| I would play the League One eleven 17:04 - Oct 20 with 3341 views | muhrensleftfoot |
Walton, Clarke, Woolfenden, Burgess, Davis, Morsy, Luongo, Burns, Chaplin, Broadhead, Hirst. If all fit of course. Maybe some of the new signings are better “on paper”, but using the old Alf Ramsey 1966 formula that a team that gels is better than a few more “talented” individuals. The likes of Hutchinson, Delap, Szmodics great as impact subs. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:11]
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| I would play the League One eleven on 17:11 - Oct 20 with 3258 views | Steve_M |
It’s a team that we had evolved from considerably by the end of last season though. |  |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 17:12 - Oct 20 with 3257 views | Ryorry |
You'll get "pelters" 😂
If we were to do that though, it should only be for a game thought of as 'unwinnable' - ie nothing to lose by trying it. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 17:12]
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| I would play the League One eleven on 17:36 - Oct 20 with 3162 views | positivity |
i don't think that team would have got promoted out of the championship let alone compete in the prem.
we needed the extra quality that omari, hladky, tuanzebe, sarmiento et al gave us to get us over the line. there's an argument for using some of them more (chaplin & broadhead especially), but don't throw away the baby with the bathwater by chucking everyone out! [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 17:37]
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| I would play the League One eleven on 17:41 - Oct 20 with 3093 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
We finished with 7 of those on the pitch |  |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 20:37 - Oct 20 with 2726 views | peterleeblue |
| I would play the League One eleven on 17:36 - Oct 20 by positivity |
i don't think that team would have got promoted out of the championship let alone compete in the prem.
we needed the extra quality that omari, hladky, tuanzebe, sarmiento et al gave us to get us over the line. there's an argument for using some of them more (chaplin & broadhead especially), but don't throw away the baby with the bathwater by chucking everyone out! [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 17:37]
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Without Kiefer Moore we would not have been promoted. IMHO. Possibly through the play offs, Who Knows but in the end he was probably the difference. |  | | |
| I would play the League One eleven on 20:55 - Oct 20 with 2646 views | seblue78 |
Don’t think we should read too much into that last 15-20 when chappers, Clarke, Taylor came on. Yes we looked a bit more at it, but Everton took their foot off the gas. Taylor’s looked decent. But chappers found his level in the champ imho. And Harry Clarke looks great going forward but could be an absolute liability defensively in this league based on some of his performances in the champ. Plus greaves is a noticeable improvement on burgess in terms of distribution. | | | |
| I would play the League One eleven on 21:26 - Oct 20 with 2502 views | USA |
| I would play the League One eleven on 17:41 - Oct 20 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
We finished with 7 of those on the pitch |
Yup and we looked way off the pace! | | | |
| I would play the League One eleven on 21:51 - Oct 20 with 2395 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
But we're not in the '60s anymore and that team would be relegated.
We're in limbo now, with some new players who are either injured or haven't bedded/fitted in, and a squad of promoted players who collectively were better than the sum of their parts in the division below but individually aren't good enough to make a notable difference to the side in the Premier League.
I'd rather see Jack Taylor than Calvin Phillips at the moment, but otherwise there's no one else from last season who would currently make a difference. |  | | |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 22:25 - Oct 20 with 2286 views | ITFCSG |
| I would play the League One eleven on 21:51 - Oct 20 by King_ding_a_lin_g |
But we're not in the '60s anymore and that team would be relegated.
We're in limbo now, with some new players who are either injured or haven't bedded/fitted in, and a squad of promoted players who collectively were better than the sum of their parts in the division below but individually aren't good enough to make a notable difference to the side in the Premier League.
I'd rather see Jack Taylor than Calvin Phillips at the moment, but otherwise there's no one else from last season who would currently make a difference. |
Agree, but the record signings we have made so far doesn't seem to improve our squad much aside from Delap, Greaves and perhaps Szmodics and J Clarke (if we play them in their favoured position)
8 games in I don't see how Muric, Johnson, O'Shea, Phillips, Ogbene are any better than what we had last season. Cajuste I give the benefit of doubt since he's barely featured so far. | | | |
| I would play the League One eleven on 22:35 - Oct 20 with 2244 views | FrimleyBlue |
I just want something positive to talk about when it comes to the games themselves.
Apart from clarkes chance and Chaplin shot from corner there is nothing positive to talk about that we did yesterday
Then last week. Apart from again two attempts. What other positives were there.
That's all I want from every game. We could lose all but at least let us discuss some positive attempts or passing displays. Recently I've had to get excited when a diag ball reaches a player. |  |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 22:39 - Oct 20 with 2232 views | textbackup |
That would be nice… could possibly beat our 9-0 record if we play that team at the wrong ground. |  |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 22:41 - Oct 20 with 2217 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| I would play the League One eleven on 22:35 - Oct 20 by FrimleyBlue |
I just want something positive to talk about when it comes to the games themselves.
