| The rise of ignorance and misinformation 12:24 - Aug 4 with 8790 views | FromReuserWithLove |
In this country is really frightening and depressing. People quoting Enoch Powell and the likes as fact and the total freedom some feel to be openly racist is quite disturbing. As someone who is of mixed race, I'm genuinely quite worried about where we're heading as a country and as a world. I hope humanity can get a grip on social media and start educating again. [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 13:02]
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:04 - Aug 4 with 1503 views | Illinoisblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 12:49 - Aug 4 by TresBonne |
X in particular is seeming to be a really dangerous platform. I get having a platform where free speech can be obtained, and I support that. However it should not be free of consequences and the misinformation spread on there is absolutely off the charts.
The algorithms on there seem to be absolutely barmy and all. Not once before this week had I ever clicked on a 'far right' page or such, I literally use it for football news and banter all surrounding FOOTBALL, yet my feed is flooded with posts from the far-right! Why?! Because it is the trending thing I assume, so they push it onto my feed too? [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 12:51]
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:08 - Aug 4 with 1487 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 13:59 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jesus, talk about taking what's actually written and twisting it into something completely different!
I qualified what I meant by "to a certain extent", literally in the same sentence "to a certain extent, it doesn't mean freedom of hate speech". How you've conflated that to "prevent discrimination to a certain extent" is beyond me.
I've not remotely suggested people can't discuss immigration - because, erm, that's not hate speech. I've not said anything about "people you disagree with or find offensive".
Ridiculous straw men all over the place. What is wrong with you?
Yes, hate speech is already in law. I'm talking about the application of that law and holding social media companies, as the publishers, more accountable. Of course you can discern the difference between hate speech and just disagreeing with something, if you have the will to do so. |
calm down - it's a discussion and someone has disagreed with you. if social media companies feared prosecution would you trust them to make the right decision about what is legally unacceptable and what is just controversial or unpopular? would you be happy if social media companies removed controversial or offensive material which fell short of 'hate speech'. if they just suppressed legal freedom of speech to a certain extent would that be ok? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:21 - Aug 4 with 1433 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 12:50 - Aug 4 by J2BLUE |
Not sure how it can be regulated. Musk and Trump will move their platforms to some random country and people will just use VPNs to spread the same things. A sort of dark web light.
I really think social media is toxic to society. I said that a few years ago and took quite a bit of stick but I really think we will look back on the creation of social media as a turning point and not for the better. |
Unless we become like North Korea, China or Russia and completely block what people can see then I can’t see how they can be regulated.
Massive fines if hateful content isn’t removed straight away I suppose. But how do you monitor this? It’s not like a Phil, Gav or Mark casting their eye every so often over a few users bitching at each other a few times a day.
The genie is out of the bottle. |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:28 - Aug 4 with 1411 views | OldFart71 |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 12:39 - Aug 4 by Bobbychase |
My experience last night makes me feel it's going to get worse before it gets better. Was invited to drinks in the city centre as a friend had got a work promotion. One of the protests/rallies was planned for nearby. There were small groups of "stop the boats" types roaming around, mostly just chanting but I did see some chucking cones into the road to stop traffic, for some reason.
Later in the evening as I was walking home there was a small group of Asian lads walking parrallel shouting "alluha Ahkbar" (sorry if I've spelt that wrong) I saw them surround a couple of girls on a hen do and intimidate them before a cop car came past and they moved off.
Further towards home, came across the epicentre of where the stop the boats crowd and the counter protest had clashed outside a hotel that houses asylum seekers. Counted about 40 riot vans, some from forces outside the area, and there was broken glass everywhere. Had to ask a riot cop's permission to walk the final half a mile to home.
