| 8xBet 09:43 - Sep 1 with 13706 views | Zx1988 |
I know at least one or two on here contacted the club about this particular sponsorship.
Did you get a response from the club? |  |
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| 8xBet on 09:48 - Sep 2 with 2823 views | mutters |
| 8xBet on 09:03 - Sep 2 by goperryrevs |
We can debate whether clubs / our club should have a sponsorship with gambling in general, and fine, people will have different opinions.
But what's missing the point is the concerns raised in this thread regarding this specific company, its murky ownership status and links with organised crime in Asia (including kidnapping, human trafficking and illegal betting). I'm grateful for those that have highlighted these concerns. Just google the playthegame.org investigative article and you can read about it.
It's easy to make a pithy put down comment about smoking or drinking or mortgages or whatever - again, that's for a debate about gambling sponsorship in general. But I find the concerns about 8xBet in particular alarming and would like better assurances from the club and its due diligence processes than just 'well, other clubs are sponsored by them'. That's not good enough. |
Excellent point you raise.
All the topics in discussion will often have a personal insight into it. I am anti-smoking anyway but the fact I have seen first-hand the impact it has had on people I care about has heightened my distaste for it. My views on gambling/alcohol sponsorship have been influenced by being a father and my desire for her not to get caught up in these vices. I am not anti-them in principle, it's just how and where they communicate their wares that I am concerned about. Gambling adverts pop up everywhere Youtube, games on the phone etc.
This company seems to be a lot murkier than the others. Bad stuff comes up when you dig deeper. It's a rather pithy response by the club saying that because the PL has sanctioned it it's an ok company.
Sadly its all about the money money money.... |  |
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| 8xBet on 13:21 - Sep 2 with 2686 views | J2BLUE |
| 8xBet on 09:48 - Sep 2 by mutters |
Excellent point you raise.
All the topics in discussion will often have a personal insight into it. I am anti-smoking anyway but the fact I have seen first-hand the impact it has had on people I care about has heightened my distaste for it. My views on gambling/alcohol sponsorship have been influenced by being a father and my desire for her not to get caught up in these vices. I am not anti-them in principle, it's just how and where they communicate their wares that I am concerned about. Gambling adverts pop up everywhere Youtube, games on the phone etc.
This company seems to be a lot murkier than the others. Bad stuff comes up when you dig deeper. It's a rather pithy response by the club saying that because the PL has sanctioned it it's an ok company.
Sadly its all about the money money money.... |
Will you be boycotting? |  |
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| 8xBet on 13:34 - Sep 2 with 2664 views | textbackup |
| 8xBet on 13:21 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
Will you be boycotting? |
😂😂 he/she won’t even remotely consider it.
Which is why it’s utterly pointless caring |  |
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| 8xBet on 13:36 - Sep 2 with 2644 views | HighgateBlue |
| 8xBet on 22:24 - Sep 1 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Josimar, the investigative football journalists have linked them to human trafficking/enslavement. |
If a football journalist (an unnamed one at that) has "linked" someone to something, it must be true. We all know this.
I'm very interested in this issue, but so far I've not seen anything so far apart from innuendo.
As for Josimar, they complain that 8xBet's CEO won't sign something and is mysterious, yet (a) I don't have a clue what individual is responsible for "Josimar"'s output, and (b) the link from their X account is broken and so no website comes up. Glass houses and stones.
Their pinned tweet sensationally accuses Crystal Palace's main shirt sponsor Net88 of being an "illegal Vietnamese betting operator". In fact, it is a brand name of Risq Capital Ltd, which is an England and Wales company licensed and regulated by the Gambling Commission.
This is not quality journalism. |  | | |
| 8xBet on 14:27 - Sep 2 with 2573 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| 8xBet on 13:36 - Sep 2 by HighgateBlue |
If a football journalist (an unnamed one at that) has "linked" someone to something, it must be true. We all know this.
I'm very interested in this issue, but so far I've not seen anything so far apart from innuendo.
As for Josimar, they complain that 8xBet's CEO won't sign something and is mysterious, yet (a) I don't have a clue what individual is responsible for "Josimar"'s output, and (b) the link from their X account is broken and so no website comes up. Glass houses and stones.
Their pinned tweet sensationally accuses Crystal Palace's main shirt sponsor Net88 of being an "illegal Vietnamese betting operator". In fact, it is a brand name of Risq Capital Ltd, which is an England and Wales company licensed and regulated by the Gambling Commission.
