| Cunha starts for Wolves 17:17 - Dec 26 with 10078 views | forrestsfringe |
They’re going to let him off, aren’t they? |  | | |  |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:31 - Dec 26 with 2613 views | ArnieM |
2-0 Wolves.
Never mind tomorrow well attack Arsenal at will, and show our identity and get a shock win.
I'm praying he adopts a more conservative approach ...you know, play 5 across the midfield and 4 at the back ...make it hard to play through us and try and sneak a break away goal via Delap. |  |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:33 - Dec 26 with 2604 views | pointofblue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:25 - Dec 26 by billlm |
2 goals he's got them and points,
When we go down( this league don't like gate crashers) I don't care, better fans competitive games and not so much cheating fixing games,
We will be back bigger stronger and they won't stop us, |
At some point something will have to give. Having the promoted clubs just go back again is not really conducive to a competitive division, and people will start to get bored with knowing who will go down each year. | |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:34 - Dec 26 with 2590 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:33 - Dec 26 by pointofblue |
At some point something will have to give. Having the promoted clubs just go back again is not really conducive to a competitive division, and people will start to get bored with knowing who will go down each year. |
Its exactly what the majority of owners in the PL want. So nothing will change. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:43 - Dec 26 with 2513 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 18:47 - Dec 26 by pointofblue |
Naturally he scores. Farcical he's even on the pitch. |
The headline should be "Banned-in-waiting Cunha inspires Wolves to victory". |  |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:44 - Dec 26 with 2503 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:33 - Dec 26 by pointofblue |
At some point something will have to give. Having the promoted clubs just go back again is not really conducive to a competitive division, and people will start to get bored with knowing who will go down each year. |
How often does that happen, though? | |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:45 - Dec 26 with 2501 views | billlm |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:34 - Dec 26 by redrickstuhaart |
Its exactly what the majority of owners in the PL want. So nothing will change. |
ATM true,
But I do think us and Leeds have the financial clout to break this pattern in the next couple of seasons, |  | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:45 - Dec 26 with 2499 views | mrshallisfit |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 18:53 - Dec 26 by ITFCBlues |
Why are people so angry? We could conceivably have 12 points half way through the season, that's no where near good enough to stay up |
I agree with you. But a fair playing field would be nice. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:45 - Dec 26 with 2497 views | pointofblue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:44 - Dec 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
How often does that happen, though? |
If it does happen, it'll be the second season in a row. | |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:47 - Dec 26 with 2480 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:45 - Dec 26 by pointofblue |
If it does happen, it'll be the second season in a row. |
So it's happened once so far. When was the previous season before that? | |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:50 - Dec 26 with 2439 views | FoD_Blue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:45 - Dec 26 by billlm |
ATM true,
But I do think us and Leeds have the financial clout to break this pattern in the next couple of seasons, |
Not while FFP prevents us on being able to compete on a level playing field.
Our spending isn't limited by our financial clout, but by a system that is in place for the benefit of the established Premier League clubs. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:57 - Dec 26 with 2382 views | pointofblue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:47 - Dec 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So it's happened once so far. When was the previous season before that? |
I'm not sure if it ever has, but that's my point. Previously the Premier League was competitive - sides had chance of survival. To then have two seasons on the bounce were 17 teams don't change is not a positive for the division. | |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 20:08 - Dec 26 with 2292 views | TexacoCup |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 19:57 - Dec 26 by pointofblue |
I'm not sure if it ever has, but that's my point. Previously the Premier League was competitive - sides had chance of survival. To then have two seasons on the bounce were 17 teams don't change is not a positive for the division. |
I agree, we’re a few years from a closed shop.
The PL probably want to swop out Bournemouth for Leeds and maybe a couple of others first.
If the PL teams had a vote to ban relegation, it’d only go one way |  | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 20:42 - Dec 26 with 2172 views | Churchman |
Of course he is going to get away with it.
As for the PL, I suspect they might reduce promotion and relegation to two within a year or two. Then one plus a play off third bottom against the winners of 2, 3, 4. 5. Then no automatic promotion, just the play off, then no relegation or promotion at all. Maybe bar any club entry without PL facilities the season before promotion and likewise an average crowd of 35,000 or 40,000. That’d get in particular Sunderland and especially Leeds into it. Clubs people want to see.
Particularly with American and Arab owners preserving their investment, something like the above is bound to happen. It is something normal in American sport.
The rubbish clubs in the PL would welcome it as long as they’re at the table. What cannot continue is three weak promoted teams offering zilch because they can’t compete. |  | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 21:06 - Dec 26 with 2071 views | stonojnr |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 20:42 - Dec 26 by Churchman |
Of course he is going to get away with it.
As for the PL, I suspect they might reduce promotion and relegation to two within a year or two. Then one plus a play off third bottom against the winners of 2, 3, 4. 5. Then no automatic promotion, just the play off, then no relegation or promotion at all. Maybe bar any club entry without PL facilities the season before promotion and likewise an average crowd of 35,000 or 40,000. That’d get in particular Sunderland and especially Leeds into it. Clubs people want to see.
Particularly with American and Arab owners preserving their investment, something like the above is bound to happen. It is something normal in American sport.