Feels like battle lines are drawn and we're going to see a lot more days like yesterday. |
I think to be quite honest your "Stop the boats" type people is quite inflammatory. I say this because not everyone wishing the number of boats and therefore illegal immigration are far right or particularly racist. The problem is and has been the uncontrolled numbers turning up on our beaches. Not knowing the real motives of some either and whilst everyone is being clobbered with higher taxes, losing benefits and being told that services already cut to the bone will be cut again. I will never say the acts currently going on around the Country are right, but it's Governments ineptitude to sorting out problems that has lead to the state the Country is in and the more the indigenous population feels that their concerns are ignored the more problems will arise. |  | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:31 - Aug 4 with 1382 views | positivity |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:28 - Aug 4 by OldFart71 |
I think to be quite honest your "Stop the boats" type people is quite inflammatory. I say this because not everyone wishing the number of boats and therefore illegal immigration are far right or particularly racist. The problem is and has been the uncontrolled numbers turning up on our beaches. Not knowing the real motives of some either and whilst everyone is being clobbered with higher taxes, losing benefits and being told that services already cut to the bone will be cut again. I will never say the acts currently going on around the Country are right, but it's Governments ineptitude to sorting out problems that has lead to the state the Country is in and the more the indigenous population feels that their concerns are ignored the more problems will arise. |
"indigenous"?
these idiots are solving absolutely nothing and merely adding to the country's problems | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:32 - Aug 4 with 1372 views | Tractorboy24 |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 12:42 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The social media companies should have a role to play here, and while we want to keep freedom of speech to a certain extent, it doesn't mean freedom of hate speech. So if the social media companies refuse to do anything about it (in some cases they even encourage it) then we need laws being brought in - where the social media company is responsible. Before social media the only way for the public to get their voices heard was through interviews in or letters to newspapers, and those views will obviously have been vetted (and if they weren't then the authorities would come down on the publisher). Something similar needs to happen here.
And in the bigger picture, a better education system. But that obviously takes a long time to filter through. |
This is 100 percent right, today I went on to YouTube and the top video was a Tommy Robinson one, the only videos I watch on there are music & town, so why that is being promoted. Even when I was searching for the video I wanted to watch, I typed T and it came up with his name. It’s as if they are pushing his rhetoric and it’s massively scary. |  | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:34 - Aug 4 with 1360 views | WD19 |
I was just being daft in response to “….such as the swear filter on here, the moderation is pretty poor, they're slow to take stuff down... the list just goes on and on.” |  | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:39 - Aug 4 with 1317 views | OldFart71 |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:31 - Aug 4 by positivity |
"indigenous"?
these idiots are solving absolutely nothing and merely adding to the country's problems |
I am not talking about the idiots who are rioting. I am talking about those that live peacefully and only want the best for their families. I did also say I don't in anyway agree with these acts of violence. What I am saying is the many voices of ordinary law abiding people in this Country is being ignored. | | | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:48 - Aug 4 with 1282 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:31 - Aug 4 by positivity |
"indigenous"?
these idiots are solving absolutely nothing and merely adding to the country's problems |
the idiots rioting and pushing a far right racist agenda are a problem that needs urgently addressing by the police and the prevent programme. at best they have been radicalised and manipulated by evil actors, at worst they are the ones doing that themselves. but their numbers are relatively small.
but the point made in the post you replied to was that the broader population feels that their concerns are being ignored. in the most recent poll 66% think immigration is too high - in the past 3 years net immigration has totalled 2 million. focusing just on the radicalised far right nutters (who will be arrested and broken up and dealt with) while ignoring the legitimacy of broader public concerns would be a big mistake. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:54 - Aug 4 with 1261 views | iamatractorboy |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:08 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
calm down - it's a discussion and someone has disagreed with you. if social media companies feared prosecution would you trust them to make the right decision about what is legally unacceptable and what is just controversial or unpopular? would you be happy if social media companies removed controversial or offensive material which fell short of 'hate speech'. if they just suppressed legal freedom of speech to a certain extent would that be ok? |
A website has the right to remove anything on its own platform that it wishes. It should set out clear terms and conditions for those that wish to use the website and if deemed to be in violation then the user will be booted. This is not preventing free speech. | | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:55 - Aug 4 with 1253 views | positivity |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:39 - Aug 4 by OldFart71 |
I am not talking about the idiots who are rioting. I am talking about those that live peacefully and only want the best for their families. I did also say I don't in anyway agree with these acts of violence. What I am saying is the many voices of ordinary law abiding people in this Country is being ignored. |
what did you mean by indigenous?
