| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... 10:11 - Aug 27 with 7738 views | itfcjoe |
...and that people don't think we need him (even in main TWTD article)
When Burns doesn't play we really miss him, to the point that often Jackson would start when WB was unavailable because he matched the profile far better than Hutchinson last year.
Omari is quite possibly our best player, but profile was does not suit the RW/RM/RWB hybrid role that Burns has perfected - getting someone else who can do that was so key and delighted we've managed it.
McKenna always wants 10 for the front 4 positions, and there isn't room for Harness or Ali Al-Hamadi in that 10 for me, they just aren't up tot he level required at this stage and hopefully Ali can get there. |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:14 - Aug 27 with 5628 views | JakeITFC |
100% - Burns is such an important outlet for us on the ball when being pressed and also a key part of our press when we don't have it.
You'd prefer not to have to pay £8m for Ogbene (considering he was free last year) but I guess he's now Premier League proven and less of a risk for us.
I do wonder where this leaves Chaplin (and perhaps Broadhead) - with Omari now cemented in the central role (with Szmodics probably behind him and/or Jack Clarke) does Chaplin even make benches? |  | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:14 - Aug 27 with 5621 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
I'm surprised he hasn't tried Harness in that role over the past couple of seasons. Maybe it's something they've looked at on the training ground and decided against it, but for me, Harness seems like someone who could probably replicate the role.
I guess the most important thing, which you've touched on, they aren't up to the level required at this stage now. |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:16 - Aug 27 with 5564 views | ozzy_itfc |
This.
I always think that Omari's best position is number 10 personally. I don't really like him on the right as he likes to come in on his left foot and we lose our width on the right. |  | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:18 - Aug 27 with 5516 views | SomethingBlue |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:14 - Aug 27 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I'm surprised he hasn't tried Harness in that role over the past couple of seasons. Maybe it's something they've looked at on the training ground and decided against it, but for me, Harness seems like someone who could probably replicate the role.
I guess the most important thing, which you've touched on, they aren't up to the level required at this stage now. |
No time to see if Harness could do a few straight weeks out of position in the Prem – we need round pegs in round holes, two of them for each position really. Half-6rse or even three-quarter 6rse anything in this division and we will be relegated before we know it, that's the brutal reality we face and it's very good to see the club tackling it. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:19]
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:19 - Aug 27 with 5490 views | nodge_blue |
Don't you think 10 into 4 becomes too much of a problem keeping players happy?
If Hutchinson plays 10, then that's in front of Szmodics and Chaplin.
That's my only concern really. I can see some players, maybe the new ones, having an expectancy of playing a lot of minutes. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:21]
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:19 - Aug 27 with 5487 views | _clive_baker_ |
Yep, we're still short in the final 3rd.
Hirst, Delap
Clarke, Szmodics, Broadhead, Chaplin, Hutchinson, Burns, Ogbene.
Add 1 #9 in there and that's the 10. Harness and AAH are outside that for me and add the cover in the event of injuries (and 3 of those 9 currently aren't fit lets not forget). |  | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:20 - Aug 27 with 5443 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Totally agree with this.
This type of profile helps the whole system work. Have to have a real threat on the right to drag the defence across and ensure Leif/ Clarke/ Broady get the space.
If they don't respect it, then Ogbene/ Burns have a whole lot of space to run into.
He wouldn't have been my first choice but I think he can be really effective for us.
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:20 - Aug 27 with 5427 views | SomethingBlue |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:19 - Aug 27 by nodge_blue |
Don't you think 10 into 4 becomes too much of a problem keeping players happy?
If Hutchinson plays 10, then that's in front of Szmodics and Chaplin.
That's my only concern really. I can see some players, maybe the new ones, having an expectancy of playing a lot of minutes. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:21]
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They'll all get a lot of minutes – we will make three or four attacking subs in each game and doubtless all kinds of rotations during the season. | |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:21 - Aug 27 with 5381 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:19 - Aug 27 by nodge_blue |
Don't you think 10 into 4 becomes too much of a problem keeping players happy?
If Hutchinson plays 10, then that's in front of Szmodics and Chaplin.
