| Where does Morsy rank 09:32 - Sep 24 with 6253 views | Keno |
In the pantheon of great Ipswich captain and how would you actually rank them
Andy Nelson
Billy Baxter
Mick Mills
Terry Butcher
David Linighan
Jason De Vos
Matt Holland
Jim Magilton
Luke Chambers
Sam Morsy
have I missed anyone?
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| Where does Morsy rank on 13:12 - Sep 24 with 1667 views | FromReuserWithLove |
In the bathroom like everyone else? |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:13 - Sep 24 with 1668 views | waveneyblue |
My there was a golden period between 2008 and 2013,
Who wants it this year lads ? .... |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:19 - Sep 24 with 1640 views | Vic |
Mick Mills - simply because he was captain for so long in our most successful period
Matt Holland - class, quality, dignity
Sam Morsy - a powerhouse of character and influence
Terry Butcher - can't remember much about him as captain.
Luke Chambers - probably the weakest of all the players in this list, but a great leader when the whole club were fighting with one hand tied behind their back, and had lost the paddle before they went into the creek.
Andy Nelson - Must have been decent to be SAR captain in the first great ITFC team. But was before my time
Jim Magilton - not sure how I remember him! Liked him at the time, but he was a nearly man.
David Linighan decent - but what did he actually do?
Jason De Vos - see Linighan above
Billy Baxter - Trouble maker who had to be kicked out of the club by SBR before he could get anything done. |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 13:27 - Sep 24 with 1619 views | BondiBlue |
| Where does Morsy rank on 12:36 - Sep 24 by dirtyboy |
I think we need to create some criteria.
If you were drunk and your wife wanted sex with you, and one of these captains just so happened to be in the room with you, which one would you want there?
I think Holland would tuck you up in bed and then simply sit by the bedside consoling your wife with kind words and she'd simply forget the whole episode ever happened. You'd wake, there'd be toast and orange juice on the bedside table and a note saying "see you at training for 10 champ".
Magilton will be shouting at you from a safe distance, pointing in various directions, always calm but that firm Northern Irish accent having enough edge to know he means business....ultimately, i'd probably flounder adnt the player manager would sub himself in to finish the job.
Chambers would rally, he'd really be great, but I feel my performance would be under par, through no fault of his, but simply because i'm not good enough, he'd then give her written instructions with additional resources to finish the job herself, before fist pumping her at the very end after what was a dire effort, but he could celebrate a great final few moments.
Morsy would be dragging me on the bed, softly spoken but with enough agression detected to know if I didn't perk up, i'd be taking a hit pretty soon, knowing my lack of ability, he'd probably take a deep breath and take his finger and thumb to guide me to my target, dragging this wet lump of lard to the very end of what I was physically capable of before applauding my achievement and making me feel like a million dollars.
Mick Mills i'm not sure on, don't remember him as a captain, but having listened to him on the radio, I suspect he'd spend a good two hours telling my wife how bad I was and she needed to bring in more quality earlier on. |
I was going to comment seriously, something about which one do we miss more when they aren't playing, but i don't think i can top this. Or even recover my train of thought. Outstanding work. |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 13:38 - Sep 24 with 1591 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:19 - Sep 24 by Vic |
Mick Mills - simply because he was captain for so long in our most successful period
Matt Holland - class, quality, dignity
Sam Morsy - a powerhouse of character and influence
Terry Butcher - can't remember much about him as captain.
Luke Chambers - probably the weakest of all the players in this list, but a great leader when the whole club were fighting with one hand tied behind their back, and had lost the paddle before they went into the creek.
Andy Nelson - Must have been decent to be SAR captain in the first great ITFC team. But was before my time
Jim Magilton - not sure how I remember him! Liked him at the time, but he was a nearly man.
David Linighan decent - but what did he actually do?