This is not quality journalism. |
All the articles on Josimar detail the journalists name. NET88 concentrate on the Vietnamese market, where online sports betting is illegal. Risq white label is just a way to advertise NET88 to Vietnamese customers. |  |
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| 8xBet on 14:32 - Sep 2 with 2565 views | DanTheMan |
| 8xBet on 13:36 - Sep 2 by HighgateBlue |
If a football journalist (an unnamed one at that) has "linked" someone to something, it must be true. We all know this.
I'm very interested in this issue, but so far I've not seen anything so far apart from innuendo.
As for Josimar, they complain that 8xBet's CEO won't sign something and is mysterious, yet (a) I don't have a clue what individual is responsible for "Josimar"'s output, and (b) the link from their X account is broken and so no website comes up. Glass houses and stones.
Their pinned tweet sensationally accuses Crystal Palace's main shirt sponsor Net88 of being an "illegal Vietnamese betting operator". In fact, it is a brand name of Risq Capital Ltd, which is an England and Wales company licensed and regulated by the Gambling Commission.
This is not quality journalism. |
On your second point (around Palace) that's somewhat missing some fairly vital context as to how these companies work and what their point is.
Net88 isn't just a brand of this Risq Capital, it's a white label. They use the permissions here to then operate overseas, they do not care about the UK market at all. They are targeting areas where it is illegal to gamble.
Josimar aren't the only journalists to pick up on this, here's one from the UK.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11661895/MPs-want-investigati
I'm not going to lose any sleep over this type of thing as I think it's bigger than Ipswich, but it is disappointing none the less. |  |
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| 8xBet on 14:51 - Sep 2 with 2504 views | mutters |
| 8xBet on 13:21 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
Will you be boycotting? |
Nope, it's not a boycotting issue.
I just don't like who we as a club/league sometimes get into bed with however it is a closed shop as they have the fans by the goolies as they know there isn't any alternative.
However, it is important to let the club know that for some their choice of commercial partners is not deemed suitable. If you recall the team up the road got into bed with another betting company (BK8), the fans were not happy and voiced their concerns and the club ditched them and got new sponsors. | |
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| 8xBet on 14:56 - Sep 2 with 2498 views | mutters |
| 8xBet on 13:34 - Sep 2 by textbackup |
😂😂 he/she won’t even remotely consider it.
Which is why it’s utterly pointless caring |
If it was a serious enough issue then yes I would consider boycotting. It's a wider question for society to resolve and well above my pay grade. All I can do is let the club know that as a fan with a young child, it is something that concerns me.
As for not caring, I remember your comment about mental health last season, so your lack of empathy is not at all surprising. | |
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| 8xBet on 15:05 - Sep 2 with 2492 views | itfcjoe |
| 8xBet on 13:36 - Sep 2 by HighgateBlue |
If a football journalist (an unnamed one at that) has "linked" someone to something, it must be true. We all know this.
I'm very interested in this issue, but so far I've not seen anything so far apart from innuendo.
As for Josimar, they complain that 8xBet's CEO won't sign something and is mysterious, yet (a) I don't have a clue what individual is responsible for "Josimar"'s output, and (b) the link from their X account is broken and so no website comes up. Glass houses and stones.
Their pinned tweet sensationally accuses Crystal Palace's main shirt sponsor Net88 of being an "illegal Vietnamese betting operator". In fact, it is a brand name of Risq Capital Ltd, which is an England and Wales company licensed and regulated by the Gambling Commission.
This is not quality journalism. |
There half a dozen clubs with these white label sponsorships, go and try and set up an account with 8xBet and do some gambling - you can't.
They are there to show their name on advertising billboards to get people in the Far East to find out about them because they aren't legal and can't advertise there |  |
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| 8xBet on 17:47 - Sep 9 with 2060 views | viewfromtheu2 |
| 8xBet on 12:06 - Sep 1 by suffolkpunchdrunk |
I received the following response:
Thank you for your email.
We appreciate you taking the time to get in touch, we are proud to have a fan base that cares deeply about the Club.
When we embark on a new commercial relationship, we always work to ensure that it’s the right fit for the Club, both in reference to the commercial terms and the partner itself. 8xBet work with several Premier League clubs, including Chelsea, Manchester City, Leicester City and AFC Bournemouth, all of whom like us have done the required level of due diligence.
Kind regards,
**END**
I am unhappy about the club's association with 8xBet. You don't have to look too hard to find information of concern on the internet. |
Identical reply to my concerns (received 27/08)
I've since reached out with more evidence to which I've heard nothing.
More to come I feel on this.
