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be wearing rainbow laces or the armband this weekend?
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Will our captain on 21:34 - Nov 29 by vapour_trail
Lots of apologists for the captains stance on this thread.
It is his choice.
But is is a poor reflection on our club because it indicates a section of society are unwelcome at itfc.
I donât support this.
Does it, though? To me, it indicates that people are free to believe what they believe, without prejudice. Abstainance does not = condemnation.
I don't wear a poppy. Does that mean I don't appreciate the cost of lives and the impact that had on the freedom we enjoy in this country? No, absolutely not. My grandparents fought in WWII, and I appreciate their and others sacrifices. I just choose to support other causes, and I also don't support war, full stop. I believe killing other people is wrong.
Yes, many others will want to say war is right in certain circumstances, etc, etc. I've had many a discussion on this to no avail, and it hasn't changed my opinion that killing other human beings is wrong,
So it is ok to have appreciation for two different sides, without having to tow the political line. It's important to be an individual and not just be a sheep
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Will our captain on 21:49 - Nov 29 with 2067 views
I don't really have a problem if he doesn't wear the laces as that is an individual choice as others have said. I am not sure if they are doing the armband as well? I did have a problem with him not wearing that, as I think the captain is representing the club, and the club should be promoting a message of inclusion for all fans of the club, and I think our captain not wearing it does undermine any other positive actions the club take in that regard.
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Just have a different captain for the next two games.
Anyway, we donât know if he will/wonât wear it yet so letâs wait and see.
(Yes itâs the armband as well, many players wonât bother with the laces. Also ball plinth and handshake/anthem boards all rainbowed up)
...."quietly stays neutral", the truth is that that has not always been the case.
He inevitably considers homosexuality to be a sin, that's not neutral.
To deny that is being dishonest.
Ok. So if he considers that a sin, that's his choice. It's counterproductive to post to social media with those views, but in the end, that's his right to consider it such. I'd obviously condemn any activism to persecute those members of society, but he is not a criminal for having opinions. The ideal is to have your own personal opinions but allowing others the freedom to live as they choose, without impacting on their right to do so. Choosing not to wear a rainbow armband or laces is not impacting on the LGBT community to do as they choose, in the same way as Morsy choosing not to wear the armband or laces is allowing him to live as he chooses.
If ITFC have issues with his personal beliefs, then they should pick a different captain. If the choose not to, then maybe those getting hot under the collar about it need to just chill out a bit.
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Will our captain on 21:57 - Nov 29 with 2020 views
Ok. So if he considers that a sin, that's his choice. It's counterproductive to post to social media with those views, but in the end, that's his right to consider it such. I'd obviously condemn any activism to persecute those members of society, but he is not a criminal for having opinions. The ideal is to have your own personal opinions but allowing others the freedom to live as they choose, without impacting on their right to do so. Choosing not to wear a rainbow armband or laces is not impacting on the LGBT community to do as they choose, in the same way as Morsy choosing not to wear the armband or laces is allowing him to live as he chooses.
If ITFC have issues with his personal beliefs, then they should pick a different captain. If the choose not to, then maybe those getting hot under the collar about it need to just chill out a bit.
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...."getting hot under the collar", just people stating either facts or their opinion. Which as you state is their right.
I don't think it's a sin and I think that people who do are in the wrong, small minded and frankly backward when it comes to this particular subject.
I don't think it's a good look for the club to have a captain who falls into that category.
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"He's been a really positive influence on my life, I think he's a great man" - TWTD User (May 2025)
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Will our captain on 22:01 - Nov 29 with 1954 views
Will our captain on 22:01 - Nov 29 by vapour_trail
Iâm pretty sure you know the answers to all your questions already.
That's good. I am glad you are in agreement that it doesn't make anyone unwelcome and Morsy is perfectly entitled to decide for himself whether he wears them or not.
Can't see too many people.... on 22:01 - Nov 29 by Bloots
...."getting hot under the collar", just people stating either facts or their opinion. Which as you state is their right.
I don't think it's a sin and I think that people who do are in the wrong, small minded and frankly backward when it comes to this particular subject.
I don't think it's a good look for the club to have a captain who falls into that category.
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You say End. As though that is the absolute only truth. But truth is relative. Is this UK/defaultism in the same way as there is a whole Reddit sub category on US/defaultism?
It's very easy to assume that the country you live in has the only acceptable view of life on this earth. That's pretty dangerous. Just go and look at the sub Reddit on US/defaultism.
We owe it to society to not assume our view is superior and the only way forward...
However. What I do believe is that everyone has a choice to live as they choose. I don't have a right to attack them for their choices, but I do have the right to disagree with their choices.
If I am asked my opinion, I give it, but I don't proactively attack people who chose lifestyles I don't agree with. I respect every human being.
If I was asked at work to support a cause I don't morally agree with, I would refuse. I'd like to think that UK law would respect my right to have my own personal ethics and opinions.
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Will our captain on 22:07 - Nov 29 with 1912 views
That's good. I am glad you are in agreement that it doesn't make anyone unwelcome and Morsy is perfectly entitled to decide for himself whether he wears them or not.
I disagree that there's a neutral stance here, you're either showing your support or showing your stance against.
I really hope he chooses to support it, he's one of my favourite players for a generation.
I disagree with your view that there is no neutral stance. I deplore it when people are forced to take one side or the opposite in any argument. Very often the issues are complex and there are things you might agree with on both sides. Most issues, including this one, are not binary.
Ok, you know I love to bring a controversial viewpoint to these things.
Unfortunately, I haven't got one.
