| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too 12:54 - Oct 20 with 7176 views | John_Warks_Willy |
quickly, and a more phased approach maybe would have been better?
Some enforced, such as GK admittedly.
I ain’t seen much live this season, so open question as interested in what those who are watching us week in week out think. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 12:55]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 18:02 - Oct 20 with 1616 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 17:12 - Oct 20 by tractorboy1978 |
I wondered how long it would take for the lack of passion drivel to start. |
Tbf he has a point. Possibly not passion by determination to get going..
Muric held onto the ball rather than throwing long and catching Everton onto he break. Clarke not busting a gut to get back at times. Little things you didn't really get with last season team |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 19:14 - Oct 20 with 1559 views | CrockerITFC |
Maybe, but it's not like we were clean sheet demons last season either. The main difference between us this season and last season is scoring goals and that's purely because we're up against better teams |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 23:14 - Oct 20 with 1476 views | cressi |
I think there is a element of Not good enough players. |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:37 - Oct 21 with 1398 views | itfcjoe |
There probably are too many new players, but what was the alternative? |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:45 - Oct 21 with 1384 views | SomethingBlue |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 18:02 - Oct 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbf he has a point. Possibly not passion by determination to get going..
Muric held onto the ball rather than throwing long and catching Everton onto he break. Clarke not busting a gut to get back at times. Little things you didn't really get with last season team |
Muric was told multiple times by Morsy, in particular, and his defenders to hold onto the ball. I was right in front of it, I saw it, I know what I saw. So talking utter bullsh7t to insinuate people aren't trying enough isn't really a great look. Just a little fact-check for you there. [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 8:45]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:47 - Oct 21 with 1377 views | itfcjoe |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:28 - Oct 20 by LankHenners |
It's a difficult one as we've gone up the leagues so quickly that a lot of former favourites just simply aren't good enough. If we'd have stuck with them and still ended up struggling (which I'd argue we would be) then everyone would be saying we should have tried harder in the transfer market to get improvements in.
Think the 'short term pain for long term gain' strategy, if that's what it is, is a reasonable one, but we could have done with getting a few more in earlier than we did. Don't think it's a coincidence that the ones who did come in early - Delap and Greaves in particular - are the players that look the best so far. |
I think people are just so out of whack with what we see as 'big fees' get you, bar Kalvin Phillips as a loan, not one of our signings has put together a season of PL football in a side that isn't struggling or relegated.
If you want proven PL quality, it costs you £30m and £100k a week. Look at the Everton team there - they signed Pickford and Keane for £25m 7 seasons ago when they were still relatively young players (24 and 23), the left back was over £20m 3 seasons ago, Tarkowski was a free transfer but on £100k a week.
At West Ham the week before Summerville was a player we would never have been able to afford and he's a guy getting a few minutes from the bench here and there.
We had to take our shot, we've done so and we look like we've made some really good additions who will serve us well in the long term, be good players, make us profits, etc keeping faith in the players from L1 and the Championship wasn't an option, physically they just can't cut it, it's a different ball game [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 8:49]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 10:25 - Oct 21 with 1325 views | Leaky |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:47 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
I think people are just so out of whack with what we see as 'big fees' get you, bar Kalvin Phillips as a loan, not one of our signings has put together a season of PL football in a side that isn't struggling or relegated.
If you want proven PL quality, it costs you £30m and £100k a week. Look at the Everton team there - they signed Pickford and Keane for £25m 7 seasons ago when they were still relatively young players (24 and 23), the left back was over £20m 3 seasons ago, Tarkowski was a free transfer but on £100k a week.
At West Ham the week before Summerville was a player we would never have been able to afford and he's a guy getting a few minutes from the bench here and there.