Apart from clarkes chance and Chaplin shot from corner there is nothing positive to talk about that we did yesterday
Then last week. Apart from again two attempts. What other positives were there.
That's all I want from every game. We could lose all but at least let us discuss some positive attempts or passing displays. Recently I've had to get excited when a diag ball reaches a player. |
Bless you frimmers , catching heat for trying to talk positive and get crucified for anything negative.
I agree though there is something in the old phrase "better than the sum of its parts" | | | |
| I would play the League One eleven on 01:04 - Oct 21 with 2076 views | bournemouthblue |
| I would play the League One eleven on 20:37 - Oct 20 by peterleeblue |
Without Kiefer Moore we would not have been promoted. IMHO. Possibly through the play offs, Who Knows but in the end he was probably the difference. |
He was a very crafty signing and served a purpose but wasn't ever going to be ideal for the PL because were always going to need more mobility and running power
Hirst has looked okay when he came on but we really did miss out getting a quality centre forward in this window, as good as Delap has been, he wasn't meant to be the main man! |  |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 10:25 - Oct 21 with 1771 views | TractorFrog |
| I would play the League One eleven on 17:11 - Oct 20 by Steve_M |
It’s a team that we had evolved from considerably by the end of last season though. |
I wouldn't say considerably.#
Hladky replaced Walton, but I think they are still of a similar quality.
Hutchinson played a lot of games in place of one of Burns, Broadhead and Chaplin but if those three had all started a game at the end of the season, it wouldn't have been unusual.
Tuanzebe had replaced Clarke by the end of the season, possibly just because of Clarke's injuries. I don't think he was the better player last season, although this year he has taken a step up.
Kieffer Moore was crucial because of George Hirst's injury, but Hirst was immediately preferred there once he returned.
The likes of Sarmiento and Taylor were perhaps supposed to be starting players but they never displaced Broadhead and Luongo in the first eleven and were just excellent impact subs.
To me, the greatest league one XI in history could still give a decent go in the Premier League.
From where I am sitting, Muric has been decent but only about equal to Walton.
At CB, Greaves is maybe a slight upgrade on Burgess but not a considerable one, and he is out at the moment. Woolfenden is still better than O'Shea for me.
Tuanzebe is clearly our best RB but I would still suggest Clarke is next while he is injured, neither O'Shea nor Johnson appear an upgrade.
Davis is obviously first-choice LB and still our best player, in my opinion. Townsend was only ever supposed to be backup.
In midfield, Morsy is still the clear starting player, and alongside him Phillips has struggled a bit. Cajuste is injured. I could see Luongo coming back when he returns from injury although this is perhaps the most unlikely one in the team.
Burns still looks just ahead of Ogbene at RW but I think Hutchinson might be preferred to either of them there.
Chaplin always looks to improve the team when he comes on, I think. It would be nice if he started more and maybe Hutchinson will go to the right.
At left wing/number 10, I think both Clarke and Szmodics have been somewhat ineffective and Broadhead could well return in that position.
Delap is currently undroppable up front but Hirst does link the play better so he could make a comeback at some point if the goals dry up.
I am fully aware of my bias towards the players who gave us two such extraordinary seasons and there is no way all 11 will start together again, but I can very much see all 11 players playing a significant role, in some form, this season. And I really hope they do. |  |
| They'd all laugh at me if they knew what I was trying to do. To create a new strain of super-wine in half-an-hour with a fraction of nature's resources and a FOOL for an assistant. 'Bernard Black, he's mad,' they'd say, 'he's insane, he's dangerous.' Well I'll show them! I'll show them all! | | Poll: | Who should start in CM with Cajuste? |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 10:29 - Oct 21 with 1748 views | textbackup |
Should play the 11 we played last time we went up. They did much better | |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 11:09 - Oct 21 with 1657 views | Vegtablue |
Gelling is the most optimistic answer to explaining our situation but I believe it overlooks the time these players have now had together, in addition to the amount of continuity that is still present in our squad. The only two outfield players we've shed since last season who had a decent case for being considered in our best Championship XI are Sarmiento of Burnley and Moore of Sheff Utd. Everyone else is still with us. They train and compete with the newer lads throughout the week, intricate sessions I imagine and mini matches against different groups of players. The XI delivering the best collective performance should be the XI starting at the weekend.