we had a general election very recently for ordinary law abiding people to have their voices heard | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:59 - Aug 4 with 1228 views | positivity |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:48 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
the idiots rioting and pushing a far right racist agenda are a problem that needs urgently addressing by the police and the prevent programme. at best they have been radicalised and manipulated by evil actors, at worst they are the ones doing that themselves. but their numbers are relatively small.
but the point made in the post you replied to was that the broader population feels that their concerns are being ignored. in the most recent poll 66% think immigration is too high - in the past 3 years net immigration has totalled 2 million. focusing just on the radicalised far right nutters (who will be arrested and broken up and dealt with) while ignoring the legitimacy of broader public concerns would be a big mistake. |
how was the question phrased?
if people are given a choice between zero immigration or an ageing country with a crippled economy and no nhs/care homes, i doubt it'd be 66%. education is key | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:06 - Aug 4 with 1196 views | Whos_blue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:55 - Aug 4 by positivity |
what did you mean by indigenous?
we had a general election very recently for ordinary law abiding people to have their voices heard |
I'm really not keen on the move we're seeing towards the phrase "indigenous".
Why has it become so important to some to add another layer of cultural/demographic definition?
What does it even mean in this context and how many generations of a family are required to live here before we consider them "indigenous"? |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:27 - Aug 4 with 1138 views | victorywilhappen |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:06 - Aug 4 by Whos_blue |
I'm really not keen on the move we're seeing towards the phrase "indigenous".
Why has it become so important to some to add another layer of cultural/demographic definition?
What does it even mean in this context and how many generations of a family are required to live here before we consider them "indigenous"? |
The usage of "Indigenous"( in the context of Nativism) is part of the gaslighting in the bigger picture within extreme thinking/acting politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 15:35]
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 15:33 - Aug 4 with 1111 views | monkeymagic |
The fact is, we all come from the same Ethiopian tribe. More ‘recently’, the British population has been impacted by Scandinavian, German and French migration. We should all consider ourselves mixed, people who claim that there more indigenous or English than others are being ridiculous. We should all do dna tests and celebrate our multi nation ancestry. As for the view that someone is more deserving having been born here, I don’t know where to start. Having already been given a huge slice of luck by being born in a wealthy country, to then want extra attention to people fleeing wars etc (or moving here for economic reasons) is incredible self entitlement. | | | |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:46 - Aug 4 with 1065 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:08 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
calm down - it's a discussion and someone has disagreed with you. if social media companies feared prosecution would you trust them to make the right decision about what is legally unacceptable and what is just controversial or unpopular? would you be happy if social media companies removed controversial or offensive material which fell short of 'hate speech'. if they just suppressed legal freedom of speech to a certain extent would that be ok? |
No, someone hasn't just disagreed with me, they've put words in my mouth - and you're at it again.
"If they just suppressed legal freedom of speech to a certain extent would that be ok?" - no, and nor have I suggested otherwise. Nor have I said I'd "be happy if social media companies removed controversial or offensive material which fell short of 'hate speech'" - again, a straw man. My words literally said "hate speech", I don't know how I could be any clearer!
I've been removed from facebook and insta for no reason at all (literally), so they already have the power to do what they like in terms of shutting people down. Your point about them interfering with free speech, then, is moot.
