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I’m sure this is not an original opinion 07:48 - Oct 28 with 5675 viewschicoazul

And forgive me if many have already made it.
Does anyone else get second season in the Prem vibes under Burley from this season? A bunch of sexy new players including a fancy new keeper coming in and undermining the ethos and patterns that got us success in the first place? Innit.
We don’t have European football to blame this time though.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:38 - Oct 28 with 1604 viewsFrimleyBlue

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:26 - Oct 28 by J2BLUE

Don't give me that crap. I told you a couple of weeks ago you were slipping back into being constantly negative. Now you've proven me right.

I just really don't get it. It you can't at least try and enjoy it now when can you enjoy it?


And similar to the banned poster you're ignoring the plentiful of positive posts I've made. Did you purposely miss my posts about cajuste. Hirst etc?

And also what I've written in this thread is hardly bloody negative it's not even much of a opinion it's a reply to the OP who shared his view on how this season compares to another.

So firstly I apologise to you for replying to the OP which they would have wanted.

And I apologise you've missed all my positive posts.

But also I apologise to others as I'm now having to do what I did with the said banned poster which ruined threads. So I'll leave it here. But hopefully j2 can take the time to look my positive posts and decide to be his usual self rather than this unpleasant version.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:46 - Oct 28 with 1575 viewsSteve_M

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:11 - Oct 28 by Guthrum

Not sure how short of a striker we are, with Delap currently joint 8th on the Prem goalscorers list, with a shot conversion rate better than Haaland (behind only Mbuemo, Wood and Vardy). Szmodics aslo having a couple and Hirst looking good in his first start of the campaign.

For me it's more down to things not quite having clicked yet, particularly in defence (not helped by injuries), but also in the middle-to-latter phases of attack (decisionmaking, J Clarke/Phillips finding confidence).


It's experience as much as anything else I think we could do with in a forward position at times.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:48 - Oct 28 with 1564 viewstractorboy1978

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 08:05 - Oct 28 by FrimleyBlue

After someone mentioned it. It just reminds me of the Hirst season.

Ripped apart the squad and despite some signs that we were getting somewhere it never did.

A goalkeeper who wasn't as good as the one before
Players from levels below that weren't ready for the one we were playing in

Etc


Our goalkeeper didn't change for a start.
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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:52 - Oct 28 with 1546 viewsFrimleyBlue

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:48 - Oct 28 by tractorboy1978

Our goalkeeper didn't change for a start.


Maybe I've not remembered it correctly then as i thought Bart was dropped ( hirst didn't like him or something )

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This innit on 10:02 - Oct 28 with 1536 viewsDyland

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 08:42 - Oct 28 by NthQldITFC

I get nine games into a season vibes that fans don't have the cojones to cope with a tough start after two promotions and having to incorporate a lot of new PL level players.

Not a particular dig at your post, which is mild by comparison with some.

I also get vibes that I don't have the cojones to cope with much angsty negativity!


As ever with me it's the unrealistic, nervy and naive fans who do my head in more than what's happening on the pitch.

And I'm not a happy clapper. I didn't applaud us to relegation. I didn't unthinkingly watch the dross and accept it with a gormless smile or blinkered rationale. I still supported the club, simply by turning up, but what's wrong with that. I saw people I know and still had a laugh. Well, sometimes.

Fans need to calm down and take it game by game, and stay behind the team no matter what. That's the only way we'll have a chance of staying up. Everything else will take care of itself, and anyone currently moaning about McKenna or the staff (not aimed at anyone posting here btw) is pretty moronic.

Not to say players or staff can't be criticised, of course. Ridiculous bad luck to lose Tuanzebe cos O'Shea and Johnson haven't impressed. Phillips is still off form. Tbh I wasn't that impressed with Ogbene but obviously give him a chance ffs... and now injured, more bad luck. And Greaves! Fook our luck.

Muric is a mixed bag clearly, but in response to some idiotic nonsense about his shot stopping being the bare minimum a goalie should do to set up an argument that hes not good enough cos the other stuff isn't very good atm... well, what a nonsense argument. Some keepers are better at stopping shots that others, quite demonstrably. Groaning and moaning ain't gonna help, so let's support them all. For the record, I raised an eyebrow at his signing but whatever.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:04 - Oct 28 with 1524 viewsBlueschev

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 08:14 - Oct 28 by GlasgowBlue

I’d say we have definitely made the same mistake regarding the goalkeeping situation that Burley did.