That's my only concern really. I can see some players, maybe the new ones, having an expectancy of playing a lot of minutes. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:21]
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I don't think so given 4 will start and at least 3 will finish, so 7 of the 10 (maybe even 8) will feature every game. There's always going to be 1 or 2 unavailable for 1 reason or another, currently its 3. | | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:23 - Aug 27 with 5343 views | ozzy_itfc |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:20 - Aug 27 by SomethingBlue |
They'll all get a lot of minutes – we will make three or four attacking subs in each game and doubtless all kinds of rotations during the season. |
and always seems like 1 or 2 are injured to be honest. 10 players on paper probably only sees 8 available most games and seeing as we almost always change all front 4 they will all get significant minutes | | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:25 - Aug 27 with 5252 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:18 - Aug 27 by SomethingBlue |
No time to see if Harness could do a few straight weeks out of position in the Prem – we need round pegs in round holes, two of them for each position really. Half-6rse or even three-quarter 6rse anything in this division and we will be relegated before we know it, that's the brutal reality we face and it's very good to see the club tackling it. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:19]
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I said over the past couple of seasons. I agree, no time to trial it now in the Prem, but I'm surprised it wasn't something that was trailled in League 1/Championship as an alternative. I don't recall seeing Harness playing that role in a league game if Burns was out. | |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:30 - Aug 27 with 5063 views | HighgateBlue |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:14 - Aug 27 by JakeITFC |
100% - Burns is such an important outlet for us on the ball when being pressed and also a key part of our press when we don't have it.
You'd prefer not to have to pay £8m for Ogbene (considering he was free last year) but I guess he's now Premier League proven and less of a risk for us.
I do wonder where this leaves Chaplin (and perhaps Broadhead) - with Omari now cemented in the central role (with Szmodics probably behind him and/or Jack Clarke) does Chaplin even make benches? |
It makes the lyrics to the Kieran McKenna song more and more unpredictable, that's for sure! |  | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:43 - Aug 27 with 4810 views | ibbleobble |
Its probably a little bit of a few things. Transfer fatigue, which crept in when Cook did his big overhaul; the best of the Championship is probably a factor and the slight confusion over the Broja deal and whether this is a change of approach or whether they're both coming in. | | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:45 - Aug 27 with 4791 views | rickw |
I've thought since Hull that the right is Hutchison's best position - he was unplayable that game! As Delap can also play right I would have thought we just need a striker and then positions are covered and we're done.
So I'm a little concerned now about the number of new signings and how it will affect team confidence, cohesion and morale |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:48 - Aug 27 with 4721 views | Guthrum |
I very much doubt the club is signing players just for the sake of it. We don't have the Chelsea-sized budget to do that kind of thing.
McKenna, Probert and their merry band of analysts must regard Ogbene as some specific piece in the jigsaw. There will be a clearly defined role, expectations and position in the squad structure. |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:49 - Aug 27 with 4715 views | GavTWTD |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:20 - Aug 27 by Bellevue_Blue |
Totally agree with this.
This type of profile helps the whole system work. Have to have a real threat on the right to drag the defence across and ensure Leif/ Clarke/ Broady get the space.
If they don't respect it, then Ogbene/ Burns have a whole lot of space to run into.
He wouldn't have been my first choice but I think he can be really effective for us.
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Take my money!!!
Ok, not mine, but y'know |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:55 - Aug 27 with 4577 views | itfcjoe |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:45 - Aug 27 by rickw |
I've thought since Hull that the right is Hutchison's best position - he was unplayable that game! As Delap can also play right I would have thought we just need a striker and then positions are covered and we're done.