Jason De Vos - see Linighan above
Billy Baxter - Trouble maker who had to be kicked out of the club by SBR before he could get anything done. |
Magilton is in the top 3 biggest club legends of the last 30 years. Much like Morsy, the heartbeat of the team that got promotion and finished 5th in the PL. Plus, inherited one of the sh!ttest Ipswich teams in my lifetime and did a very serviceable job as manager. [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 13:39]
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| Where does Morsy rank on 14:15 - Sep 24 with 1532 views | Keno |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:27 - Sep 24 by BondiBlue |
I was going to comment seriously, something about which one do we miss more when they aren't playing, but i don't think i can top this. Or even recover my train of thought. Outstanding work. |
I'd love him to expand that analogy to managers
Sir Bobby
Mick
Paul Worst
Paul Lamburke
Cookie
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| Where does Morsy rank on 14:19 - Sep 24 with 1523 views | Metal_Hacker |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 14:20 - Sep 24 with 1522 views | Vic |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:38 - Sep 24 by tractorboy1978 |
Magilton is in the top 3 biggest club legends of the last 30 years. Much like Morsy, the heartbeat of the team that got promotion and finished 5th in the PL. Plus, inherited one of the sh!ttest Ipswich teams in my lifetime and did a very serviceable job as manager. [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 13:39]
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Yep, not knocking him, but as a captain? He followed Holland and had a tough gig as the bottom pretty much fell out of the club (again) but I seem to remember that he had lost a yard of pace by the time he was captain and for all his passion the team wasn't as good so for me I can't put him up with the others who captained successful teams. | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 14:24 - Sep 24 with 1509 views | positivity |
| Where does Morsy rank on 14:20 - Sep 24 by Vic |
Yep, not knocking him, but as a captain? He followed Holland and had a tough gig as the bottom pretty much fell out of the club (again) but I seem to remember that he had lost a yard of pace by the time he was captain and for all his passion the team wasn't as good so for me I can't put him up with the others who captained successful teams. |
that's fair enough, but i also think holland's captaincy was vastly helped by magic's organisation and driving up standards as a vocal presence on the pitch.
an essential good cop/bad cop combination? | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 14:39 - Sep 24 with 1481 views | noggin |
| Where does Morsy rank on 14:19 - Sep 24 by Metal_Hacker |
Mills
Morsy
Holland |
Some people slate Mick Mills for his personality on the radio but imho, he was one of the best players England has ever produced. I don't think we would have had the success we did without him. If he'd played for Liverpool, he'd be talked of very differently. |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 15:12 - Sep 24 with 1436 views | Europablue |
| Where does Morsy rank on 10:04 - Sep 24 by NthQldITFC |
Can't comment on the first two, and my memories of Micky Mills and Terry Butcher are pretty hazy, but I'm gonna go:
1. Mills
2=. Holland & Morsy
4. Chambers
5. Magilton
But it's really difficult to do it on captaincy alone because you naturally take into account the quality of the team. I've put Chambers right up there for an extended period leading a mostly poor team.
On the same basis, you might say Mills had such a good team to lead that his captaincy wasn't necessarily exceptional, and that Morsy in particular and also Holland captained a team through a period of major improvement.
If you really look at it that way, there's a pretty strong argument that Samy is number 1 - he's certainly someone I'd want leading me in any situation. |
Holland is an absolute club legend. Morsy is not on the same level as him just yet, but he could well be after this season. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 15:14 - Sep 24 with 1432 views | HighgateBlue |
| Where does Morsy rank on 14:19 - Sep 24 by Metal_Hacker |
Mills
Morsy
Holland |
Absolutely love Morsy, and for him to be, rightly, in the conversation about the very top few captains in the last half century speaks volumes. Great player, great leader.
I can't yet put him above Holland though. Holland played twice as many games for us, captained us to 5th in the league, captained us in Europe (including that night against Inter Milan). I appreciate that the Premier League is several notches more competitive than it was 20+ years ago, and so nobody could reasonably think of a European finish this year, but that shouldn't detract from what Holland achieved. We don't yet know if, when and how our Premier League journey ends this time around, but I'm looking forward to finding out.
