph's main headline article having pictures only of people of south Asian heritage, this representative of the mainstream media is doing the same as Yaxley Lennon and others on social media, namely, putting the blame on Muslims.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/04/far-right-and-muslims-clash-fresh-ri |  | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 08:27 - Aug 5 with 684 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 22:30 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
there were riots well before social media. the nf and the bnp existed before social media. dictators manipulated whole populations before social media. let's not get over-excited. |
Those examples had other ways of spreading propaganda. Social media is today's way.
"Let's not get over-excited"?!? Have you seen the news?!? I haven't seen this level of rioting, across multiple cities, since the Poll Tax in the 80s. | |
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