Weren't we very close to signing Mart Poom then signed Marshall when it didn't work out, then having seen him in training panicked and signed Sereni? I'm sure had Wright stayed we'd have survived, and he'd have had a better career. Oh well.
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That's a desperate comparison on 10:09 - Oct 28 with 1522 viewsDyland

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 08:05 - Oct 28 by FrimleyBlue

After someone mentioned it. It just reminds me of the Hirst season.

Ripped apart the squad and despite some signs that we were getting somewhere it never did.

A goalkeeper who wasn't as good as the one before
Players from levels below that weren't ready for the one we were playing in

Etc


And quite ridiculous. The only comparable thing is that they are both football seasons.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:16 - Oct 28 with 1502 viewsSwansea_Blue

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 08:05 - Oct 28 by FrimleyBlue

After someone mentioned it. It just reminds me of the Hirst season.

Ripped apart the squad and despite some signs that we were getting somewhere it never did.

A goalkeeper who wasn't as good as the one before
Players from levels below that weren't ready for the one we were playing in

Etc


If only Hurst's signings had had the impact that Greaves, Delap and Szmodics have had (and arguably Phillips). I don't see the similarities at all. I do see the similarities with Burley's second season, but I don't think we had much choice but to sign players.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:20 - Oct 28 with 1496 viewsFrimleyBlue

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:37 - Oct 28 by The_Flashing_Smile

The original poster didn't mention it first, it was you equating now to Hurst. The OP's about Burley's second season.

And I've literally set out why Hurst's season is not comparable to now.


Ha, sorry not the original poster in this thread. The original poster who'd compared the season to that of Hirsts last week.

Tbh you can you say why this season isn't comparable to any others.. doesn't mean it can't remind you of others.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:25 - Oct 28 with 1491 viewsBlueschev

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:16 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue

If only Hurst's signings had had the impact that Greaves, Delap and Szmodics have had (and arguably Phillips). I don't see the similarities at all. I do see the similarities with Burley's second season, but I don't think we had much choice but to sign players.


I'm not sure this season is comparable to any of our previous campaigns. We've spent more in one window than probably every previous one combined. The top flight has changed dramatically since we were last in it. And both our manager and many of our players are experiencing the top flight for the first time. I think there are signs that once we gel we'll do ok. Scoring 3 away from home is very encouraging, as was going 4 games unbeaten. What we could do with Saturday is the rub of the green for the first time this season!
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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:25 - Oct 28 with 1489 viewsFrimleyBlue

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:16 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue

If only Hurst's signings had had the impact that Greaves, Delap and Szmodics have had (and arguably Phillips). I don't see the similarities at all. I do see the similarities with Burley's second season, but I don't think we had much choice but to sign players.


Similarities are there. You don't need to agee. Some have some haven't. Each to their own

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sucysfc on 10:27 - Oct 28 with 1481 viewsDyland

nft

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:28 - Oct 28 with 1482 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:20 - Oct 28 by FrimleyBlue

Ha, sorry not the original poster in this thread. The original poster who'd compared the season to that of Hirsts last week.

Tbh you can you say why this season isn't comparable to any others.. doesn't mean it can't remind you of others.


Well I can say you remind me of a young Harry Belafonte but that wouldn't be close to the truth either.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:31 - Oct 28 with 1467 viewsFrimleyBlue

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:28 - Oct 28 by The_Flashing_Smile

Well I can say you remind me of a young Harry Belafonte but that wouldn't be close to the truth either.


Depends on what makes you feel that way doesn't it.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:34 - Oct 28 with 1454 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:25 - Oct 28 by FrimleyBlue

Similarities are there. You don't need to agee. Some have some haven't. Each to their own


There aren't any similarities with Hurst's season, other than quite a lot of new players. But even that's not the same, as McKenna had to make lots of changes for us to have a chance of survival. Hurst didn't... and we weren't trying to survive... and we weren't in a higher division than before.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:38 - Oct 28 with 1440 viewsFrimleyBlue

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:34 - Oct 28 by The_Flashing_Smile

There aren't any similarities with Hurst's season, other than quite a lot of new players. But even that's not the same, as McKenna had to make lots of changes for us to have a chance of survival. Hurst didn't... and we weren't trying to survive... and we weren't in a higher division than before.


Flash. Its an endless argument. It's completely a personal choice on what it reminds you of.

I've already agreed with the list of things that are different. So your fighting a lost cause here, to me there are many things similar and because of that it reminds me of that season. You don't need to agree its not on of those situations

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:39 - Oct 28 with 1444 viewsPinewoodblue

We needed a new keeper, Serini was recommended to us by Sven.