You're quite happy with it as it is then? Quite happy with all the right wing hate and misinformation being spread, seemingly unchecked? |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:49 - Aug 4 with 1055 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:32 - Aug 4 by Tractorboy24 |
This is 100 percent right, today I went on to YouTube and the top video was a Tommy Robinson one, the only videos I watch on there are music & town, so why that is being promoted. Even when I was searching for the video I wanted to watch, I typed T and it came up with his name. It’s as if they are pushing his rhetoric and it’s massively scary. |
Indeed. It's perfectly possible for the SM sites to change the algorithms so this doesn't happen. That's just another thing legislation should force them to do. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:51 - Aug 4 with 1051 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:34 - Aug 4 by WD19 |
I was just being daft in response to “….such as the swear filter on here, the moderation is pretty poor, they're slow to take stuff down... the list just goes on and on.” |
Ah right. Yeah, I was referring to the SM sites with the other stuff. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 15:57 - Aug 4 with 1028 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:48 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
the idiots rioting and pushing a far right racist agenda are a problem that needs urgently addressing by the police and the prevent programme. at best they have been radicalised and manipulated by evil actors, at worst they are the ones doing that themselves. but their numbers are relatively small.
but the point made in the post you replied to was that the broader population feels that their concerns are being ignored. in the most recent poll 66% think immigration is too high - in the past 3 years net immigration has totalled 2 million. focusing just on the radicalised far right nutters (who will be arrested and broken up and dealt with) while ignoring the legitimacy of broader public concerns would be a big mistake. |
We should be addressing the source of the misinformation, not waiting until it explodes onto the streets and leaving it to the police to clear up. | |
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 16:06 - Aug 4 with 1009 views | Illinoisblue |
One positive of this summer of hate; watching brave internet warriors very hurriedly deleting their accounts after being screenshotted urging all kinds of trouble. Lot of people going to losing jobs and going to prison in the near future. And all for what? | |
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| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 16:11 - Aug 4 with 994 views | Mullet |
| The rise of ignorance and misinformation on 16:06 - Aug 4 by Illinoisblue |
One positive of this summer of hate; watching brave internet warriors very hurriedly deleting their accounts after being screenshotted urging all kinds of trouble. Lot of people going to losing jobs and going to prison in the near future. And all for what? |
It will be really interesting if they come for those in the big grand houses of the shires who pump this stuff out and watch the mob react like this.
People like Tice and Oakeshott are already trying to distance themselves etc |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:22 - Aug 4 with 953 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:54 - Aug 4 by iamatractorboy |
A website has the right to remove anything on its own platform that it wishes. It should set out clear terms and conditions for those that wish to use the website and if deemed to be in violation then the user will be booted. This is not preventing free speech. |
the discussion was about introducing a new legal liability that would encourage websites to remove more things. the question was whether websites would be effective at only removing 'hate speech' or whether, under fear of prosecution, they would remove a wider range of things that were simply controversial or unpopular. so it's a question about public policy. i'm also surprised that so many liberal lefty people are happy with the idea that huge, mainly american, corporations get to decide who gets access to public platforms and what they're allowed to say there. it's in the terms and conditions puts power in the hands of corporations and their loony owners. | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:25 - Aug 4 with 926 views | lowhouseblue |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:59 - Aug 4 by positivity |
how was the question phrased?
if people are given a choice between zero immigration or an ageing country with a crippled economy and no nhs/care homes, i doubt it'd be 66%. education is key |
so if people were 'educated' they's support current net immigration numbers? | |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:26 - Aug 4 with 898 views | BlueBadger |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 14:54 - Aug 4 by iamatractorboy |
A website has the right to remove anything on its own platform that it wishes. It should set out clear terms and conditions for those that wish to use the website and if deemed to be in violation then the user will be booted. This is not preventing free speech. |
Exactly. That's why we're not allowed to swear or mention Phil's incident with the [redacted] at the [redacted] whilst he was [redacted] with [redacted]. |  |
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| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:27 - Aug 4 with 876 views | positivity |
| The rise if ignorance and misinformation on 16:25 - Aug 4 by lowhouseblue |
so if people were 'educated' they's support current net immigration numbers? |
if people have an open mind to see the alternative, you'd hope the vast majority would.
would you prefer education on the consequences of zero immigration or the current disinformation and propaganda? | |
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