We had to take our shot, we've done so and we look like we've made some really good additions who will serve us well in the long term, be good players, make us profits, etc keeping faith in the players from L1 and the Championship wasn't an option, physically they just can't cut it, it's a different ball game [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 8:49]
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The problem with any promoted team is upgrading the quality of the squad. Most promoted sides will need 10 players minimum, thats close on £100m. Once your established in the prem you can spend the same £100m on perhaps 2 players or 3 if you flog one to the big 6. Its how Brighton have progressed. We need to just stay up for a couple of seasons. |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 10:25 - Oct 21 with 1326 views | tractorshark |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:45 - Oct 21 by SomethingBlue |
Muric was told multiple times by Morsy, in particular, and his defenders to hold onto the ball. I was right in front of it, I saw it, I know what I saw. So talking utter bullsh7t to insinuate people aren't trying enough isn't really a great look. Just a little fact-check for you there. [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 8:45]
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100% this... Muric wasn't doing it because he was being slow, it was deliberate so we could get our shape back.
These are professional footballers. They are excessively drilled and told what to do in fine detail.
Yes from time to time they won't spot a pass and of course they won't executive every skill properly but it happened on too many occasions for it not to be deliberate.
As fans, we may not agree with it but Muric would have been instructed. If he launches or throws that ball and we lose possession while we're out of shape, we get punished.
McKenna is unbelievably detailed as a coach. I very much doubt Muric would have been doing anything that McKenna didn't want to happen.
Whether it worked, of course, is up for debate because we barely lay a glove on Everton in the second half until the last 10-15 minutes. | | | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 10:46 - Oct 21 with 1303 views | itfcjoe |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 10:25 - Oct 21 by Leaky |
The problem with any promoted team is upgrading the quality of the squad. Most promoted sides will need 10 players minimum, thats close on £100m. Once your established in the prem you can spend the same £100m on perhaps 2 players or 3 if you flog one to the big 6. Its how Brighton have progressed. We need to just stay up for a couple of seasons. |
Yep, or need to Yo-Yo a couple of times so that when you come up rather than needing to spend £120m on 10 players you can spend that £120m on 5 players instead! | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 10:48 - Oct 21 with 1296 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:45 - Oct 21 by SomethingBlue |
Muric was told multiple times by Morsy, in particular, and his defenders to hold onto the ball. I was right in front of it, I saw it, I know what I saw. So talking utter bullsh7t to insinuate people aren't trying enough isn't really a great look. Just a little fact-check for you there. [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 8:45]
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No. I didn't insinuate anything I said why those in attendance may have thought what they did, you've misunderstood my reply.
We/they are used to seeing us going gung ho. Throwing quick balls, Pushing forward or everyone busting a gut when defending.
Little fact checking about what I meant would have helped you too. [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 10:49]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 11:10 - Oct 21 with 1243 views | Steve_M |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:47 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
I think people are just so out of whack with what we see as 'big fees' get you, bar Kalvin Phillips as a loan, not one of our signings has put together a season of PL football in a side that isn't struggling or relegated.
If you want proven PL quality, it costs you £30m and £100k a week. Look at the Everton team there - they signed Pickford and Keane for £25m 7 seasons ago when they were still relatively young players (24 and 23), the left back was over £20m 3 seasons ago, Tarkowski was a free transfer but on £100k a week.
At West Ham the week before Summerville was a player we would never have been able to afford and he's a guy getting a few minutes from the bench here and there.
We had to take our shot, we've done so and we look like we've made some really good additions who will serve us well in the long term, be good players, make us profits, etc keeping faith in the players from L1 and the Championship wasn't an option, physically they just can't cut it, it's a different ball game [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 8:49]
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It was obvious, or should have been, where we struggled physically against Leicester and Leeds last season but also against West Brom and at Carrow Road because those sides all had players with reasonable Premier League experience and physicality. There is no way we could have attempted this season without a whole host of new players, unfortunately that meant increasing the window-by-window evolution of the squad we had done since McK arrived.
I think perhaps we didn't get the balance right this Summer between physically strong players with potential and those with enough experience of the division. Certainly an experienced striker would help at the moment.