He is a grown man, he can do what he likes. It shouldn't upset the LGBTQ+ community if he doesn't wear an armband and it certainly doesn't mean they aren't welcome at the club. We live in a society where all people from backgrounds, colours, gender, sexualities are welcome with open arms and the Club do a bloody good job showing that through their community programs. This pandering is getting out of control.
Let's all be grown up and treat one another with respect and love and let people have their own thoughts and feelings, as long as they don't hurt others, who tf cares.
Was tempted to put a rant about why bald, fat nobbers like me don't get an armband as ever other 'group' in society has one. Soon we will have an armband for cats.
Also, legit question, where was the armband for mens international day two weeks ago? Particularly as it's men who are increasingly killing themselves. Is that not as important as LGBTQ issues?
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You said that he..... on 07:19 - Nov 30 with 1634 views
...."quietly stays neutral", the truth is that that has not always been the case.
He inevitably considers homosexuality to be a sin, that's not neutral.
To deny that is being dishonest.
You have to wonder why someone would want to âstay neutralâ on this topic. And is not supporting the rainbow laces campaign an example of staying neutral? Or is it maybe the other thing?
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Can't see too many people.... on 22:01 - Nov 29 by Bloots
...."getting hot under the collar", just people stating either facts or their opinion. Which as you state is their right.
I don't think it's a sin and I think that people who do are in the wrong, small minded and frankly backward when it comes to this particular subject.
I don't think it's a good look for the club to have a captain who falls into that category.
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This is obviously the case, as it is every year - people should watch and listen to Aaron Ramsdaleâs video on this to understand how not wearing it is the wrong choice for inclusivity in the game.
Iâm sure the powers that be at the club will be privately very disappointed if he doesnât
Ok, you know I love to bring a controversial viewpoint to these things.
Unfortunately, I haven't got one.
He is a grown man, he can do what he likes. It shouldn't upset the LGBTQ+ community if he doesn't wear an armband and it certainly doesn't mean they aren't welcome at the club. We live in a society where all people from backgrounds, colours, gender, sexualities are welcome with open arms and the Club do a bloody good job showing that through their community programs. This pandering is getting out of control.
Let's all be grown up and treat one another with respect and love and let people have their own thoughts and feelings, as long as they don't hurt others, who tf cares.
Was tempted to put a rant about why bald, fat nobbers like me don't get an armband as ever other 'group' in society has one. Soon we will have an armband for cats.
Also, legit question, where was the armband for mens international day two weeks ago? Particularly as it's men who are increasingly killing themselves. Is that not as important as LGBTQ issues?
âwhere was the armband for mens international day two weeks ago?â
On top of that, the club has done loads with Mind over the years. Most clubs do. Mind are official partners of the Prem and EFL and there are always logos on show and on kits, T-shirts worn by players, events, interviews, etc.
Every cause deserves its place in the limelight imo. It shouldnât be competitive.
Will our captain on 21:02 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue
Sounds like youâre the one endlessly fascinated by the issue.
Donât you think itâs very interesting at the least, even if youâre not interested in the political rhetoric around the topic? If he doesnât wear them I imagine heâll be the only premier league captain not to do so. I hope he does. People get super angry at any perceived or outright criticism of Morsy in here, itâs childish and dumb.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Just have a different captain for the next two games.
Anyway, we donât know if he will/wonât wear it yet so letâs wait and see.
(Yes itâs the armband as well, many players wonât bother with the laces. Also ball plinth and handshake/anthem boards all rainbowed up)
[Post edited 29 Nov 2024 21:51]
I feel this was said flippantly (but I may be mis-judging so apologies if so). However I think it is the correct choice. The Captain represents not just himself, but the team with that band and position. If he can't wear the rainbow armband for those 2 games for his personal reason, he shouldn't wear the armband for those 2 games and someone else should instead.
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Will our captain on 07:49 - Nov 30 with 1550 views
I disagree with your view that there is no neutral stance. I deplore it when people are forced to take one side or the opposite in any argument. Very often the issues are complex and there are things you might agree with on both sides. Most issues, including this one, are not binary.
Well you're welcome to your opinion but it really is binary - you support LGBT rights, or you don't.
It absolutely isn't a complex issue
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Will our captain on 07:51 - Nov 30 with 1534 views
Ok, you know I love to bring a controversial viewpoint to these things.
Unfortunately, I haven't got one.
He is a grown man, he can do what he likes. It shouldn't upset the LGBTQ+ community if he doesn't wear an armband and it certainly doesn't mean they aren't welcome at the club. We live in a society where all people from backgrounds, colours, gender, sexualities are welcome with open arms and the Club do a bloody good job showing that through their community programs. This pandering is getting out of control.
Let's all be grown up and treat one another with respect and love and let people have their own thoughts and feelings, as long as they don't hurt others, who tf cares.
Was tempted to put a rant about why bald, fat nobbers like me don't get an armband as ever other 'group' in society has one. Soon we will have an armband for cats.
Also, legit question, where was the armband for mens international day two weeks ago? Particularly as it's men who are increasingly killing themselves. Is that not as important as LGBTQ issues?
Pretty sure you have an armband, isn't that what the Stone Island armband represents?
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Will our captain on 07:53 - Nov 30 with 1525 views
Will our captain on 07:43 - Nov 30 by Kievthegreat
I feel this was said flippantly (but I may be mis-judging so apologies if so). However I think it is the correct choice. The Captain represents not just himself, but the team with that band and position. If he can't wear the rainbow armband for those 2 games for his personal reason, he shouldn't wear the armband for those 2 games and someone else should instead.
[Post edited 30 Nov 2024 7:43]
This is what happened at Leyton Orient last year, when it was El Mizouni not wearing it.
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