| Will Muric ever learn? 10:28 - Oct 7 with 4137 views | cressi |
When to get rid and not play stupid dangerous balls . It has been going on since the friendlies every game almost. I do wonder if he can wise up quickly enough or we will be in trouble. Yes a great shot stopper but his a major concern liability wise a co*k up most games guaranteed. |  | | |  |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:38 - Oct 7 with 3418 views | ArnieM |
Unfortunately I have my doubts. He's a seasoned international znd thus was a problem when he was at Burnley, I believe.
He hadn't our primary GK target was he, and I do wonder if we decided to go for him because we couldn't get who we wanted.
We havent made many acquisitions in this sumnmer window that haven't quite hit the levels we'd hoped for. Muric may come good, but I'm sadly not convinced it will. McKenna may have a decision to make. |  |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:42 - Oct 7 with 3388 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
That pass was utterly insane. I actually think it changed the game as well. West Ham got back on top after that moment. I've watched a lot of Muric over the last few years and even at youth level. I cant believe what I'm seeing with his feet. He has legitimately been the best keeper I've seen at any level with his feet maybe aside from Ederson.
That's also why we shouldn't give up on him yet. His shot stopping has been good in the most part. Made a super save on Saturday from a header low to his right. If he can sort is his kicking out he will be a more than capable keeper for us. |  |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:43 - Oct 7 with 3379 views | RobTheMonk |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:38 - Oct 7 by ArnieM |
Unfortunately I have my doubts. He's a seasoned international znd thus was a problem when he was at Burnley, I believe.
He hadn't our primary GK target was he, and I do wonder if we decided to go for him because we couldn't get who we wanted.
We havent made many acquisitions in this sumnmer window that haven't quite hit the levels we'd hoped for. Muric may come good, but I'm sadly not convinced it will. McKenna may have a decision to make. |
He doesn't feel like a complete upgrade on Hladky to me as of yet.
Muric has his positives; owns his box, good shot stopper and can see a pass.
However, some of his passing has been really bad. I'm still in the camp of Hladky should have had a contract and started as our number 1. [Post edited 7 Oct 2024 10:44]
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:52 - Oct 7 with 3287 views | Vegtablue |
I don't remember him having a moment against Brighton or Fulham. Did he have one against Villa? I know some were annoyed he didn't try to intercept the cross for Watkins but IMO he would have put himself in no man's land, such was the bend and pace of the delivery, like when he went for the cross on Saturday that Kudus headed onto the post. Did he have one against Southampton?
He had a terrible two minutes between 38' and 40' against West Ham, where it felt like the team had placed a bet on conceding such were the decisions so self-destructive, and Man City was as bad as debuts come, but that's it to my memory. His passing in the other games has been ropey at times but not dangerous.
Greaves had a phenomenal debut, the opposite of Muric, and has since made a similar amount of costly errors IMO, largely with little-to-no comment. I'm very happy we signed him, for the record. O'Shea has closely matched Greaves in his performances since joining the team, with very loud comment. In my opinion this all demonstrates the importance of a good first impression, alongside the importance of which player in the team you replace. | | | |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:35 - Oct 7 with 3110 views | SitfcB |
Hladky was still doing it in February (Preston) and April (Blackburn) so it’s just something that happens now and then.
But I do agree. Time a place. Think if he goes long on that particular pass we go in at the break 1-1. Different game. |  |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:36 - Oct 7 with 3097 views | ArnieM |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:43 - Oct 7 by RobTheMonk |
He doesn't feel like a complete upgrade on Hladky to me as of yet.
Muric has his positives; owns his box, good shot stopper and can see a pass.
However, some of his passing has been really bad. I'm still in the camp of Hladky should have had a contract and started as our number 1. [Post edited 7 Oct 2024 10:44]
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Muric's biggest problem atm appears to be hus decision making when he has the ball at his feet. Also when he is caught out, his game then seems to completely to pot, like he's having a confidence cruising and his concentration levels total implode for a while ( when he's then making another mistake).
