| So Trump is in then… 07:47 - Nov 6 with 15392 views | SitfcB |
What does that mean for America, the world?
What’s he going to do?
Is it worse that the last time he was in?
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| So Trump is in then… on 12:11 - Nov 6 with 1619 views | jayceee |
| So Trump is in then… on 11:54 - Nov 6 by Kievthegreat |
But would appealing to them have endangered more votes? Americans are very very weird about Israel. I still feel the issue was they weren't able to convince people the economy wasn't as bad as it feels (they aren't actually doing badly, but perceptions in people's everyday lives matters more than cold metrics). |
"But would appealing to them have endangered more votes?"
Maybe - and maybe why they tried to sweep it aside. However - if this was the reason, then I believe they miscalculated. I mean - how can so many people be complicit or unbothered by it? Somehow that would make it worse for me if true.
I think I phrased it badly saying "Gaza is the biggest issue". I really meant the biggest issue that was ignored, if that makes sense.
It's true that the economy was a major issue, and she tried to address that.
But - the line "We'll stop the price gouging!" just seemed so weak... I mean - ffs - that should already be illegal, not exactly a winning catch phrase.
I felt a bit of enthusiasm for her initially despite thinking they should have retired Biden earlier and held a primary. I also liked Walz initially, but damn, they got boring very quickly. They gambled and lost. Whitmer had a better chance of winning imo. Another thing that drove me nuts - when asked almost anything on policy - she avoided answers with "But trump..." Grr - tell us what you are, not what you are not. |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:16 - Nov 6 with 1607 views | Zapers |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:03 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
You mean like Boris took full responsibly for things on his watch?
Don't remember your criticism of him avoiding any responsible at the time.
SB |
Whataboutery |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:21 - Nov 6 with 1574 views | Cafe_Newman |
| So Trump is in then… on 09:14 - Nov 6 by lowhouseblue |
nobody knows. with trump you don't get a policy platform and you can't take a word he has previously said as any form of commitment. all you get is trump. who he appoints will matter more. none the less i think we can safely say good bye to all the climate change targets. |
"you can't take a word he has previously said as any form of commitment."
Who was the last US president whose words you could trust? |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:25 - Nov 6 with 1562 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So Trump is in then… on 11:41 - Nov 6 by Blueschev |
Labour Party members are free to do whatever they want in their spare time with their own money. You first claimed that they were sent by Starmer, false. You went on to claim they were sent by the Labour Party, also false. |
Sofia Patel used her position as Labour Head of Operations and labourforkamala email address.
Not that there's anything wrong with it. The Tories help the Republicans and vice versa. It's been going in as long as I can remember. |  |
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| So Trump is in then… on 12:28 - Nov 6 with 1540 views | Cafe_Newman |
| So Trump is in then… on 11:24 - Nov 6 by Kievthegreat |
Social media is not an accurate barometer. Palestine and Ukraine are not the biggest issues in this election, doubt they're even in the top 3 for the majority of voters. For Democrats it was the state of democracy and for Republicans it was the economy.
The trouble is that over 2/3rds of voters felt the economy was in a bad place. It's difficult for an incumbent party to win when 2/3rds of your electorate feel worse off than when you started. Were most of the economic problems of Biden's making? Not really, but he was still in the hot seat.
Also I think one issue to be dissected was the transfer of candidacy from Biden to Harris. Would she have done better with a full primary campaign or would Dems have found a better candidate? Would have given Dems a chance to distance their candidate from the current situation more. |
"For Democrats it was the state of democracy and for Republicans it was the economy. "
If the state of democracy was the number one issue for Democrats, why did they present Harris as their candidate?
The only thing it achieved in line with their objectives was that they were able to witness an election where no one could doubt the validity of the result. | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:30 - Nov 6 with 1528 views | Zapers |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:25 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Sofia Patel used her position as Labour Head of Operations and labourforkamala email address.
Not that there's anything wrong with it. The Tories help the Republicans and vice versa. It's been going in as long as I can remember. |
I'm not suggesting there was anything wrong with it, just that it peed trump off.
Other than that i was just reporting facts, and don't take kindly to being called a liar.
But i've come to expect that with a few on here;) | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:40 - Nov 6 with 1484 views | StokieBlue |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:16 - Nov 6 by Zapers |
Whataboutery |
No it's not, you've voiced an opinion which isn't consistent with your previous actions.
