| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include 23:36 - Dec 21 with 7844 views | Ryorry |
Being casual, complacent and switched off when passing out from the back, and the team-mate you’re passing to has a man right on his shoulder in your area.
(Only just seen on MotD; addressed of course to those who defended Muric by saying he was only following KM’s instructions). |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:53 - Dec 23 with 1780 views | itfc_statman |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:36 - Dec 23 by Ryorry |
I give every player a clean slate at k/o in every match; and I’ve come to my conclusions from reasoning and evidence of my own eyes without prejudice.
I do take the point made by many re playing out from the back being our norm as instructed by KM. However, I’m sure he doesn’t instruct players to play by rote, ignore what’s actually happening on the pitch, and follow his rule book blindly.
The point re us managing games better, esp at critical times, has been made by many both yesterday and previously. The time that 3rd was scored yesterday was crucial - exactly the time I’d have thought KM would have accepted a different tack to the rulebook . |
If you coach a team to play this way then their instinctive actions when under pressure will be to rely on that style of play and those repeated actions. Any coach will tell you the same.
If you're going to play football and regularly utilise the "most dangerous pass in football" then you have to accept these eventualities.
Ultimately, it's irrelevant as we keep conceding 5-6 big chances a game which effectively guarantees relegation |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:08 - Dec 23 with 1716 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:49 - Dec 23 by Dubtractor |
Asa and Banksterdebtslave commented about this too, so you're not alone, but it does seem to have been ignored a little.
That opening goal was a car crash tbh. |
I'm also not sure why Burgess can't come across and nod that long ball out. Thought that at the time, but I'm at a funny angle behind the goal so thought maybe it was further away from him than it looked. But seeing the Sky highlights and the angle from behind the flight of the ball, it does look to me like Burgess can come and head that out rather than letting it drop. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:13 - Dec 23 with 1710 views | itfcjoe |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:08 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm also not sure why Burgess can't come across and nod that long ball out. Thought that at the time, but I'm at a funny angle behind the goal so thought maybe it was further away from him than it looked. But seeing the Sky highlights and the angle from behind the flight of the ball, it does look to me like Burgess can come and head that out rather than letting it drop. |
Yep, he looks like he’s going to and then is indecisive…..we can’t be beaten by one long ball like that |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:17 - Dec 23 with 1680 views | Dubtractor |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:08 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm also not sure why Burgess can't come across and nod that long ball out. Thought that at the time, but I'm at a funny angle behind the goal so thought maybe it was further away from him than it looked. But seeing the Sky highlights and the angle from behind the flight of the ball, it does look to me like Burgess can come and head that out rather than letting it drop. |
Yep. I made the same point on Saturday. He needed to just come across and head into touch. Instead he got caught between choices, neither headed the ball or tracked the runner, and from that point we were in big trouble.
He wasn't the only one at fault for the first goal, but that wasn't good at all. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:27 - Dec 23 with 1642 views | BseaBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:17 - Dec 23 by Dubtractor |
Yep. I made the same point on Saturday. He needed to just come across and head into touch. Instead he got caught between choices, neither headed the ball or tracked the runner, and from that point we were in big trouble.
He wasn't the only one at fault for the first goal, but that wasn't good at all. |
It does seem very easy for teams to open us up as backed up by the XG numbers for key chances against, which was posted on SomethingBlue's thread.
Probably to be expected with the higher quality of opposition and slight naivety on our part to expect that we can carry on with the expansive football without it hurting us at times. It's a very tough balancing act though as KM could try to park the bus but people were not happy when we did that under Mick. Damned either way really. |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:50 - Dec 23 with 1599 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:27 - Dec 23 by BseaBlue |
It does seem very easy for teams to open us up as backed up by the XG numbers for key chances against, which was posted on SomethingBlue's thread.
Probably to be expected with the higher quality of opposition and slight naivety on our part to expect that we can carry on with the expansive football without it hurting us at times. It's a very tough balancing act though as KM could try to park the bus but people were not happy when we did that under Mick. Damned either way really. |
Parking the bus v Rotheram at home and v Newcastle is a bit different |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:50 - Dec 23 with 1603 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:27 - Dec 23 by BseaBlue |
It does seem very easy for teams to open us up as backed up by the XG numbers for key chances against, which was posted on SomethingBlue's thread.
Probably to be expected with the higher quality of opposition and slight naivety on our part to expect that we can carry on with the expansive football without it hurting us at times. It's a very tough balancing act though as KM could try to park the bus but people were not happy when we did that under Mick. Damned either way really. |
Mick wanted to do it all the time... in the Championship.
Given the standard of opposition in the next couple of games, I think it would be prudent to park the bus (if we can do it) for those. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 11:03 - Dec 23 with 1597 views | BseaBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:50 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Mick wanted to do it all the time... in the Championship.
