| Johnson and both CB’s very poor 16:33 - Oct 5 with 7578 views | Blooos |
Johnson doesn’t look like he’s ever played football before, O’Shea and Greaves need to learn how to mark someone in the box, awful. |  | | |  |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:31 - Oct 5 with 1808 views | Churchman |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 16:56 - Oct 5 by pointofblue |
I was following Town but can't remember - who did Taricco replace? Did he still appear an upgrade despite his early issues? |
No. Taricco was terrible early on but once he settled he became one of the best full backs to play for this club.
Not seen the game so not going to comment on individuals but as a general point, not every signing is going to be successful. It’s just how it is.
The gulf between PL and Championship is a country mile. Of the signings, Delap, Hutchinson, Clarke, Greaves will be fine. Phillips and Tuanzebe can obviously play at this level. The rest? Well time will tell. The club had to do its best to back KM and give ourselves a chance. It did, so let’s see how it goes.
Today? Very disappointed. I thought we’d compete against an average PL team. We didn’t. It wont be the only time this season we get a hiding either, but that’s just how it is.
Downhearted? No. Never forget how far we’ve come in such a short time. Things will improve.
In the meantime I’ll leave the forum to the bedsheet brigade for a few days. They’ll be out in force as they always are after disappointment. On you come, Elephant. The stage is all yours. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 17:44]
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:33 - Oct 5 with 1800 views | HemelBlue |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:26 - Oct 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Interesting you should say that about Johnson. He played 8 minutes of football 2 weeks ago and hasn't played since 28 August otherwise. has he? |
Agree. We’re asking players to come in / come back and straight away play away at west ham. This is not Preston or Rotherham anymore. They won in Europe and can attract top players to London. Teams that stay up have days like this but we’re whinging and saying players ‘can’t play football’. This whole thread is tin pot. Embarrassing that some of you call yourself fans. Stick with the team, stick with the manager, stick with the club. They have earnt it. Give your head a wobble. | | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:33 - Oct 5 with 1795 views | Wickets |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 16:39 - Oct 5 by gtsb1966 |
Johnson isn't very good nor is O'Shea and Muric is an accident waiting to happen but because KM wanted them it's OK. KM hasn't done much wrong ,if anything, since he has been here apart from wasting good money on 2 of those 3 signings. All 3 of them aren't good enough . |
Quite honestly that is plain ridiculous! |  | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:34 - Oct 5 with 1774 views | pointofblue |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:27 - Oct 5 by gtsb1966 |
Your O'Shea comment. What are you going on about? |
Woolfenden has been a boo boy target for much of his time here. Not fast enough, not good enough aerially, not physical enough. Quite a few who were on that bandwagon are now saying O'Shea is a clear upgrade on those attributes, which dilutes the criticism of him somewhat. However, those who were defensive of Woolfenden's performance, yes, me included, are now pointing out it doesn't seem like O'Shea is an upgrade in terms.of physicality or heading ability, at least, perhaps more vociferously than otherwise would be the case. | |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:42 - Oct 5 with 1731 views | gtsb1966 |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:33 - Oct 5 by Wickets |
Quite honestly that is plain ridiculous! |
In what way? [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 17:42]
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:48 - Oct 5 with 1696 views | TractorWood |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 16:55 - Oct 5 by LankHenners |
Think Greaves has looked alright but as a unit we look a bit shaky and seem to get a bit deer in headlights when the other team comes at us with pace. Obviously we did ok against Brighton and looked solid but think in that game we were more set in and conceded that we had to do that almost all game.
Today we were trying to impose ourselves a bit more but made too many mistakes, lost possession too easily etc. and had them running at us when we weren't set up in a defensive block so they cut through too easily. |
Agree apart from Greaves started very poorly today.
Tbh everyone looked like they had 8 pints last night. Sluggish, no zip. |  |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:03 - Oct 5 with 1636 views | LankHenners |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:48 - Oct 5 by TractorWood |
Agree apart from Greaves started very poorly today.
Tbh everyone looked like they had 8 pints last night. Sluggish, no zip. |
Yeah he did but generally thought he stood up to their attackers the best and got the blocks/headers etc. in more effectively than anyone else.
Davis had almost no help from Clarke and Phillips had a tough game on that side as well, Johnson obviously had a shocker and I think I'm just about in the camp that questions whether O'Shea is so much better that he's deserved to replace Woolfenden.
Conceding such a crap goal so soon after the restart seemed to knock the stuffing right out of us and give West Ham a lot of confidence, the contest ended then pretty much. |  |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:21 - Oct 5 with 1568 views | TractorWood |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:03 - Oct 5 by LankHenners |
Yeah he did but generally thought he stood up to their attackers the best and got the blocks/headers etc. in more effectively than anyone else.
Davis had almost no help from Clarke and Phillips had a tough game on that side as well, Johnson obviously had a shocker and I think I'm just about in the camp that questions whether O'Shea is so much better that he's deserved to replace Woolfenden.
