| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job 19:19 - Nov 17 with 2105 views | GlasgowBlue |
Wonder where he will end up? Coventry maybe? |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:26 - Nov 17 with 2085 views | pointofblue |
Going back to the U21s, isn't he? That may be where he's happiest. |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:30 - Nov 17 with 2066 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:26 - Nov 17 by pointofblue |
Going back to the U21s, isn't he? That may be where he's happiest. |
The 21's should be a stepping stone for the top job, which he clearly isn't going to get. Can't see him wanting to hang around the England set up much longer tbh.
Should the FA have postponed their decision until the Nations League campaign had finished? | |
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| We did pretty well, but.... on 19:34 - Nov 17 with 2048 views | Bloots |
....I think it was despite him, not because of him.
He only really had two vaguely tricky games, one of which he totally ballsed up because selected a line up that was never going to work.
I can't see him cutting it at the top level personally and I expect he'll settle in at a totally nondescript mid/lower Championship club.
Maybe Norwich. [Post edited 17 Nov 2024 21:35]
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:36 - Nov 17 with 2036 views | Ryorry |
Great work by him introducing all those youngsters - think he's laid some foundations for the next England A team in 2026 WC đź‘Ť
Today's players look a really lively lot, a welcome change from Southgate's staid sides towards the end of his stint. |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:36 - Nov 17 with 2024 views | MK1 |
That's my thinking. |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:39 - Nov 17 with 2000 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:30 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
The 21's should be a stepping stone for the top job, which he clearly isn't going to get. Can't see him wanting to hang around the England set up much longer tbh.
Should the FA have postponed their decision until the Nations League campaign had finished? |
I don’t see why it has to be that way. If someone’s passion is developing emerging talent, let them get on with it and leave them where they’re at their best. I know nothing about Carsley’s motivation though. |  |
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| We did pretty well, but.... on 20:57 - Nov 17 with 1880 views | tonybied |
| We did pretty well, but.... on 19:34 - Nov 17 by Bloots |
....I think it was despite him, not because of him.
He only really had two vaguely tricky games, one of which he totally ballsed up because selected a line up that was never going to work.
I can't see him cutting it at the top level personally and I expect he'll settle in at a totally nondescript mid/lower Championship club.
Maybe Norwich. [Post edited 17 Nov 2024 21:35]
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I can see him managing at Birmingham at some point. |  | | |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 21:04 - Nov 17 with 1864 views | Simonds92 |
I think in all honesty Southgate would have comfortably won that group, it was a bare minimum requirement. People wanted to come away from Southgate who couldn't quite get us over the line and are now saying we should have given the job to a lesser manager who represented Ireland. | | | |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 21:06 - Nov 17 with 1860 views | J2BLUE |
He was unfortunate to follow Southgate. People wanted a change and promoting him was the safe and boring choice.
If Tuchel is uninspiring he might be the change we crave next time. |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 09:50 - Nov 18 with 1585 views | tractordownsouth |
He did a pretty good job in five out of the six games. I like to think that his ridiculous Greece lineup (after Tuchel had already signed his contract) was a public service.
It proved to the fans who spent the Southgate era demanding we shoe-horn all the number tens and wingers in with no thought for the structure that we actually need some defensive coverage and a variety of attacking profiles for the team to function properly. |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 11:00 - Nov 18 with 1507 views | Dennyx4 |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 09:50 - Nov 18 by tractordownsouth |
He did a pretty good job in five out of the six games. I like to think that his ridiculous Greece lineup (after Tuchel had already signed his contract) was a public service.
It proved to the fans who spent the Southgate era demanding we shoe-horn all the number tens and wingers in with no thought for the structure that we actually need some defensive coverage and a variety of attacking profiles for the team to function properly. |
I think that is a poor argument, nobody wanted to play without a striker and no defensive midfield and two attacking full backs. That team is what a school child would pick.
Personally, I don’t think his stock has risen, and see him back with the U21s for a while. |  | | |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 12:56 - Nov 18 with 1409 views | NedPlimpton |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:30 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
The 21's should be a stepping stone for the top job, which he clearly isn't going to get. Can't see him wanting to hang around the England set up much longer tbh.