The fact it hasn't been announced stinks. |  |
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| 8xBet on 19:24 - Sep 9 with 1953 views | J2BLUE |
| 8xBet on 17:47 - Sep 9 by viewfromtheu2 |
Identical reply to my concerns (received 27/08)
I've since reached out with more evidence to which I've heard nothing.
More to come I feel on this.
The fact it hasn't been announced stinks. |
Even if the club severed ties with them we would still have them on our advertising boards.
Every televised Prem game has has 8x or another in their group on the advertising boards. | |
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| 8xBet on 19:37 - Sep 9 with 1926 views | Leaky |
| 8xBet on 11:26 - Sep 1 by noggin |
And alcohol, and fast food, and cheap clothing brands? |
Are we still allowed sex even if it is a selfie. Do you want control everything |  | | |
| 8xBet on 19:41 - Sep 9 with 1916 views | textbackup |
| 8xBet on 14:56 - Sep 2 by mutters |
If it was a serious enough issue then yes I would consider boycotting. It's a wider question for society to resolve and well above my pay grade. All I can do is let the club know that as a fan with a young child, it is something that concerns me.
As for not caring, I remember your comment about mental health last season, so your lack of empathy is not at all surprising. |
I go to games with my kids.
If they happen to ask what the sponsor is I’ll explain it to them. Followed by ‘but gambling is a mugs game, you need to work hard for your money and not hand it over easily’
Which is pretty much what my dad told me at an early age, and guess what, I reckon I’ve gambled about £100 my entire life. Might not even be that much.
I grew up going in social clubs, fag machines, fruities… I don’t smoke, or gamble. If you worry for your kids, drum the message home now, and look to shift the blame on a sign being up on the wall.
Everyone has, and makes, a choice. | |
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| 8xBet on 20:47 - Sep 9 with 1825 views | itfcjoe |
| 8xBet on 19:41 - Sep 9 by textbackup |
I go to games with my kids.
If they happen to ask what the sponsor is I’ll explain it to them. Followed by ‘but gambling is a mugs game, you need to work hard for your money and not hand it over easily’
Which is pretty much what my dad told me at an early age, and guess what, I reckon I’ve gambled about £100 my entire life. Might not even be that much.
I grew up going in social clubs, fag machines, fruities… I don’t smoke, or gamble. If you worry for your kids, drum the message home now, and look to shift the blame on a sign being up on the wall.
Everyone has, and makes, a choice. |
The thing is this isn't a gambling firm, you can't open an account with them - but this, and things like Bournemouth sponsor BJ88 are just Asian gambling companies who can't advertise in their own markets because it is illegal so spend millions sticking themselves in PL football stadiums so when the matches are shown they can advertise there that way.
I'm not a massive fan of gambling sponsorship, but least with Bet365, or SkyBet, or Betway you can actually open an account with them and they are legal companies | |
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| 8xBet on 21:02 - Sep 9 with 1768 views | mutters |
| 8xBet on 19:41 - Sep 9 by textbackup |
I go to games with my kids.
If they happen to ask what the sponsor is I’ll explain it to them. Followed by ‘but gambling is a mugs game, you need to work hard for your money and not hand it over easily’
Which is pretty much what my dad told me at an early age, and guess what, I reckon I’ve gambled about £100 my entire life. Might not even be that much.
I grew up going in social clubs, fag machines, fruities… I don’t smoke, or gamble. If you worry for your kids, drum the message home now, and look to shift the blame on a sign being up on the wall.
Everyone has, and makes, a choice. |
Kids are told not to smoke, to eat heathily, don't gamble, don't drink to excess, don't take drugs etc.... but they still do and some end up in difficult situations. They have all the advice laid out for them, but addiction takes hold. Of course some get the correct messages instilled from home, but some don't have that luxury. Even those who do still go awry.
If it wasn't such an issue then why do they ban smoking adverts, or alcohol adverts near schools? All gambling products have a default warning on them. Why is that? | |
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| 8xBet on 21:16 - Sep 9 with 1731 views | textbackup |
| 8xBet on 21:02 - Sep 9 by mutters |
Kids are told not to smoke, to eat heathily, don't gamble, don't drink to excess, don't take drugs etc.... but they still do and some end up in difficult situations. They have all the advice laid out for them, but addiction takes hold. Of course some get the correct messages instilled from home, but some don't have that luxury. Even those who do still go awry.
If it wasn't such an issue then why do they ban smoking adverts, or alcohol adverts near schools? All gambling products have a default warning on them. Why is that? |
Do you take your kids anywhere?
