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So Trump is in then… 07:47 - Nov 6 with 15987 views

What does that mean for America, the world?

What’s he going to do?

Is it worse that the last time he was in?

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So Trump is in then… on 10:49 - Nov 6 with 1692 views

DJR

So Trump is in then… on 10:37 - Nov 6 by Zapers
That might still be the case, but it was after this meeting that Starmer sent 10 staffers over to support Harris in swing states. That peed the Trump people off, big time. So I guess only time will tell how the relationship will be

As far as I am aware, Starmer didn't send 10 staffers over to support Harris in swing states.

In any event, Trump is transactional and seems to me to have a thick skin given he chose as his running mate someone who in the past called Trump an "idiot", said he was "reprehensible" and privately compared him to Adolf Hitler.

So Trump is in then… on 10:51 - Nov 6 with 1681 views

quirkie

What staggers me is he has won the popular vote to, heck.

I'm sure Trump is going to get on like a house on fire with Starmer, Lammy etc.

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So Trump is in then… on 10:55 - Nov 6 with 1647 views

Zapers

So Trump is in then… on 10:49 - Nov 6 by DJR
As far as I am aware, Starmer didn't send 10 staffers over to support Harris in swing states. In any event, Trump is transactional and seems to me to have a thick skin given he chose as his running mate someone who in the past called Trump an "idiot", said he was "reprehensible" and privately compared him to Adolf Hitler.

It’s been reported many times that the Labour Party organised 100 staffers to help the Harris campaign

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So Trump is in then… on 11:04 - Nov 6 with 1614 views

reusersfreekicks

So Trump is in then… on 10:55 - Nov 6 by Zapers
It’s been reported many times that the Labour Party organised 100 staffers to help the Harris campaign

It hasn't - they went of their own volition

So Trump is in then… on 11:10 - Nov 6 with 1590 views

jayceee

To me, it feels more like the Dems LOST more than it was Trump winning. I felt she was in trouble the moment she told anti-genocide protestors "I'm speaking now!"

She tried to sweep that under the carpet - and will continue to do so, but the Dems need to take a long and hard look at themselves. They should start by asking how rotten must an administration be, if they're able to lose to Trump?

I can see that many Americans are able to look away at what is happening there, and seem surprised that some are unable to look the other way. You'll hear nothing about that on CNN or MSNBC - and that is part of the problem. Look anywhere on social media to realise that sanctioned/aided genocide is THE major issue.

So Trump is in then… on 11:17 - Nov 6 with 1533 views

positivity

So Trump is in then… on 10:49 - Nov 6 by DJR
As far as I am aware, Starmer didn't send 10 staffers over to support Harris in swing states. In any event, Trump is transactional and seems to me to have a thick skin given he chose as his running mate someone who in the past called Trump an "idiot", said he was "reprehensible" and privately compared him to Adolf Hitler.

quite, if he throws his toys out of his pram, it won't be because starmer happens to belong to the same party as a handful of people who campaigned for his rival.

if trump hates britain, it's probably more down to quotes like this from the mayor of london

"I think Donald Trump is clearly out of his mind... When Donald Trump says there are parts of London that are ‘no go’ areas, I think he’s betraying a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States."

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So Trump is in then… on 11:17 - Nov 6 with 1532 views

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So Trump is in then… on 11:10 - Nov 6 by jayceee

Not sure i follow. No polls suggest this is the big issue for us voters. In any event, trump is strongly pro israel

So Trump is in then… on 11:21 - Nov 6 with 1511 views

Swansea_Blue

So Trump is in then… on 10:51 - Nov 6 by quirkie
What staggers me is he has won the popular vote to, heck. I'm sure Trump is going to get on like a house on fire with Starmer, Lammy etc.

A bit further up this thread on that point:

So Trump is in then… by DJR 6 Nov 2024 10:19
At the end of the day, the UK has to work with Trump, so this is an Interesting snippet from Tim Shipman of the Sunday Times.

"Twice during Sir Keir Starmer’s first dinner with Donald Trump at the end of September, the former president turned to the prime minister and said: “You’re a liberal, so we won’t always agree but we can work together.” At the end of the meal, he looked at Starmer and said: “You and I are friends.” Starmer’s team breathed a sigh of relief. With America set to choose a new commander-in-chief, personal relationships could define the future of the transatlantic alliance.