Given the standard of opposition in the next couple of games, I think it would be prudent to park the bus (if we can do it) for those. |
Yeah, very true but you can see people moaning about it and the negativity creeping in either way which is my point really.
I'd be quite happy with the balance from the Tottenham game where we soak up the pressure and hit on the counter, but that's dependent on having the personnel to do so which injuries have hampered. | | | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 16:16 - Dec 23 with 1511 views | bluesym |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:26 - Dec 23 by Kieran_Knows |
Am I the only one who saw on Saturday when the kick off went wrong, that Burns decided to run across the edge of the area to get back in to his position at right wing, only to leave the centre half free to walk out with the ball which then lead to the first goal?
Or did I totally imagine that? [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 9:28]
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I saw it,it was just so bad,which is why I'm amazed that it isn't being so scrutinised as the 3rd. For me,the 1st goal is what killed us,as early as it was. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 18:19 - Dec 23 with 1463 views | Ryorry |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 16:16 - Dec 23 by bluesym |
I saw it,it was just so bad,which is why I'm amazed that it isn't being so scrutinised as the 3rd. For me,the 1st goal is what killed us,as early as it was. |
Had plenty of scrutiny but there was just total agreement it was a bleep up, so no debate, arguments or 5-page threads needed!
For the third, the forum's completely split, so it's ongoing, & jury hasn't even retired to their bottles of water & sarnies round the big table yet! | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 19:51 - Dec 23 with 1408 views | bazza |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:49 - Dec 23 by Dubtractor |
Asa and Banksterdebtslave commented about this too, so you're not alone, but it does seem to have been ignored a little.
That opening goal was a car crash tbh. |
Game was over after 26 seconds |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 05:49 - Dec 24 with 1288 views | ibbleobble |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 16:16 - Dec 23 by bluesym |
I saw it,it was just so bad,which is why I'm amazed that it isn't being so scrutinised as the 3rd. For me,the 1st goal is what killed us,as early as it was. |
One and two goals don’t kill you, three goals do hence the scrutiny and the fact that it’s another abysmal mistake that looks as bad as it was by the same player despite Frimmer’s incessant ramblings to the contrary. | | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:09 - Dec 24 with 1243 views | bluesym |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 05:49 - Dec 24 by ibbleobble |
One and two goals don’t kill you, three goals do hence the scrutiny and the fact that it’s another abysmal mistake that looks as bad as it was by the same player despite Frimmer’s incessant ramblings to the contrary. |
Of course it did. We go into a game,an already tough game,without our main striker,was always going to be incredibley tough....and then within 30 seconds we are 1 down to one of the worst collective goals we have conceded for a while. That knocked the stuffing out of us IMO. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:18 - Dec 24 with 1231 views | Kieran_Knows |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:09 - Dec 24 by bluesym |
Of course it did. We go into a game,an already tough game,without our main striker,was always going to be incredibley tough....and then within 30 seconds we are 1 down to one of the worst collective goals we have conceded for a while. That knocked the stuffing out of us IMO. |
Yeah, let’s keep blaming Muric.
It’s obvious, people have mind their minds up on him and no matter what happens, he’s the fall guy. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:46 - Dec 24 with 1160 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:18 - Dec 24 by Kieran_Knows |
Yeah, let’s keep blaming Muric.
It’s obvious, people have mind their minds up on him and no matter what happens, he’s the fall guy. |
Muric mistakes that have cost us points - Bournemouth (1 or 3 depending on your opinion) and Brentford 1. He's easily saved us 2-4 points IMO. So net zero.
At the moment, it is looking like the reason we will get relegated is we don't score enough goals (or create enough big chances) which was not what I expected going into this season. If you reguarly have xG under 1 you aren't going to win or even draw games at this level. [Post edited 24 Dec 2024 8:46]
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:59 - Dec 24 with 1142 views | textbackup |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 10:50 - Dec 23 by reusersfreekicks |
Parking the bus v Rotheram at home and v Newcastle is a bit different |
😂😂 this exact point was being discussed by Fishers and myself on Twitter.
When he mentioned we are now calling for KM to go all MM, and defend a bit more.
It’s Arsenal away, not Rotherham at home. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:15 - Dec 24 with 1120 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:18 - Dec 24 by Kieran_Knows |
Yeah, let’s keep blaming Muric.
It’s obvious, people have mind their minds up on him and no matter what happens, he’s the fall guy. |
There seems to be two main groups on here - one lot determined to blame Muric for everything as their brains only function if they have a scapegoat... and another group so desperate to defend him that they'll shift ALL the blame onto someone else and then patronise everyone by telling us we've already made our minds up and that they're seeing the truth the rest of us can't see because of our prejudice.
The truth, as it usually is, is somewhere in between.