So I'm a little concerned now about the number of new signings and how it will affect team confidence, cohesion and morale |
Burns played on the right against Hull though, and Omari only drifted there later in the game and was playing as the 10 before that | |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:57 - Aug 27 with 4480 views | NedPlimpton |
No issues with signing another player in that position, but a quick glance at the Luton forums would suggest that they're rubbing their hands at him going for £8m and that he's all pace and no end product
I haven't seen enough of him, other than his highlights, to make a judgement. But they really don't seem fussed about him leaving whatsoever. |  | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:59 - Aug 27 with 4403 views | NthQldITFC |
I suspect that some probably feel that Burns and Delap are the two for the right 'wing' position, but I'm in the camp that very much sees Delap as our number 9, even more so after the grief he's given some of the best defenders in the world in the last two games. Similarly I see Omari as the central 10, so yes we need a Burns competitor for the RW role and this guy sounds ideal and quite Burns-like from what I've read. |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:12 - Aug 27 with 4236 views | chicoazul |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:57 - Aug 27 by NedPlimpton |
No issues with signing another player in that position, but a quick glance at the Luton forums would suggest that they're rubbing their hands at him going for £8m and that he's all pace and no end product
I haven't seen enough of him, other than his highlights, to make a judgement. But they really don't seem fussed about him leaving whatsoever. |
Luckily for him and us he is going to play for one of the best coaches in Europe. |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:14 - Aug 27 with 4192 views | Guthrum |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:57 - Aug 27 by NedPlimpton |
No issues with signing another player in that position, but a quick glance at the Luton forums would suggest that they're rubbing their hands at him going for £8m and that he's all pace and no end product
I haven't seen enough of him, other than his highlights, to make a judgement. But they really don't seem fussed about him leaving whatsoever. |
Compare with fans of clubs where Luongo, Hirst and a few others have previously played. More than happy to see them depart, then amazed as our team containing those players as regular starters steam past them up the divisions.
So much of how a footballer performs is dictated by how they are utilised, the teammates they're working with, relationship with the manager, the ethos and environment of the club. Even the geographical area they're living in, or if their family settles. An awful lot of structural parts shift when a transfer happens. | |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:17 - Aug 27 with 4149 views | NedPlimpton |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:12 - Aug 27 by chicoazul |
Luckily for him and us he is going to play for one of the best coaches in Europe. |
This is true, but it doesn't mean that we can sign anyone and turn them into Messi!
I think I'll remain cautiously optimistic about this one, rather than excited | | | |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:20 - Aug 27 with 4109 views | Vic |
I agree with you Joe. My initial hesitation was that so often Omari has played wide right and been brilliant there. I'd go so far as to say that when we signed him on loan it was his #1 position. And who can forget those goals coming in off the wrong and curling them with his left foot.
But you are right - as good as he is he doesn't give us the same profile as Wes, so if we can get a like for like then why not.
I do just wonder how close we are to the moving into our player costs being a 'gamble'. It's clear, and right, that we are going all out to stay in the prem; but what if for some reason we don't? How much risk as we exposing ourselves to? I think I know the answer really, but I'm just not used to us spending this sort of money!! |  |
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:27 - Aug 27 with 4021 views | Guthrum |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:20 - Aug 27 by Vic |
I agree with you Joe. My initial hesitation was that so often Omari has played wide right and been brilliant there. I'd go so far as to say that when we signed him on loan it was his #1 position. And who can forget those goals coming in off the wrong and curling them with his left foot.
But you are right - as good as he is he doesn't give us the same profile as Wes, so if we can get a like for like then why not.
I do just wonder how close we are to the moving into our player costs being a 'gamble'. It's clear, and right, that we are going all out to stay in the prem; but what if for some reason we don't? How much risk as we exposing ourselves to? I think I know the answer really, but I'm just not used to us spending this sort of money!! |
Even with relegation, we'd have a number of very sellable players (some of whom will be keen to stay in the Prem). Plus, of course, about £45m in parachute payments.
Edit: Changed "we'll" to "we'd". We are staying up. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 11:31]
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| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 11:47 - Aug 27 with 3793 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Surprised at some of the reaction to Ogbene... on 10:19 - Aug 27 by nodge_blue |
Don't you think 10 into 4 becomes too much of a problem keeping players happy?
If Hutchinson plays 10, then that's in front of Szmodics and Chaplin.
That's my only concern really. I can see some players, maybe the new ones, having an expectancy of playing a lot of minutes. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:21]
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KM likes to often change the whole front 4, so that’s 8 needed in the match day squad. Throw in one or two injuries or suspensions and 10 doesn’t seem too many. He kept players happy last year using the same approach, so I reckon it’ll be fine. |  |
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