An even bigger hit with Trump than the buttoned-up Starmer, however, was David Lammy, the foreign secretary. Lammy laughed in the right places at Trump’s jokes and the former president personally offered him a second portion of food, a moment of both levity and symbolism as a man accused of neo-fascist tendencies bonded with the descendant of slaves.

Lammy, who attended Harvard Law School and has relatives in the United States, is given to the kind of back-slapping bonhomie that goes a long way in Washington. “David gets American politicians,” said one diplomatic source."

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So Trump is in then… on 11:24 - Nov 6 with 1500 views

Zapers

So Trump is in then… on 11:04 - Nov 6 by reusersfreekicks
It hasn't - they went of their own volition

Organised by the labour party.

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So Trump is in then… on 11:24 - Nov 6 with 1503 views

Kievthegreat

So Trump is in then… on 11:10 - Nov 6 by jayceee

Social media is not an accurate barometer. Palestine and Ukraine are not the biggest issues in this election, doubt they're even in the top 3 for the majority of voters. For Democrats it was the state of democracy and for Republicans it was the economy.

The trouble is that over 2/3rds of voters felt the economy was in a bad place. It's difficult for an incumbent party to win when 2/3rds of your electorate feel worse off than when you started. Were most of the economic problems of Biden's making? Not really, but he was still in the hot seat.

Also I think one issue to be dissected was the transfer of candidacy from Biden to Harris. Would she have done better with a full primary campaign or would Dems have found a better candidate? Would have given Dems a chance to distance their candidate from the current situation more.

So Trump is in then… on 11:26 - Nov 6 with 1460 views

Blueschev

So Trump is in then… on 11:24 - Nov 6 by Zapers
Organised by the labour party.

Another lie.

So Trump is in then… on 11:28 - Nov 6 with 1429 views

positivity

So Trump is in then… on 11:26 - Nov 6 by Blueschev
Another lie.

How depressing by positivity 6 Nov 2024 11:19
no point arguing with pazers, facts aren't of interest to him...

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It's HORRIBLE on 11:31 - Nov 6 with 1405 views

ScottCandage

Trump will abandon Ukraine. He has stated it. He's Putin's butt boy. Is the UK ready to step into the breach? Will any ITFC hard core supporters step up? No, I didn't think so.

Trumps has said he will NOT DEFEND any NATO country against Russian aggression.

So in 2027, look forward to the Russian army targeting southern England from the French coast.

Oh that can't happen?

Yeah, I thought Trump couldn't happen.

My god, you're idiots on 11:33 - Nov 6 with 1371 views

ScottCandage

So Trump is in then… on 11:21 - Nov 6 by Swansea_Blue

A bit further up this thread on that point:

HOW could you dine with Donald Trump and not realize he's the worlds' greatest idiot.

So Trump is in then… on 11:35 - Nov 6 with 1349 views

Zapers

So Trump is in then… on 11:26 - Nov 6 by Blueschev
Another lie.

Sofia Patel head of operations at the labour party.

" I have nearly 100 labour party staff (current and former) going to the US in the next few weeks heading to North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Virginia. I have 10 spots available for anyone available to head to the battleground state of North Carolina-we will sort your housing. Email me on labourforkamala@gmail.comif you're interested.Thanks"

The tweet has since been deleted.

So Trump is in then… on 11:39 - Nov 6 with 1302 views

DJR

So Trump is in then… on 10:55 - Nov 6 by Zapers
It’s been reported many times that the Labour Party organised 100 staffers to help the Harris campaign

But not Starmer which is what you said.

So Trump is in then… on 11:41 - Nov 6 with 1282 views

Blueschev

So Trump is in then… on 11:35 - Nov 6 by Zapers

Labour Party members are free to do whatever they want in their spare time with their own money. You first claimed that they were sent by Starmer, false. You went on to claim they were sent by the Labour Party, also false.

So Trump is in then… on 11:44 - Nov 6 with 1261 views

Zapers

So Trump is in then… on 11:39 - Nov 6 by DJR
But not Starmer which is what you said.

Starmer is the leader of the party, he's the one ultimately responsible.

You cant be the boss, unless you take full responsibility.

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So Trump is in then… on 11:46 - Nov 6 with 1211 views

jayceee

So Trump is in then… on 11:17 - Nov 6 by redrickstuhaart
Not sure i follow. No polls suggest this is the big issue for us voters. In any event, trump is strongly pro israel

I think that was a false narrative - but only time will tell. The whole "but trump would be worse" was dishonest and not as helpful to the Harris cause as the Dems thought it would be.