Mills played a billion games for us, won some serious trophies and captained England in the World Cup, so there's no real argument for top spot, assuming we're cutting this off about 50 years ago, or around the time Sir Bob started. Anything pre-colour TV is really impossible to compare, so hats off to the lads that won the league, but it really was such a very different era. |  | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 15:14 - Sep 24 with 1428 views | oldburian |
The first time I went to Portman Road the captain was Tommy Parker. A great stalwart for the club and held the appearance record until Mick Mills surpassed him. After injury blighted his career he worked behind the scenes. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 15:19 - Sep 24 with 1392 views | monty_radio |
| Where does Morsy rank on 13:19 - Sep 24 by Vic |
Mick Mills - simply because he was captain for so long in our most successful period
Matt Holland - class, quality, dignity
Sam Morsy - a powerhouse of character and influence
Terry Butcher - can't remember much about him as captain.
Luke Chambers - probably the weakest of all the players in this list, but a great leader when the whole club were fighting with one hand tied behind their back, and had lost the paddle before they went into the creek.
Andy Nelson - Must have been decent to be SAR captain in the first great ITFC team. But was before my time
Jim Magilton - not sure how I remember him! Liked him at the time, but he was a nearly man.
David Linighan decent - but what did he actually do?
Jason De Vos - see Linighan above
Billy Baxter - Trouble maker who had to be kicked out of the club by SBR before he could get anything done. |
But also the Billy Baxter of whom either Milburn or Bill McGarry said that if he had 11 Billy Baxters, he'd win the league. In the bleak period of the sixties he was nothing less than a captain fantastic - shame about the later trouble, but possibly a downside to the fighting spirit? | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 15:19 - Sep 24 with 1394 views | TheBlueGnu |
1. Mills
2. Holland
3. Morsy
4. Magilton
5. Butcher
6. Mowbray
7. Baxter
8. DeVos
9. Nelson
10. Atkins
11. Linighan
12. Zondervan | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 15:23 - Sep 24 with 1382 views | monty_radio |
| Where does Morsy rank on 15:14 - Sep 24 by HighgateBlue |
Absolutely love Morsy, and for him to be, rightly, in the conversation about the very top few captains in the last half century speaks volumes. Great player, great leader.
I can't yet put him above Holland though. Holland played twice as many games for us, captained us to 5th in the league, captained us in Europe (including that night against Inter Milan). I appreciate that the Premier League is several notches more competitive than it was 20+ years ago, and so nobody could reasonably think of a European finish this year, but that shouldn't detract from what Holland achieved. We don't yet know if, when and how our Premier League journey ends this time around, but I'm looking forward to finding out.
Mills played a billion games for us, won some serious trophies and captained England in the World Cup, so there's no real argument for top spot, assuming we're cutting this off about 50 years ago, or around the time Sir Bob started. Anything pre-colour TV is really impossible to compare, so hats off to the lads that won the league, but it really was such a very different era. |
"so hats off to the lads that won the league, but it really was such a very different era."
But it was as much an impossibility then as it would be with us right at this moment. | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 15:41 - Sep 24 with 1355 views | CopfordBlue |
I can’t compare him to Baxter or Nelson as they are before my time but I consider Morsy to be the most important and best captain we’ve had in the near 50 years I’ve supported us.
Mills is a legend and his record of captaining us to two major trophies dwarfs what any other captain has achieved. Holland was a great player for us, an excellent role model and a real ambassador for the club. However, I think we’d still have achieved most of what we did during their periods as captains if they were playing in those teams but not as the skipper. For me without Morsy’s leadership we would not have achieved either promotion. He is the embodiment of what McKenna wants and expects on the pitch. He has squeezed that extra 5% out of the team when needed and that is why we are where we are. When the club put up a statue of KM I hope it’s a double one with Morsy. [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 15:43]
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| Where does Morsy rank on 17:02 - Sep 24 with 1275 views | ronnyd |
| Where does Morsy rank on 11:37 - Sep 24 by Reus30 |
Recency bias plays a part here and Sam is a legend in his own right.
Got to be Holland for me and I don't think he wanted to leave at the time either but was forced due to admin... He would have been here until his was done I think.
Shout out to JDV too. Some defender he was.