It was a crazy pass to make at that time, with the recipient under that pressure, with the half about to end... and it was a poor touch by Cajuste who was either trying to be too clever or didn't realise the Newcastle player was so close.
In short, they're both at fault. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 14:34 - Dec 24 with 1052 views | itfcjoe |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:15 - Dec 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There seems to be two main groups on here - one lot determined to blame Muric for everything as their brains only function if they have a scapegoat... and another group so desperate to defend him that they'll shift ALL the blame onto someone else and then patronise everyone by telling us we've already made our minds up and that they're seeing the truth the rest of us can't see because of our prejudice.
The truth, as it usually is, is somewhere in between.
It was a crazy pass to make at that time, with the recipient under that pressure, with the half about to end... and it was a poor touch by Cajuste who was either trying to be too clever or didn't realise the Newcastle player was so close.
In short, they're both at fault. |
I’ve defended Muric on here a fair bit, but I think what’s missing in the context here is we were already 2-0 down so it’s not the reason we lost | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 16:25 - Dec 24 with 968 views | Lord_Lucan |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:15 - Dec 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There seems to be two main groups on here - one lot determined to blame Muric for everything as their brains only function if they have a scapegoat... and another group so desperate to defend him that they'll shift ALL the blame onto someone else and then patronise everyone by telling us we've already made our minds up and that they're seeing the truth the rest of us can't see because of our prejudice.
The truth, as it usually is, is somewhere in between.
It was a crazy pass to make at that time, with the recipient under that pressure, with the half about to end... and it was a poor touch by Cajuste who was either trying to be too clever or didn't realise the Newcastle player was so close.
In short, they're both at fault. |
Not me.
I don’t blame Muric for that goal but he cost us against Brentford and Bournemouth with ridiculous decisions. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 16:44 - Dec 24 with 948 views | Kieran_Knows |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:15 - Dec 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There seems to be two main groups on here - one lot determined to blame Muric for everything as their brains only function if they have a scapegoat... and another group so desperate to defend him that they'll shift ALL the blame onto someone else and then patronise everyone by telling us we've already made our minds up and that they're seeing the truth the rest of us can't see because of our prejudice.
The truth, as it usually is, is somewhere in between.
It was a crazy pass to make at that time, with the recipient under that pressure, with the half about to end... and it was a poor touch by Cajuste who was either trying to be too clever or didn't realise the Newcastle player was so close.
In short, they're both at fault. |
A pass in which is no different than any pass Walton, Hladky and even Muric have played to Morsy in the 3 years McKenna has been in charge.
And if you’re denying that people on this forum, and those in the ground (of which there are plenty given at least half a dozen people around me call Muric a cu-nt every time he simply touches the ball), haven’t already made their minds up on him, then that’s just silly. All in my opinion of course. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 17:36 - Dec 24 with 902 views | RobTheMonk |
I think Muric and Cajuste have done exactly what they've trained to do. However, I think it was a bit of a rubbish ball from Muric which resulted in Cajuste having to do something perfect to not get caught.
I'd say Muric is more at fault, but I think that it was also massively naive to play like that at 2-0 down minutes from halftime.
So a combination of errors from Muric, Cajuste and game management from the coaching team.
I do think Muric is most at blame, but not fully to blame. |  | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 17:49 - Dec 24 with 879 views | Ryorry |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 16:44 - Dec 24 by Kieran_Knows |
A pass in which is no different than any pass Walton, Hladky and even Muric have played to Morsy in the 3 years McKenna has been in charge.
And if you’re denying that people on this forum, and those in the ground (of which there are plenty given at least half a dozen people around me call Muric a cu-nt every time he simply touches the ball), haven’t already made their minds up on him, then that’s just silly. All in my opinion of course. |
I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include by Ryorry 23 Dec 2024 0:36I give every player a clean slate at k/o in every match; and I’ve come to my conclusions from reasoning and evidence of my own eyes without prejudice.
I do take the point made by many re playing out from the back being our norm as instructed by KM. However, I’m sure he doesn’t instruct players to play by rote, ignore what’s actually happening on the pitch, and follow his rule book blindly.
The point re us managing games better, esp at critical times, has been made by many both yesterday and previously. The time that 3rd was scored yesterday was crucial - exactly the time I’d have thought KM would have accepted a different tack to the rulebook .
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:37 - Dec 24 with 794 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 16:44 - Dec 24 by Kieran_Knows |
A pass in which is no different than any pass Walton, Hladky and even Muric have played to Morsy in the 3 years McKenna has been in charge.
And if you’re denying that people on this forum, and those in the ground (of which there are plenty given at least half a dozen people around me call Muric a cu-nt every time he simply touches the ball), haven’t already made their minds up on him, then that’s just silly. All in my opinion of course. |
Did you miss the bit where I said "one lot determined to blame Muric for everything as their brains only function if they have a scapegoat..."? | |
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