In many electoral systems, especially those dominated by two major parties, voting for the lesser of two evils can lead to a lack of diversity in political representation. This can reinforce the status quo and limit the emergence of new ideas or candidates leading to voter disillusionment.

Voters became disillusioned because their choices did not align with their values. This discontent can lead to decreased voter turnout, which may further entrench undesirable candidates or policies in power - and I'm sure is what we're seeing. Only an opinion, but one I know I'm not alone on. There are many many people on x, reddit, YT, IG and TT saying the same. Some false sure - some trolls sure, some foreign bad actors - but there are also a LOT of young people that have been seeing what is going on over there, and feel ignored.

Also:
1) Trump is isolationist and has already said today, that from now on the USA will come first and the only thing that matters.
2) A Michigan Jewish poll just the other day said that Harris is better for Israel's war effort, and why she should be supported (although Trump was seen as more friendly to Israeli's, is not seen as big a supporter of their war as the Dems.)
3) I believe the question has been swept under the rug in polls and is always brushed aside on CNN and MSNBC, but I see 1000's of Americans angry online about the issue.
4) How much worse could Trump really be for Gaza? Biden, apart from a bit of lip service has been aiding Netanyahu unilaterally - without congressional approval in most cases.

I really think the Dems fkd up this time with their arrogance - just like HC did.

So Trump is in then… on 11:48 - Nov 6 with 1193 views

jayceee

So Trump is in then… on 11:24 - Nov 6 by Kievthegreat

I agree - not the top three issues - and only a minority that feel angered by their foreign policy - but maybe just enough to scupper the election.

So Trump is in then… on 11:52 - Nov 6 with 1146 views

Zapers

So Trump is in then… on 11:41 - Nov 6 by Blueschev
Labour Party members are free to do whatever they want in their spare time with their own money. You first claimed that they were sent by Starmer, false. You went on to claim they were sent by the Labour Party, also false.

HAHAHA, sure;)

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So Trump is in then… on 11:54 - Nov 6 with 1117 views

Kievthegreat

So Trump is in then… on 11:48 - Nov 6 by jayceee
I agree - not the top three issues - and only a minority that feel angered by their foreign policy - but maybe just enough to scupper the election.

But would appealing to them have endangered more votes? Americans are very very weird about Israel. I still feel the issue was they weren't able to convince people the economy wasn't as bad as it feels (they aren't actually doing badly, but perceptions in people's everyday lives matters more than cold metrics).

So Trump is in then… on 12:02 - Nov 6 with 1059 views

Oldsmoker

So Trump is in then… on 11:24 - Nov 6 by Kievthegreat

All the metrics for the US economy said it was booming.
Inflation down to under 3%.
Stock Market - record highs.
Unemployment - record low
Wages - going up in real terms.
For some reason the Democrats didn't campaign on this success which puzzled me.

The metrics above, for the main part, reflects the corporate economy and Wall street.

Those who live on Main street have seen their grocery bill rise over the last 2 years and although prices are steadying, they are not coming down.

Business doesn't get a vote - it's people who vote and they live on Main street not Wall street.

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So Trump is in then… on 12:03 - Nov 6 with 1058 views

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So Trump is in then… on 11:44 - Nov 6 by Zapers
Starmer is the leader of the party, he's the one ultimately responsible. You cant be the boss, unless you take full responsibility.

You mean like Boris took full responsibly for things on his watch?

Don't remember your criticism of him avoiding any responsible at the time.

SB

So Trump is in then… on 12:09 - Nov 6 with 1017 views

SuperKieranMcKenna

So Trump is in then… on 11:54 - Nov 6 by Kievthegreat
But would appealing to them have endangered more votes? Americans are very very weird about Israel. I still feel the issue was they weren't able to convince people the economy wasn't as bad as it feels (they aren't actually doing badly, but perceptions in people's everyday lives matters more than cold metrics).

Whilst economic growth has been good, it’s more the erosion of spending power making people feel poorer. The Dems have in part overheated the economy and now the Fed is struggling to tame inflation compared to the UK and Eurozone (and bare in mind the UK suffered some of the highest inflation numbers in the West). I travel over the the US a lot and never cease to be amazed at cost of things now (even when factoring fx rates).

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