Pointing that out isn't whatabouterry.
Refusing to respond to the content of post could be seen as whatabouterry.
SB |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:45 - Nov 6 with 1462 views | Zapers |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:40 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
No it's not, you've voiced an opinion which isn't consistent with your previous actions.
Pointing that out isn't whatabouterry.
Refusing to respond to the content of post could be seen as whatabouterry.
SB |
Enjoy your day;) | | | |
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| So Trump is in then… on 13:00 - Nov 6 with 1404 views | reusersfreekicks |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:30 - Nov 6 by Zapers |
I'm not suggesting there was anything wrong with it, just that it peed trump off.
Other than that i was just reporting facts, and don't take kindly to being called a liar.
But i've come to expect that with a few on here;) |
You said it was Starmer- that's not true
If the cap fits |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:09 - Nov 6 with 1377 views | Kievthegreat |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:28 - Nov 6 by Cafe_Newman |
"For Democrats it was the state of democracy and for Republicans it was the economy. "
If the state of democracy was the number one issue for Democrats, why did they present Harris as their candidate?
The only thing it achieved in line with their objectives was that they were able to witness an election where no one could doubt the validity of the result. |
How easy would it have been to bring in someone else?
Because of Biden's stubbornness to stay on, he negated all the standard party machinery and processes for selecting candidates. They ended up having to rubber-stamp her at the last minute or it would get very very messy. |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:15 - Nov 6 with 1339 views | Zapers |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:00 - Nov 6 by reusersfreekicks |
You said it was Starmer- that's not true
If the cap fits |
Starmers the boss, of course ultimate responsibility lies at his feet.
FFS! | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:24 - Nov 6 with 1315 views | reusersfreekicks |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:09 - Nov 6 by Kievthegreat |
How easy would it have been to bring in someone else?
Because of Biden's stubbornness to stay on, he negated all the standard party machinery and processes for selecting candidates. They ended up having to rubber-stamp her at the last minute or it would get very very messy. |
Yes in retrospect this represents a fail on the democrats gamble on Biden going for a second term
Had he announced early doors he wasn't going to they could have held a primary with sufficient time and possibly got a candidate who would have appealed better to blue collar America.
Whether this would have been enough i don't know
But hey ho the electorate prefered a habitual liar, criminal, instigator of violence against the seat of US government, who gave billions to his mates last time in tax breaks, who recommended drinking bleach, who admires the mass murderer and war monger Putin and who doesn't give a sh1t about anyone except himself. Not even his family.
It's tragic that someone so psychologically unbalanced gets to be President - he shouldn't be in charge of a parish council let alone the World's major power.
I just don't understand how people can ignore what an utter w@nker he is, including many on this site
All Americans should have been made aware of Italien and German history of the 1930s before they vote in masses against their own interests | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:24 - Nov 6 with 1310 views | soupytwist |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:25 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Sofia Patel used her position as Labour Head of Operations and labourforkamala email address.
Not that there's anything wrong with it. The Tories help the Republicans and vice versa. It's been going in as long as I can remember. |
Patel made some stupid mistakes:
She posted on LinkedIn - that's a screen shot Cheong is posting there on X - which automatically includes your job title as part of the post so it looks like she's doing it in a professional capacity.
She uses the words 'Labour Party staff' to describe the people already going even though some of them aren't - 'former'.
However there are things which the critics conveniently overlook:
she used a gmail address, not her Labour Party one (which she'd have been pretty stupid to put on social media) so she's not using Labour Party resources to organise this.
She makes it clear that only part of the cost of doing this is covered - accommodation. No one's getting return flights and daily allowance from Labour Party funds to knock on some doors in North Carolina.
And then Cheong indulges in false equivalence to make things look worse:
It's not comparable to members of the Russian Duma doing the same as the Duma is part of the legislature in Russia and there's no suggestion that actual Labour MPs will be part of this activity. |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:28 - Nov 6 with 1290 views | reusersfreekicks |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:24 - Nov 6 by soupytwist |
Patel made some stupid mistakes:
She posted on LinkedIn - that's a screen shot Cheong is posting there on X - which automatically includes your job title as part of the post so it looks like she's doing it in a professional capacity.
She uses the words 'Labour Party staff' to describe the people already going even though some of them aren't - 'former'.