Because they’d see those things that are so bad for them just simply going in a supermarket. | |
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| 8xBet on 21:54 - Sep 9 with 1679 views | mutters |
| 8xBet on 21:16 - Sep 9 by textbackup |
Do you take your kids anywhere?
Because they’d see those things that are so bad for them just simply going in a supermarket. |
No they are locked up under the stairs, not allowed our or to mix with others 😂😂
I know you can't keep them from these things, they are just bombarded with adverts from all angles. Just something as passionate and emotive like football just isn't the place for betting companies in my opinion. Especially logos on football shirts, as this is something they wear and are proud to wear.
It just doesn't feel right having it so closely linked to sport, but that's my opinion, am sure others see it differently and that's ok. | |
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| 8xBet on 23:15 - Sep 9 with 1598 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| 8xBet on 15:05 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
There half a dozen clubs with these white label sponsorships, go and try and set up an account with 8xBet and do some gambling - you can't.
They are there to show their name on advertising billboards to get people in the Far East to find out about them because they aren't legal and can't advertise there |
The more I read / don’t read about them the more uncomfortable I feel.
From a little digging, 8xbet is apparently a while label brand of TGP Europe. I can’t find much about them but here’s their canines house listing: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/OC308896/fili
One thing that stands out from their 2023 filing is a staff expenditure of £17.3m across an average count of 64 employees. Giving a staggering average(!) salary of £270k - wow. £17m in staff costs for a company with a total revenue of £44m seems a bit out of whack?
A lot of this article is a bit strange: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11421073/amp/Manchester-Cit
A grand total of 251 Twitter followers
No UK website - not even a holding page today who they are
And this slightly odd page on the Gambling Commission site with lots of redacted info and withheld information: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/about-us/freedomofinformation/8xbet-corpor |  | | |
| 8xBet on 00:01 - Sep 10 with 1554 views | JackNorthStand |
| 8xBet on 12:50 - Sep 1 by NeedhamChris |
Each to their own, but I'm not as keen on the club I support promoting illegal gambling. |
Why is 8x bet illegal?
This isn’t a trolling post I am genuinely interested as I know nothing about them other than seeing them around football sponsorship. | | | |
| 8xBet on 07:30 - Sep 10 with 1455 views | DanTheMan |
| 8xBet on 00:01 - Sep 10 by JackNorthStand |
Why is 8x bet illegal?
This isn’t a trolling post I am genuinely interested as I know nothing about them other than seeing them around football sponsorship. |
There's quite a few links dotted through the thread that explain it well but the short summary is that these companies are not targeting British people, but a large Asian market where gambling is illegal.
They use the white label regulations here and advertise with the Premier League because it's watched heavily over there to drive people to their apps. Some of them have been linked to some pretty illegal stuff as well.
If you tried to use these websites, I imagine you'd be unable to. | |
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| 8xBet on 08:42 - Sep 10 with 1351 views | ElephantintheRoom |
An unethical sponsor is surely small beer compared to an unethical owner? | |
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| 8xBet on 09:13 - Sep 10 with 1335 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| 8xBet on 08:42 - Sep 10 by ElephantintheRoom |
An unethical sponsor is surely small beer compared to an unethical owner? |
I agree. I always thought Delia was a bit iffy. |  | | |
| 8xBet on 11:16 - Sep 11 with 1119 views | petieboy2011 |
| 8xBet on 09:03 - Sep 2 by goperryrevs |
We can debate whether clubs / our club should have a sponsorship with gambling in general, and fine, people will have different opinions.
But what's missing the point is the concerns raised in this thread regarding this specific company, its murky ownership status and links with organised crime in Asia (including kidnapping, human trafficking and illegal betting). I'm grateful for those that have highlighted these concerns. Just google the playthegame.org investigative article and you can read about it.
It's easy to make a pithy put down comment about smoking or drinking or mortgages or whatever - again, that's for a debate about gambling sponsorship in general. But I find the concerns about 8xBet in particular alarming and would like better assurances from the club and its due diligence processes than just 'well, other clubs are sponsored by them'. That's not good enough. |
I'm surprised that with reports of kidnapping, human trafficking & illegal betting that the Premier League haven't intervened and asked clubs not to enter a partnership with 8xbet, just to make sure their brand isn't tarnished.
OR am I just being naïve in thinking this and that the PL is just about money these days!?
I personally don't generally pay attention to the advertising/sponsorships around the ground but if 8xbet (or any other betting company) was emblazoned on the shirts, id definitely not invest in them. |  | | |
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