I did LOL when reading that list of captains. Forgot about Carlos and Norris. Strange times. |
Carlos being constantly played out of position by MM didn't help his confidence. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 17:06 - Sep 24 with 1256 views | positivity |
| Where does Morsy rank on 15:41 - Sep 24 by CopfordBlue |
I can’t compare him to Baxter or Nelson as they are before my time but I consider Morsy to be the most important and best captain we’ve had in the near 50 years I’ve supported us.
Mills is a legend and his record of captaining us to two major trophies dwarfs what any other captain has achieved. Holland was a great player for us, an excellent role model and a real ambassador for the club. However, I think we’d still have achieved most of what we did during their periods as captains if they were playing in those teams but not as the skipper. For me without Morsy’s leadership we would not have achieved either promotion. He is the embodiment of what McKenna wants and expects on the pitch. He has squeezed that extra 5% out of the team when needed and that is why we are where we are. When the club put up a statue of KM I hope it’s a double one with Morsy. [Post edited 24 Sep 2024 15:43]
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one thing cook got right was his dogged pursuit of morsy and persuading ashton et al of his importance to the project.
obviously mckenna used him far better, but he may not have come through the door without cook. | |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 17:32 - Sep 24 with 1203 views | MK1 |
Mills
Nelson
Holland
Morsy
Baxter
Butcher
Magilton
Chambers
De Vos
Linighan |  |
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| Where does Morsy rank on 21:27 - Sep 24 with 1117 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Where does Morsy rank on 12:36 - Sep 24 by dirtyboy |
I think we need to create some criteria.
If you were drunk and your wife wanted sex with you, and one of these captains just so happened to be in the room with you, which one would you want there?
I think Holland would tuck you up in bed and then simply sit by the bedside consoling your wife with kind words and she'd simply forget the whole episode ever happened. You'd wake, there'd be toast and orange juice on the bedside table and a note saying "see you at training for 10 champ".
Magilton will be shouting at you from a safe distance, pointing in various directions, always calm but that firm Northern Irish accent having enough edge to know he means business....ultimately, i'd probably flounder adnt the player manager would sub himself in to finish the job.
Chambers would rally, he'd really be great, but I feel my performance would be under par, through no fault of his, but simply because i'm not good enough, he'd then give her written instructions with additional resources to finish the job herself, before fist pumping her at the very end after what was a dire effort, but he could celebrate a great final few moments.
Morsy would be dragging me on the bed, softly spoken but with enough agression detected to know if I didn't perk up, i'd be taking a hit pretty soon, knowing my lack of ability, he'd probably take a deep breath and take his finger and thumb to guide me to my target, dragging this wet lump of lard to the very end of what I was physically capable of before applauding my achievement and making me feel like a million dollars.
Mick Mills i'm not sure on, don't remember him as a captain, but having listened to him on the radio, I suspect he'd spend a good two hours telling my wife how bad I was and she needed to bring in more quality earlier on. |
Ah, so that's how you got your username!
Dirty boy! | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 15:56 - Sep 25 with 918 views | Blue_In_Boston |
To me you have to judge what players have done at the highest level. Yes, Morsy has and is doing a fantastic job but it doesn't compare (yet).
What I'm trying to put into words is that Chaplin is no John Wark despite plenty of goals from midfield, the level it has been done at is inferior. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 17:19 - Sep 25 with 851 views | jungleboy |
It was amazing how many key goals Mick Mills scored for Town - Liverpool in the cup, the Semi final V West Brom, and Real Madrid in the UEFA Cup. And he was Captain of England in the 1982 World Cup.
And don't forget Morsy's goal away at Milton Keynes that started our great winning run out of League 1.
In our best ever team that won the League in 1962, Andy Nelson was the captain but there were some other very influential players - John Elsworthy, Ray Crawford and Billy Baxter as examples.
But it was Billy Baxter who was the rock in our defence that got us back into the top division in 1968, so he would get my vote as the Town's top captain, with Mills second and Morsy third. | | | |
| Where does Morsy rank on 18:22 - Sep 25 with 819 views | RadioOrwell |
People only really understand their lived experience and as an old, my experience of Town with Morsy is only just behind 78’ and 81’ |  | | |
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