I'm with you re Hldaky. I think his lack of height and command of the box are what probably swayed the decision to offer him back up keeper at this level.
Get Muric's decision making right and his concentration levels more focused we'd have a helluva keeper. Can he achieve this though? [Post edited 7 Oct 2024 11:47]
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:37 - Oct 7 with 3081 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:35 - Oct 7 by SitfcB |
Hladky was still doing it in February (Preston) and April (Blackburn) so it’s just something that happens now and then.
But I do agree. Time a place. Think if he goes long on that particular pass we go in at the break 1-1. Different game. |
And it's solved by a simple coaching instruction you assume too.
He is being told to look for these opportunities, but I'm sure none of the coaches would have said pick Morsy out for that pass.
Judgement appears slightly off, as his coming for crosses also appears out of sync too.
Maybe it's just confidence, but he doesn't appear to lack it! |  | | |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:39 - Oct 7 with 3059 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:36 - Oct 7 by ArnieM |
Muric's biggest problem atm appears to be hus decision making when he has the ball at his feet. Also when he is caught out, his game then seems to completely to pot, like he's having a confidence cruising and his concentration levels total implode for a while ( when he's then making another mistake).
I'm with you re Hldaky. I think his lack of height and command of the box are what probably swayed the decision to offer him back up keeper at this level.
Get Muric's decision making right and his concentration levels more focused we'd have a helluva keeper. Can he achieve this though? [Post edited 7 Oct 2024 11:47]
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"Get Muric's decision making right and his concentration levels more focused we'd have a helluva keeper"
If someone had got that right already, he wouldn't be with us and would be in the Top 6 or even still at Man City.
Definitely a keeper in there, but it's going to take a lot of patience and it will be hell of a call to make from McKenna if he decides we can't afford to wait that long. | | | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:49 - Oct 7 with 2986 views | ArnieM |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:39 - Oct 7 by ElderGrizzly |
"Get Muric's decision making right and his concentration levels more focused we'd have a helluva keeper"
If someone had got that right already, he wouldn't be with us and would be in the Top 6 or even still at Man City.
Definitely a keeper in there, but it's going to take a lot of patience and it will be hell of a call to make from McKenna if he decides we can't afford to wait that long. |
So, are you saying we can change him , or we can't? | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:52 - Oct 7 with 2954 views | SitfcB |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:37 - Oct 7 by ElderGrizzly |
And it's solved by a simple coaching instruction you assume too.
He is being told to look for these opportunities, but I'm sure none of the coaches would have said pick Morsy out for that pass.
Judgement appears slightly off, as his coming for crosses also appears out of sync too.
Maybe it's just confidence, but he doesn't appear to lack it! |
His mind was probably still on missing the cross for the header that somehow didn’t go in!
Morsy showed for the ball so guess he went with what his captain wanted  but unfortunately SM doesn’t have eyes in the back of his head. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:53 - Oct 7 with 2941 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:52 - Oct 7 by SitfcB |
His mind was probably still on missing the cross for the header that somehow didn’t go in!
Morsy showed for the ball so guess he went with what his captain wanted but unfortunately SM doesn’t have eyes in the back of his head. |
And I guess that is the maturity tactically required from Muric. To tell Morsy, no you've got 3 around you and pick a different option.
Easy from the stands/TV I appreciate, but I can't imagine he has too many more poor choices left in him before McKenna has to think of a change. | | | |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 12:17 - Oct 7 with 2774 views | ElephantintheRoom |
He won’t — that’s what he’s been signed for. Risk reward etc. Very trendy to downgrade your goalie. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 12:34 - Oct 7 with 2700 views | SenatorBlue |
As has been said, decision making. Get that right (better) and he's one helluva keeper with his shot stopping and command of the box. He did also pick out Leif really well a couple of times, which shows he does have it in his locker. Shame we stopped doing that, because we were in every time.