Two poor performances in a row have definitely soured the mood and I think we will improve a lot from that, but not sure it will be quite enough over the season. I very much hope so as the prevailing narrative amongst Town fans, let alone the wider football community, will be of too much change in one go. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 12:16 - Oct 21 with 1154 views | LankHenners |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 08:47 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
I think people are just so out of whack with what we see as 'big fees' get you, bar Kalvin Phillips as a loan, not one of our signings has put together a season of PL football in a side that isn't struggling or relegated.
If you want proven PL quality, it costs you £30m and £100k a week. Look at the Everton team there - they signed Pickford and Keane for £25m 7 seasons ago when they were still relatively young players (24 and 23), the left back was over £20m 3 seasons ago, Tarkowski was a free transfer but on £100k a week.
At West Ham the week before Summerville was a player we would never have been able to afford and he's a guy getting a few minutes from the bench here and there.
We had to take our shot, we've done so and we look like we've made some really good additions who will serve us well in the long term, be good players, make us profits, etc keeping faith in the players from L1 and the Championship wasn't an option, physically they just can't cut it, it's a different ball game [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 8:49]
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Yeah, it’s a league where you have to put in a lot to gain a little in pretty much every aspect. Said over the weekend even the players who are ‘average’ by the division’s standard (see a lot of Everton’s team) are physically and athletically way above anything we’ve faced before and indeed have ourselves. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 12:29 - Oct 21 with 1116 views | textbackup |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:28 - Oct 20 by LankHenners |
It's a difficult one as we've gone up the leagues so quickly that a lot of former favourites just simply aren't good enough. If we'd have stuck with them and still ended up struggling (which I'd argue we would be) then everyone would be saying we should have tried harder in the transfer market to get improvements in.
Think the 'short term pain for long term gain' strategy, if that's what it is, is a reasonable one, but we could have done with getting a few more in earlier than we did. Don't think it's a coincidence that the ones who did come in early - Delap and Greaves in particular - are the players that look the best so far. |
My opinion is we did fail in the transfer window, whatever we’ve done on the pitch in terms of upgrades we needed a striker with experience.
Delap has been good, but mainly when operating alone. Hirst is ok and can do a job, but not getting that type of player in has hurt us (IMO) |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:18 - Oct 21 with 1066 views | Churchman |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 10:25 - Oct 21 by Leaky |
The problem with any promoted team is upgrading the quality of the squad. Most promoted sides will need 10 players minimum, thats close on £100m. Once your established in the prem you can spend the same £100m on perhaps 2 players or 3 if you flog one to the big 6. Its how Brighton have progressed. We need to just stay up for a couple of seasons. |
I agree with this. Basically, we made a choice between keeping the same side and standing little chance or take a risk of trying to upgrade with or so players and being able to knit the team together quickly enough to make the difference.
I can understand why they took the risk. Players settle at different rates, some never at all. It’s how it is. And it takes time. Last season we were better than the sum of the parts. This season - at the moment we are not.
It was different in Burley’s time. The gap was much smaller and an addition or two to a good Championship side was all you needed as was proved by ourselves and Charlton. Notably, Man City who had successive promotions were relegated. The gap now is ridiculous and looks more so when you see them live.
Do I wish we’d just trousered the cash and accepted the drop from the start? No, because we’d never have known. We had to try.
Some of the players who look out of their depth will integrate and come good. Not all. But the team will look more cohesive at some stage. Everyone including McKenna is still learning. The problem is that everyone else’s team will probably improve too. I admit to feeling pessimistic about our chances after the last two matches, but hope I’m proved wrong. I usually am.