Should the FA have postponed their decision until the Nations League campaign had finished? |
Only Southgate has gone on to manage the senior side after managing the u21's
The list of our previous u21 managers makes for pretty awful reading. It's definitely not a precursor to getting the main gig! |  | | |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 13:23 - Nov 18 with 1370 views | ibbleobble |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:36 - Nov 17 by Ryorry |
Great work by him introducing all those youngsters - think he's laid some foundations for the next England A team in 2026 WC đź‘Ť
Today's players look a really lively lot, a welcome change from Southgate's staid sides towards the end of his stint. |
Agreed. It's exactly what Mick didn't do for ROI before he handed over to Kenny. Ultimately as a new man coming in, you want to hit the ground running and know what works, what doesn't and what you have at your disposal - Carsley has given him a good leg up in that respect. | | | |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 14:32 - Nov 18 with 1286 views | Simonds92 |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 13:23 - Nov 18 by ibbleobble |
Agreed. It's exactly what Mick didn't do for ROI before he handed over to Kenny. Ultimately as a new man coming in, you want to hit the ground running and know what works, what doesn't and what you have at your disposal - Carsley has given him a good leg up in that respect. |
I'm the last one to defend McCarthy but you can't just bring youngsters in to the team if they're not up to standard. | | | |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 14:37 - Nov 18 with 1271 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 13:23 - Nov 18 by ibbleobble |
Agreed. It's exactly what Mick didn't do for ROI before he handed over to Kenny. Ultimately as a new man coming in, you want to hit the ground running and know what works, what doesn't and what you have at your disposal - Carsley has given him a good leg up in that respect. |
Lol
Win rates of the last 5 permanent ROI managers:
Trapattoni - 40.6%
O’Neill - 34.5%
McCarthy - 50%
Kenny - 27.5%
Hallgrimsson - 33.3%
Booooooo Mick |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 14:46 - Nov 18 with 1219 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 09:50 - Nov 18 by tractordownsouth |
He did a pretty good job in five out of the six games. I like to think that his ridiculous Greece lineup (after Tuchel had already signed his contract) was a public service.
It proved to the fans who spent the Southgate era demanding we shoe-horn all the number tens and wingers in with no thought for the structure that we actually need some defensive coverage and a variety of attacking profiles for the team to function properly. |
I think he knew Tuchel had been lined up and was just making a last ditch attempt to try something bold
Had it worked and we won 5-0 playing scintillating attacking football there would have suddenly been a massive clamour for him to get the job (although Tuchel was a done deal at that point at the very least it would have stood him in good stead for any future opening), but obviously it didn’t quite pan out that way! | |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 16:10 - Nov 18 with 1152 views | vapour_trail |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 13:23 - Nov 18 by ibbleobble |
Agreed. It's exactly what Mick didn't do for ROI before he handed over to Kenny. Ultimately as a new man coming in, you want to hit the ground running and know what works, what doesn't and what you have at your disposal - Carsley has given him a good leg up in that respect. |
Don’t buy this. Tuchel has absolutely no reason to bring younger players through our set up when he has an 18 month contract squarely focused on the US world cup.
I would expect tried and trusted to be the go to policy for anyone with such short term
objectives. Delap may be capped by Tuchel, but his chances would have been higher in this cycle under someone focused on the long term. |  |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 16:43 - Nov 18 with 1120 views | tractordownsouth |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 11:00 - Nov 18 by Dennyx4 |
I think that is a poor argument, nobody wanted to play without a striker and no defensive midfield and two attacking full backs. That team is what a school child would pick.
Personally, I don’t think his stock has risen, and see him back with the U21s for a while. |
The striker point I'll give you, but the rest was almost exactly what a lot of the Southgate critics wanted. Rice and Bellingham as the midfield two, with Palmer in front. Fitting Foden and Saka into the team as well. | |
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| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 17:24 - Nov 18 with 1065 views | Dennyx4 |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 16:43 - Nov 18 by tractordownsouth |
The striker point I'll give you, but the rest was almost exactly what a lot of the Southgate critics wanted. Rice and Bellingham as the midfield two, with Palmer in front. Fitting Foden and Saka into the team as well. |
But he didn’t play Rice and Bellingham as a midfield two, he played Palmer there with Rice.
Also you wouldn’t play Lewis and Alexander Arnold as your full backs in a team set up like that, one of them, but not both. | | | |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 17:51 - Nov 18 with 1031 views | ibbleobble |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 14:37 - Nov 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Lol
Win rates of the last 5 permanent ROI managers:
Trapattoni - 40.6%
O’Neill - 34.5%
McCarthy - 50%
Kenny - 27.5%
Hallgrimsson - 33.3%
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In your clamour to defend Mick you missed the point. It’s not about grinding our results with old ageing pros. ROI need a continual fine balance of young players coming through to be competitive. They also need to maintain a standard to lure quality young pros to align their allegiances to play for ROI. Grinding out results and not qualifying is far less attractive than trying to play attractive football and not qualifying.
Your stats just highlight the point I made in his handover to Kenny. | | | |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 19:31 - Nov 18 with 970 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Overall I think Lee Carsley did a pretty good job on 17:51 - Nov 18 by ibbleobble |
In your clamour to defend Mick you missed the point. It’s not about grinding our results with old ageing pros. ROI need a continual fine balance of young players coming through to be competitive. They also need to maintain a standard to lure quality young pros to align their allegiances to play for ROI. Grinding out results and not qualifying is far less attractive than trying to play attractive football and not qualifying.
Your stats just highlight the point I made in his handover to Kenny. |
They were still on track to qualify when McCarthy left, until Kenny came in and lost in the playoffs (part of a glorious 11 game winless run after taking over), as you well know
I’m fairly confident that the point of international football is actually to win games, especially competitive ones, actually. But the glorious attractive football played by all of those other managers certainly seems to be delivering some wonderful results so who am I to argue? [Post edited 18 Nov 2024 19:40]
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