Conceding such a crap goal so soon after the restart seemed to knock the stuffing right out of us and give West Ham a lot of confidence, the contest ended then pretty much. |
Clarke and Burns weren't really in the game. Johnson had a howler. I thought the game needed half time changes as the signs and cracks were glaringly obvious, even from my ridiculous view behind the running track! | |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:33 - Oct 5 with 1533 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Someone needs to honestly explain to me how Woolf could do any worse. Phenomenal how he lost the shirt for no actual reason | | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:37 - Oct 5 with 1523 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:33 - Oct 5 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Someone needs to honestly explain to me how Woolf could do any worse. Phenomenal how he lost the shirt for no actual reason |
I think he would allow us to play out with more confidence as well as offering an extra man stepping into midfield. Id have him back in next time out. | | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:38 - Oct 5 with 1510 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:23 - Oct 5 by pointofblue |
I agree. Yes, the players were wanted by McKenna but Muric and Johnson are getting plenty of criticism despite this. O'Shea is being given breathing space by most (not all) because of who he isn't rather than is - though any criticism he is getting is those who liked Woolfenden making negative comparisons between the two. |
You keep throwing that line about wolfy. Despite most replying to you that it has nothing to do with wolfy himself and more that mckenna brought in o shea for what he sees as an upgrade on wolfy. Now personally I o ly saw upto ht today. And oshea looked ropey as fk in that first half along with most so I wouldn't begrudge any changes if the 2nd half was at bad as the first at the back. |  |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:52 - Oct 5 with 1488 views | pointofblue |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 18:38 - Oct 5 by FrimleyBlue |
You keep throwing that line about wolfy. Despite most replying to you that it has nothing to do with wolfy himself and more that mckenna brought in o shea for what he sees as an upgrade on wolfy. Now personally I o ly saw upto ht today. And oshea looked ropey as fk in that first half along with most so I wouldn't begrudge any changes if the 2nd half was at bad as the first at the back. |
In fairness to O'Shea, he had no support from his right today. | |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 19:39 - Oct 5 with 1403 views | MattinLondon |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 16:39 - Oct 5 by gtsb1966 |
Johnson isn't very good nor is O'Shea and Muric is an accident waiting to happen but because KM wanted them it's OK. KM hasn't done much wrong ,if anything, since he has been here apart from wasting good money on 2 of those 3 signings. All 3 of them aren't good enough . |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 19:49 - Oct 5 with 1378 views | gtsb1966 |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 19:39 - Oct 5 by MattinLondon |
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So which one has done enough for you to think they are premier quality and why? | | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 19:56 - Oct 5 with 1347 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 19:49 - Oct 5 by gtsb1966 |
So which one has done enough for you to think they are premier quality and why? |
Muric and O'Shea aren't premier league quality by definition. Look at their CV | | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 20:02 - Oct 5 with 1335 views | warky_1970 |
Johnson clearly is not a very good defender. A bit like Davis.
Spoke to a few West Ham fans after and on train home and they were all surprised that we had him playing at RB. They all said play him MF and you’ll be fine. Play him at RB and you’ll regret it. |  | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 20:06 - Oct 5 with 1319 views | Ryorry |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:23 - Oct 5 by gtsb1966 |
Do you not think that KM agreed to sign 25m worth of players? |
I don't know if you're being deliberately disingenuous or just failing to pick up the obvious point.
What I was objecting to was you implying that nobody had criticised those players because it was KM who'd bought them, & according to your post, he cannot do any wrong in the eyes of all forum posters because of the previous miracles he's wrought at ITFC. |  |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 21:57 - Oct 5 with 1169 views | crouchendyachtclub |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:48 - Oct 5 by TractorWood |
Agree apart from Greaves started very poorly today.
Tbh everyone looked like they had 8 pints last night. Sluggish, no zip. |
I’d say he continued pretty poorly too. Was pretty consistently second best to Antonio who just bullied him. He missed a free header at the other end too so all in all a bad day at the office for him.
Johnson came across as playing scared, the mistake for their second clearly got to him and his mentality switched to don’t mess up again rather than play your game and it just didn’t work.
Kudus, Antonio and Wan-Bissaka all showed up for them today, it wasn’t men against boys but it was definitely a lesson in what happens when we make silly mistakes. | | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 23:27 - Oct 5 with 1088 views | skinnybob72 |
I’m assuming Johnson was charged the same £30 as we were to watch the game today? | | | |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 04:44 - Oct 6 with 942 views | pointofblue |
What's interesting to me is, I think it was McKenna's post match interview report, Phil commented that our run of draws has been built on defensive solidarity but I'd disagree. We rode our luck massively at Brighton, defensively we were a shambles more than once at Southampton, conceding one and Villa netted twice against us, again breaking through easily. The only game out of the four where we've looked reasonably solid, IMO, was Fulham. | |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 06:41 - Oct 6 with 909 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Diddums. Isn’t ‘your’ football team winning every game? Let’s get you some more toys.
On the other hand instead of talking rubbish and acting like a spoilt child just look at what you are whinging about.
An unwanted West Ham reserve signed on a ‘free’ at huge expense, a Hull defender who has not a huge amount of experience at the Prem level and two relegated Burnley players flung together with the club’s poorest defender (Davis) and asked to get on with it - effectively jettisoning two years of cohesion and know how (quietly forgetting idiots wanted most of the defence jettisoned last year as well)
If you’re deluded you ´trust in McKenna’ and think things will improve. Which they probably will anyway if he plays Walton and Woolfy.
And if you’re sane, you’d expect strangers to play like strangers until they get to know each other - and what they’re up against. And even then 17th (ie pretty awful) will do. | |
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| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 08:45 - Oct 6 with 820 views | Wickets |
| Johnson and both CB’s very poor on 17:42 - Oct 5 by gtsb1966 |
In what way? [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 17:42]
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If you read my thread, A slightly different view , you might be able to deduct why I think your comments are ridiculous. | | | |
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