Looking at this from another perspective, it won’t be long before the Premier League becomes a closed shop, or it splinters and the much wanted by the few superleague emerges. The current structure isn’t sustainable. [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 13:20]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:24 - Oct 21 with 1039 views | ReusersTown |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:04 - Oct 20 by MK1 |
Yes, but give them a bit more of a chance. McKenna is known for his youth work, so hopefully an improvement is forthcoming. Would like to see some of those who got us here more game time, but I still trust Kieran to get it sorted. |
I think the thought is that higher continuity would have helped the new players find their feet too, but again nobody will know what the right balance of trade off would have been. | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 14:14 - Oct 21 with 995 views | RobTheMonk |
I think we've been through a wonderful season and a half with what, I think is fair to say, a squad that massively over performed last season.
We've now lost some of that cameraderie. Lots of new players in, lots out and old favourites benched. It had to happen, but it takes time to get all of that back both from a team perspective and as a fan.
I definitely have question marks over some of our new signings though, but we're only in October. |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 14:19 - Oct 21 with 990 views | backwaywhen |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:09 - Oct 20 by ElephantintheRoom |
Élément of reckless panic as the cowboys were forced to ‘support’ the wantaway manager they’d bribed to stay. The question is more would a couple of key additions would have been better than 12 so-so ones rather shed too late through the revolving door. We’ll never know
Of course the team spirit and confidence has been tossed out of the window - so you’re being asked to believe they’ll gel eventually. Not sure a treadmill of defeats is going to crack that particular nut - especially as it’s not immediately obvious why some of them have been signed v |
Oh please do F@ck off you cretin …..Phil ban this clown with immediate effect PLEASE . | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:45 - Oct 21 with 935 views | itfcjoe |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 12:16 - Oct 21 by LankHenners |
Yeah, it’s a league where you have to put in a lot to gain a little in pretty much every aspect. Said over the weekend even the players who are ‘average’ by the division’s standard (see a lot of Everton’s team) are physically and athletically way above anything we’ve faced before and indeed have ourselves. |
Basically back in the day you used to have players in 3 categories - top quality footballers, freak athletes or physical monsters.....if you were one of them you were a good player, and if 2 of them you were a great player.....nowadays everyone in the PL is at least 2 of them. | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:51 - Oct 21 with 927 views | itfcjoe |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 12:29 - Oct 21 by textbackup |
My opinion is we did fail in the transfer window, whatever we’ve done on the pitch in terms of upgrades we needed a striker with experience.
Delap has been good, but mainly when operating alone. Hirst is ok and can do a job, but not getting that type of player in has hurt us (IMO) |
But I guess the issue with this is who should we have got?
I didn't really see many transfers of strikers where I thought I wish we signed him instead.
Southampton signed Cameron Archer, Leicester signed Ayew.....just seems so, so difficult to sign proven PL players - the ones we were linked with at end of window were Broja (£30m), Foster (£25m) and Latte Lath (£20-25m?).....none of them I'd say are experienced strikers.
Guess option of someone from Championship with PL experience like Che Adams (who we tried for) or Josh Sargent (yuk!) but hard to know where to turn.
Think we've been lucky with how good Delap has been to an extent though | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:39 - Oct 21 with 881 views | textbackup |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:51 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
But I guess the issue with this is who should we have got?
I didn't really see many transfers of strikers where I thought I wish we signed him instead.
Southampton signed Cameron Archer, Leicester signed Ayew.....just seems so, so difficult to sign proven PL players - the ones we were linked with at end of window were Broja (£30m), Foster (£25m) and Latte Lath (£20-25m?).....none of them I'd say are experienced strikers.
Guess option of someone from Championship with PL experience like Che Adams (who we tried for) or Josh Sargent (yuk!) but hard to know where to turn.
Think we've been lucky with how good Delap has been to an extent though |
No idea, my scouting network is very limited to the Ipswich postcode.
I’d still rather see Delap out wide running at fullbacks, he’s a bull in a China shop, with only a thing thing in his mind. Hirst should be up top for me (that then limits who we have on the bench to bring on tho) | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:43 - Oct 21 with 856 views | ReusersTown |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:34 - Oct 20 by JackNorthStand |
I’m not sure O’Shea is an upgrade on Wolfy, Muric and upgrade on Hladky or Phillips an upgrade on Mas from what I have seen so far this season.