To my mind he was a good keeper. It all went wrong when he expected not to play in an FA Cup game, Italian clubs have always seen their cup in much the same way Premier League clubs do now.

At the time we were the form team in Premiership up to 14th after an amazing run which included doing the double over Spurs.

It was downhill from there. With hindsight it was the away game against Bolton that cost us, had we won Bolton would have been relegated not Town. Fine margins.

Hopefully George Burley’s upcoming book will enlighten us.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:39 - Oct 28 with 1441 viewsBlueschev

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 10:34 - Oct 28 by The_Flashing_Smile

There aren't any similarities with Hurst's season, other than quite a lot of new players. But even that's not the same, as McKenna had to make lots of changes for us to have a chance of survival. Hurst didn't... and we weren't trying to survive... and we weren't in a higher division than before.


It was certainly evident that we weren't trying to survive that season, we were pathetic.
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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 11:57 - Oct 28 with 1387 viewsbaxterbasics

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 09:24 - Oct 28 by Guthrum

The thing about the 'keeper situation is that Hladky decided to leave. He wasn't released or forced to depart. Simply didn't like the new contract on offer, despite the chance of Prem football. So he had to be replaced.


As far as I know nobody here knows the specifics of what Hladky was offered so impossible to pass fair judgement on either him or the club, beyond saying "it's a shame nothing could be worked out"

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sucysfc on 12:04 - Oct 28 with 1362 viewschicoazul

sucysfc on 10:27 - Oct 28 by Dyland

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 12:46 - Oct 28 with 1309 viewsCBMTOBWMMBG

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 08:51 - Oct 28 by Steve_M

I think there are two very big differences though:

1). Burley had built a team that was competitive at the top of the second division for at least three seasons before promotion whereas since McKenna has been here we've been trying to make incremental improvements in every transfer window but haven't had enough of them.

2). The gap between the top of the second division and the Premier League has grown enormously in the last twenty years, I really don't see how a team that looked weaker against any team with recent Premier League experience last year could compete without multiple additions.

Clearly we haven't got every transfer right, and the missing striker still looks the biggest failing to me, but we made that choice knowingly and the question now is whether we can form new patterns of play quickly enough to compete (some positive signs there from Saturday).


I don't understand the missing striker comment? Delap, if anything, has performed higher than expectations, and Hirst is back and looked great on Saturday.

If we bought another striker, how would he fit in?
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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 12:47 - Oct 28 with 1309 viewsRyorry

Yes, and made the same point a couple of times in July & August.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 12:50 - Oct 28 with 1302 viewsElephantintheRoom

It’s the only time that the manager and club hasn’t trusted the players who got promotion to step up and show their worth in the top division - which seemed strangely curious, but presumably all part of being keen to be seen to be‘Backing McKenna’ when they might have been better advised for sacking him for his overt greed and opportunism

Whilst I agree with your subsequent point (which even Marcus Evans bought into with his fabled 5 year plan). Alf Ramsey didn’t have many home grown players to build his team around - and he was quite successful.

If you believe McKenna actually knows what he is doing then perhaps Forest are the club to cling too. They bought two container loads of mercenaries and still managed to stay up despite breaching FFP and selling their best player. And look at them now.

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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 12:56 - Oct 28 with 1282 viewsBlueschev

I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 12:50 - Oct 28 by ElephantintheRoom

It’s the only time that the manager and club hasn’t trusted the players who got promotion to step up and show their worth in the top division - which seemed strangely curious, but presumably all part of being keen to be seen to be‘Backing McKenna’ when they might have been better advised for sacking him for his overt greed and opportunism

Whilst I agree with your subsequent point (which even Marcus Evans bought into with his fabled 5 year plan). Alf Ramsey didn’t have many home grown players to build his team around - and he was quite successful.

If you believe McKenna actually knows what he is doing then perhaps Forest are the club to cling too. They bought two container loads of mercenaries and still managed to stay up despite breaching FFP and selling their best player. And look at them now.


They should have sacked him following the Oxford debacle in the fog.
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I’m sure this is not an original opinion on 12:59 - Oct 28 with 1270 viewsstonojnr

No, we really were quite rubbish that season, we've shown we can compete against teams who are better and stronger than us.

We losing games because a mistake means a goal, that's the level we're playing at, you could make more mistakes in League 1, as many in Championship games and you'd still win.
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