I think if you look at Pope, Ramsdale, Pickford, even Allison (pretty much every keeper), they all have that mistake in them. It's the nature of the beast for keepers these days. |  | | |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 12:36 - Oct 7 with 2675 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:42 - Oct 7 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
That pass was utterly insane. I actually think it changed the game as well. West Ham got back on top after that moment. I've watched a lot of Muric over the last few years and even at youth level. I cant believe what I'm seeing with his feet. He has legitimately been the best keeper I've seen at any level with his feet maybe aside from Ederson.
That's also why we shouldn't give up on him yet. His shot stopping has been good in the most part. Made a super save on Saturday from a header low to his right. If he can sort is his kicking out he will be a more than capable keeper for us. |
Just question to pose to people
Does anyone know what the leg injury was that he suffering with.. could that still be holding him back? |  |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 12:49 - Oct 7 with 2614 views | strikalite |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 10:42 - Oct 7 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
That pass was utterly insane. I actually think it changed the game as well. West Ham got back on top after that moment. I've watched a lot of Muric over the last few years and even at youth level. I cant believe what I'm seeing with his feet. He has legitimately been the best keeper I've seen at any level with his feet maybe aside from Ederson.
That's also why we shouldn't give up on him yet. His shot stopping has been good in the most part. Made a super save on Saturday from a header low to his right. If he can sort is his kicking out he will be a more than capable keeper for us. |
That is actually quite reassuring, given the way we play I was beginning to question him.. |  | | |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 12:53 - Oct 7 with 2565 views | SitfcB |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:53 - Oct 7 by ElderGrizzly |
And I guess that is the maturity tactically required from Muric. To tell Morsy, no you've got 3 around you and pick a different option.
Easy from the stands/TV I appreciate, but I can't imagine he has too many more poor choices left in him before McKenna has to think of a change. |
Hladky was never dropped. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:05 - Oct 7 with 2510 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 12:49 - Oct 7 by strikalite |
That is actually quite reassuring, given the way we play I was beginning to question him.. |
When Burnley got promoted they were so dominant he was essentially playing as a midfielder. And he was probably the best ball player in their whole team, and I'm really not exaggerating. Appreciate the opposition are better, and they press better. But hic long kicking seems to be completely off. Hopefully it sorts itself out. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:09 - Oct 7 with 2492 views | SheffordBlue |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 11:37 - Oct 7 by ElderGrizzly |
And it's solved by a simple coaching instruction you assume too.
He is being told to look for these opportunities, but I'm sure none of the coaches would have said pick Morsy out for that pass.
Judgement appears slightly off, as his coming for crosses also appears out of sync too.
Maybe it's just confidence, but he doesn't appear to lack it! |
For the ball to Morsy the latter is calling for it knowing that he's already under pressure.
Part of the issue seems to be that Muric needs to learn when to say no to players who are calling for the ball. In my opinion Morsy bears some of the responsibility for this. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:41 - Oct 7 with 2352 views | Chrisd |
It's a weakness of modern football. Every team tries to play their version of how Manchester City play and we get this nonsense. Let's not pretend Hladky didn't have his moments, he did last season. It is patterns of play teams work on, just suicidal at times and asking for trouble. Just don't know why keepers just don't put their foot through it rather than trying to force a pass. Surely, managers would prefer that than giving a goal away? | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:49 - Oct 7 with 2313 views | Chrisd |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:05 - Oct 7 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
When Burnley got promoted they were so dominant he was essentially playing as a midfielder. And he was probably the best ball player in their whole team, and I'm really not exaggerating. Appreciate the opposition are better, and they press better. But hic long kicking seems to be completely off. Hopefully it sorts itself out. |
I find it baffling that kicking it long has been banned or even overlooked by teams, even Manchester City with Ederson will do it from time to time. It does no harm in keeping the opposition honest and turning them around. Otherwise, it becomes all too predictable doing the same thing, time and time again. Doesn't take the good sides too long to catch on either. We could do with mixing things up more. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:55 - Oct 7 with 2266 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:49 - Oct 7 by Chrisd |
I find it baffling that kicking it long has been banned or even overlooked by teams, even Manchester City with Ederson will do it from time to time. It does no harm in keeping the opposition honest and turning them around. Otherwise, it becomes all too predictable doing the same thing, time and time again. Doesn't take the good sides too long to catch on either. We could do with mixing things up more. |
Agree. Man City score a lot of goals like that.