However there are things which the critics conveniently overlook:
she used a gmail address, not her Labour Party one (which she'd have been pretty stupid to put on social media) so she's not using Labour Party resources to organise this.
She makes it clear that only part of the cost of doing this is covered - accommodation. No one's getting return flights and daily allowance from Labour Party funds to knock on some doors in North Carolina.
And then Cheong indulges in false equivalence to make things look worse:
It's not comparable to members of the Russian Duma doing the same as the Duma is part of the legislature in Russia and there's no suggestion that actual Labour MPs will be part of this activity. |
Truth and nuance are lost on the MAGA crowd
Viv les fascists | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:31 - Nov 6 with 1267 views | DinDjarin |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:28 - Nov 6 by Cafe_Newman |
"For Democrats it was the state of democracy and for Republicans it was the economy. "
If the state of democracy was the number one issue for Democrats, why did they present Harris as their candidate?
The only thing it achieved in line with their objectives was that they were able to witness an election where no one could doubt the validity of the result. |
'If the state of democracy was the number one issue for Democrats, why did they present Harris as their candidate?'
Am not sure they wanted her as the candidate but when they pushed Biden out he deliberately endorsed her knowing that as the sitting President they had to roll with her.
His wife Jill even turned up to vote yesterday in a bright red outfit. Might mean nothing but word on the street was that they were proper pissed about him being made a scapegoat. |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:49 - Nov 6 with 1189 views | reusersfreekicks |
Yeah that looks unbiased
FFS read previous posts here
But don't makehere and Tw@tter your only news source
Read decent media
Person he seems to be!!
Where have you been last few years
Can't help thinking this is another of your innocent sh1t stirring posts | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:55 - Nov 6 with 1158 views | Blueschev |
Nice unbiased source you've used there! |  | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 14:01 - Nov 6 with 1119 views | reusersfreekicks |
| So Trump is in then… on 13:55 - Nov 6 by Blueschev |
Nice unbiased source you've used there! |
Just flicked through the list
How naive can anyone ever be to use that as a source!!! | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 14:01 - Nov 6 with 1111 views | positivity |
| So Trump is in then… on 14:01 - Nov 6 by reusersfreekicks |
Just flicked through the list
How naive can anyone ever be to use that as a source!!! |
naive or faux-naive? | |
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| So Trump is in then… on 14:06 - Nov 6 with 1081 views | jayceee |
I mean it starts with:
"Before the China Virus invaded our shores"
You're not serious are you? | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 14:15 - Nov 6 with 1049 views | Parky |
Not a lot, nothing ever changes. It’s the same as over here, they’re all exactly the same. | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 14:15 - Nov 6 with 1044 views | ronnyd |
| So Trump is in then… on 12:11 - Nov 6 by jayceee |
"But would appealing to them have endangered more votes?"
Maybe - and maybe why they tried to sweep it aside. However - if this was the reason, then I believe they miscalculated. I mean - how can so many people be complicit or unbothered by it? Somehow that would make it worse for me if true.
I think I phrased it badly saying "Gaza is the biggest issue". I really meant the biggest issue that was ignored, if that makes sense.
It's true that the economy was a major issue, and she tried to address that.
But - the line "We'll stop the price gouging!" just seemed so weak... I mean - ffs - that should already be illegal, not exactly a winning catch phrase.
I felt a bit of enthusiasm for her initially despite thinking they should have retired Biden earlier and held a primary. I also liked Walz initially, but damn, they got boring very quickly. They gambled and lost. Whitmer had a better chance of winning imo. Another thing that drove me nuts - when asked almost anything on policy - she avoided answers with "But trump..." Grr - tell us what you are, not what you are not. |
Isn't "price gouging" just a new way of saying profiteering? | | | |
| So Trump is in then… on 14:24 - Nov 6 with 1004 views | Kropotkin123 |
| So Trump is in then… on 11:17 - Nov 6 by redrickstuhaart |
Not sure i follow. No polls suggest this is the big issue for us voters. In any event, trump is strongly pro israel |
Yeah, economy came out a big loser for the democrats in the polls. With Trump consistently asking "Are you better off than 4 years ago?" resonating in swing states. |  |
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| So Trump is in then… on 14:32 - Nov 6 with 957 views | Europablue |
I'm not sure what the downvotes are for. Maybe because you went against their narrative. | | | |
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