Whilst I don’t think the amount of new players is the issue I think the new players not performing at the level ( which is really essential ) that was expected when we signed them is the issue.
Also he’s the cohesion factor and now after 2 dismal performances possibly confidence too.
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Muric is massive upgrade on Hladky as a keeper. His footwork may not be quite so sharp but he's being tested at a completely different level. With Hladky in goal we'd have conceded an astronomical number of goals, even moreso than we have. Phillips and mass too! Sorry but you're just talking out your ar*e. | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:51 - Oct 21 with 838 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:43 - Oct 21 by ReusersTown |
Muric is massive upgrade on Hladky as a keeper. His footwork may not be quite so sharp but he's being tested at a completely different level. With Hladky in goal we'd have conceded an astronomical number of goals, even moreso than we have. Phillips and mass too! Sorry but you're just talking out your ar*e. |
This whole being tested at a different level
Apart from that man city mistake. He's barely had anyone actually press him. They've learned that you just cut off the other players and he'll mess things up himself.. see the corner he gave away.
Murics made two saves so far where I've thought wow. Yet you make it seem likes hladky never saved a shot.
I'm not sold on him at all not gonna lie. And our defenders look scared shtless when they have the ball facing their own goal. | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:58 - Oct 21 with 815 views | TractorFrog |
Most of the signings were top championship players from last season. It shouldn't be forgotten that all of the players we had last year were also top championship players.
For what it's worth, I still think Leif Davis is the standout player in the Ipswich team, just as he was last season. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 17:11 - Oct 21 with 781 views | ReusersTown |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:18 - Oct 21 by Churchman |
I agree with this. Basically, we made a choice between keeping the same side and standing little chance or take a risk of trying to upgrade with or so players and being able to knit the team together quickly enough to make the difference.
I can understand why they took the risk. Players settle at different rates, some never at all. It’s how it is. And it takes time. Last season we were better than the sum of the parts. This season - at the moment we are not.
It was different in Burley’s time. The gap was much smaller and an addition or two to a good Championship side was all you needed as was proved by ourselves and Charlton. Notably, Man City who had successive promotions were relegated. The gap now is ridiculous and looks more so when you see them live.
Do I wish we’d just trousered the cash and accepted the drop from the start? No, because we’d never have known. We had to try.
Some of the players who look out of their depth will integrate and come good. Not all. But the team will look more cohesive at some stage. Everyone including McKenna is still learning. The problem is that everyone else’s team will probably improve too. I admit to feeling pessimistic about our chances after the last two matches, but hope I’m proved wrong. I usually am.
Looking at this from another perspective, it won’t be long before the Premier League becomes a closed shop, or it splinters and the much wanted by the few superleague emerges. The current structure isn’t sustainable. [Post edited 21 Oct 2024 13:20]
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The factor that people never seem to mention re:pocketing the cash. Is that what do you do with that cash when you're relegated. You'll have the same amount of money but the pool and quality of players you'll be able to attract will be significantly lower and as a result so will your chances of promotion. | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 17:18 - Oct 21 with 764 views | ReusersTown |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:51 - Oct 21 by FrimleyBlue |
This whole being tested at a different level
Apart from that man city mistake. He's barely had anyone actually press him. They've learned that you just cut off the other players and he'll mess things up himself.. see the corner he gave away.
Murics made two saves so far where I've thought wow. Yet you make it seem likes hladky never saved a shot.
I'm not sold on him at all not gonna lie. And our defenders look scared shtless when they have the ball facing their own goal. |
Exactly, the whole shape of what he's facing is completely different. And the speed at which the picture can completely change. There you've answered the question yourself. Unless your actually stating you want him to stand on the ball all game lol. I can't say I've got complete faith in him but to say he's no better than Hladky is so blatantly untrue. | | | |
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