The reason those boys gelled so beautifully in L1 is because they were better individually than everyone around them. Half of that side had no business gracing the third tier; they only played there because we were able to sustain a budget that would have made the rest of the division blush. Four of them needed no gelling time to improve the side: Luongo, Broadhead, H Clarke, and Hirst, all up to speed pretty much straight away. I can't remember a time when the Morsy - Luongo partnership looked anything but effortless at that standard. Sarmiento and Moore, two important additions last season, without which we would most likely have finished 3rd or 4th, both parachuted in without a run-up. Moore scores 6 in his first 9; Sarmiento is popping up with a crucial cameo in his 2nd game for us against the best in the division. Gelling wasn't a problem for them because they were being introduced at a level of football they were comfortable with. | | | |
| I would play the League One eleven on 11:46 - Oct 21 with 1576 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Plus of course if you believe that McKenna improves players they would improve immeasurably when given the trust and confidence to play in a higher division. Those with long memories might remember something similar occurring last season. | |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 12:31 - Oct 21 with 1456 views | Stenvict |
Whilst I'd love to see a lot of the L1 players get their chance in the PL, some of them simply aren't good enough. There were certain partnerships amongst the team that worked for us. Burgess and Davis being one. You could see Burgess attempting to play those balls down the left wing for Davis to run on to, but Davis was reluctant to attack due to Everton's counter attacking threat.
We need the new set of players to create partnerships now. | |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 12:42 - Oct 21 with 1402 views | seblue78 |
| I would play the League One eleven on 12:31 - Oct 21 by Stenvict |
Whilst I'd love to see a lot of the L1 players get their chance in the PL, some of them simply aren't good enough. There were certain partnerships amongst the team that worked for us. Burgess and Davis being one. You could see Burgess attempting to play those balls down the left wing for Davis to run on to, but Davis was reluctant to attack due to Everton's counter attacking threat.
We need the new set of players to create partnerships now. |
Exactly this. It will come. Plenty of games to go. And a win however it comes will do wonders for our confidence. To knee jerk into thinking the L1 team will somehow be better is simply ludicrous I'm afraid. | | | |
| I would play the League One eleven on 12:56 - Oct 21 with 1361 views | TractorFrog |
| I would play the League One eleven on 10:29 - Oct 21 by textbackup |
Should play the 11 we played last time we went up. They did much better |
Tuanzebe is injured (Clarke was second choice then) and Hladky is gone (Walton second choice). Therefore the only change would be Hutchinson and it isn't totally clear whether you put him in place of Burns, Chaplin or Broadhead. | |
| They'd all laugh at me if they knew what I was trying to do. To create a new strain of super-wine in half-an-hour with a fraction of nature's resources and a FOOL for an assistant. 'Bernard Black, he's mad,' they'd say, 'he's insane, he's dangerous.' Well I'll show them! I'll show them all! | | Poll: | Who should start in CM with Cajuste? |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 13:14 - Oct 21 with 1307 views | Ryorry |
| I would play the League One eleven on 10:25 - Oct 21 by TractorFrog |
I wouldn't say considerably.#
Hladky replaced Walton, but I think they are still of a similar quality.
Hutchinson played a lot of games in place of one of Burns, Broadhead and Chaplin but if those three had all started a game at the end of the season, it wouldn't have been unusual.
Tuanzebe had replaced Clarke by the end of the season, possibly just because of Clarke's injuries. I don't think he was the better player last season, although this year he has taken a step up.
Kieffer Moore was crucial because of George Hirst's injury, but Hirst was immediately preferred there once he returned.
The likes of Sarmiento and Taylor were perhaps supposed to be starting players but they never displaced Broadhead and Luongo in the first eleven and were just excellent impact subs.
To me, the greatest league one XI in history could still give a decent go in the Premier League.
From where I am sitting, Muric has been decent but only about equal to Walton.
At CB, Greaves is maybe a slight upgrade on Burgess but not a considerable one, and he is out at the moment. Woolfenden is still better than O'Shea for me.
Tuanzebe is clearly our best RB but I would still suggest Clarke is next while he is injured, neither O'Shea nor Johnson appear an upgrade.
Davis is obviously first-choice LB and still our best player, in my opinion. Townsend was only ever supposed to be backup.
In midfield, Morsy is still the clear starting player, and alongside him Phillips has struggled a bit. Cajuste is injured. I could see Luongo coming back when he returns from injury although this is perhaps the most unlikely one in the team.
Burns still looks just ahead of Ogbene at RW but I think Hutchinson might be preferred to either of them there.
Chaplin always looks to improve the team when he comes on, I think. It would be nice if he started more and maybe Hutchinson will go to the right.
At left wing/number 10, I think both Clarke and Szmodics have been somewhat ineffective and Broadhead could well return in that position.
Delap is currently undroppable up front but Hirst does link the play better so he could make a comeback at some point if the goals dry up.
I am fully aware of my bias towards the players who gave us two such extraordinary seasons and there is no way all 11 will start together again, but I can very much see all 11 players playing a significant role, in some form, this season. And I really hope they do. |
Have forgotten what Mass’s injury is and how long he’s likely to be out - can someone remind me please? | |
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| I would play the League One eleven on 13:34 - Oct 21 with 1271 views | positivity |
| I would play the League One eleven on 13:14 - Oct 21 by Ryorry |
Have forgotten what Mass’s injury is and how long he’s likely to be out - can someone remind me please? |
out until at least the next international break, can't remember what he's done, but it's in the latest injury round up i think | |
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