Muric can kick it miles as well. He did it in pre season. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:58 - Oct 7 with 2242 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:41 - Oct 7 by Chrisd |
It's a weakness of modern football. Every team tries to play their version of how Manchester City play and we get this nonsense. Let's not pretend Hladky didn't have his moments, he did last season. It is patterns of play teams work on, just suicidal at times and asking for trouble. Just don't know why keepers just don't put their foot through it rather than trying to force a pass. Surely, managers would prefer that than giving a goal away? |
Caveat of time/place to play of course, but the reason is if you stick your foot through it, there is a good chance it gets gobbled up by a centre half and you give the ball away. Admittedly nowhere near your goal but you invite pressure back on yourself. McKenna said this himself last season - nobody notices the goals you give away by conceding possession in this manner but it is equally valid.
The idea managers play out from the back as they want to be Pep is pure nonsense. It's based on statistical evidence that trying to play out is your most likely chance of success. | | | |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 14:00 - Oct 7 with 2227 views | itfcjoe |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:49 - Oct 7 by Chrisd |
I find it baffling that kicking it long has been banned or even overlooked by teams, even Manchester City with Ederson will do it from time to time. It does no harm in keeping the opposition honest and turning them around. Otherwise, it becomes all too predictable doing the same thing, time and time again. Doesn't take the good sides too long to catch on either. We could do with mixing things up more. |
We do mix it up a lot - Muric will go short to a Morsy, or lofted a couple of lovely balls over the press to Davis whic put him away, wrapped a lovely one into Delap who'd dropped into centre circle and tried to play Delap in on goal and nearly succeeded but for some excellent defending. |  |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 14:03 - Oct 7 with 2196 views | SheffordBlue |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:55 - Oct 7 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Agree. Man City score a lot of goals like that.
Muric can kick it miles as well. He did it in pre season. |
For the season so far he's made 171 passes. 71 of these are classed as long balls (25 yards or more) and 100 as short so it's not like he's not kicking long on a regular basis.
Of his 71 long balls only 40% reach their target (which is still pretty accurate for this across keepers at this level). So on 43 occasions we've just given possession straight back to the opposition which is why we try and play out from the back.
There is a time and a place for this but it's often when players receive it under pressure that we get the extra man or men over and develop a useful attack. | |
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| Will Muric ever learn? on 14:06 - Oct 7 with 2168 views | Chrisd |
| Will Muric ever learn? on 13:58 - Oct 7 by tractorboy1978 |
Caveat of time/place to play of course, but the reason is if you stick your foot through it, there is a good chance it gets gobbled up by a centre half and you give the ball away. Admittedly nowhere near your goal but you invite pressure back on yourself. McKenna said this himself last season - nobody notices the goals you give away by conceding possession in this manner but it is equally valid.
The idea managers play out from the back as they want to be Pep is pure nonsense. It's based on statistical evidence that trying to play out is your most likely chance of success. |
I tend to disagree, kicking long at times also allows you to gain territory, you can get a throw in, in the opposition's half and build from there. Currently, the default mode is to play out from the back regardless, GKs aren't outfield players they will mess up from time to time, it's just asking for trouble. Play out from the back by all means, but hit it long at times too - keep sides honest.
Is it nonsense? I think most teams at all levels (professional or non league) try and play out from back, modern football is quite boring and predictable to watch. Did teams do that before Pep arrived on these shores? I'm sure there was more variety in the style of play before Pep started at City. [Post edited 7 Oct 2024 14:12]
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