The rubbish clubs in the PL would welcome it as long as they’re at the table. What cannot continue is three weak promoted teams offering zilch because they can’t compete. |
he wont get away with it, though its debateable how much punishment theyll dish out for it, but obviously Wolves are playing the system and delaying the inevitable as much as they can on the basis he can do the job he's been doing for them in the meantime.
get to January and they can loan in some cover or buy another striker and no doubt use the FA cup as one of his banned games.
this really is what people mean when they say the league is corrupt, its not really its just teams will use all the dark arts they can and goto any extent to win, Town arent like that yet because the current setup we have, have never been put in these positions before.
like its summed up by how during nearly all of our games this season, when theres a foul, the opposition captain is always in the refs ear about it, chirping about who knows what, Id love them to publish the audio the ref hears, but probably just reminding the ref about how many tackles or something, but its all about subconcious biasing,
Morsy on the other hand is usually minimum 20 yards away from the ref, hardly ever speaks to him during a game, that probably does cost us decisions going for us, especially those nothing foul free kicks the premier league teams seem to excel at, unless you have Anthony Taylor doing all your games.
if there is one thing Town need to be better at to compete in the PL, is to copy some of those tactics, because like em or not, they work. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:31 - Dec 27 with 1741 views | tractorboy1978 |
It's a total nonsense that he was able to play one game let alone two after being charged. It is now 13 days since the incident, which is an open and shut case. I hope we are really pushing for extra games to be added. But even then, he's played a big part in them picking up 6 points, whilst we were left without Delap (who didn't seem to commit any offence) for a game. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:32 - Dec 27 with 1735 views | Benters |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 17:21 - Dec 26 by Blue_Heath |
Utter disgrace yet Delap gets banned. |
It’s bloody outrageous tbh. |  |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:36 - Dec 27 with 1715 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:32 - Dec 27 by Benters |
It’s bloody outrageous tbh. |
Every game he plays should be considered for the ultimate ban - if the tariff was five they need to add two for every additional game wolves let him play - not going to hold my breath | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:42 - Dec 27 with 1683 views | Benters |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:36 - Dec 27 by Exiled2Surrey |
Every game he plays should be considered for the ultimate ban - if the tariff was five they need to add two for every additional game wolves let him play - not going to hold my breath |
Sounds good to me.
He did similar against West Ham didn’t he ? | |
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:45 - Dec 27 with 1677 views | BloomBlue |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 20:42 - Dec 26 by Churchman |
Of course he is going to get away with it.
As for the PL, I suspect they might reduce promotion and relegation to two within a year or two. Then one plus a play off third bottom against the winners of 2, 3, 4. 5. Then no automatic promotion, just the play off, then no relegation or promotion at all. Maybe bar any club entry without PL facilities the season before promotion and likewise an average crowd of 35,000 or 40,000. That’d get in particular Sunderland and especially Leeds into it. Clubs people want to see.
Particularly with American and Arab owners preserving their investment, something like the above is bound to happen. It is something normal in American sport.
The rubbish clubs in the PL would welcome it as long as they’re at the table. What cannot continue is three weak promoted teams offering zilch because they can’t compete. |
As I said on another post I think it was Harry Redknapp who predicted three seasons ago because of the additional huge amounts coming in to PL teams as a result of the new sky deal it would basically kill promotion/ relegation. In that the same 3 teams promoted would be relegated the next season, because the teams in the PL had been given so many millions over a period of time any promoted team wouldnt have sufficient resources to compete. But when relegated the parachute payments would give them more money than the other championship teams resulting in them winning promotion. Exacerbated by the Financial Rules preventing rich owners spending millions to buy success.
He also predicted after a few season of that it would then give PL teams the excuse to reduce the promotion/ relegation to 2 teams then 1 team and then even eventually no relegation/promotion |  | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 09:05 - Dec 27 with 1610 views | ITFCSG |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:45 - Dec 27 by BloomBlue |
As I said on another post I think it was Harry Redknapp who predicted three seasons ago because of the additional huge amounts coming in to PL teams as a result of the new sky deal it would basically kill promotion/ relegation. In that the same 3 teams promoted would be relegated the next season, because the teams in the PL had been given so many millions over a period of time any promoted team wouldnt have sufficient resources to compete. But when relegated the parachute payments would give them more money than the other championship teams resulting in them winning promotion. Exacerbated by the Financial Rules preventing rich owners spending millions to buy success.
He also predicted after a few season of that it would then give PL teams the excuse to reduce the promotion/ relegation to 2 teams then 1 team and then even eventually no relegation/promotion |
That is precisely why Forest didn’t give a flying fk about FFP when they came up and broke the bank to buy an entirely new team. Many people laughed at them but with hindsight it is possibly the only way a non-parachute team could survive in the Prem.
Even a minor points deduction like what they got would be worth it if it ensured staying in the Prem. Seems like their gamble paid off.
If you were to tell me now breaking FFP to sign 5, 8 new quality players to ensure our survival and get docked 2 or 4 points next season I’ll take it. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 09:07 - Dec 27 with 1600 views | forrestsfringe |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 08:42 - Dec 27 by Benters |
Sounds good to me.
He did similar against West Ham didn’t he ? |
That was Lemina, who to be fair to him, was responding to a certain degree of provocation by Jarrod Bowen. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 09:57 - Dec 27 with 1475 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 09:07 - Dec 27 by forrestsfringe |
That was Lemina, who to be fair to him, was responding to a certain degree of provocation by Jarrod Bowen. |
Remember that Delap was provoking Cunha - what was he supposed to do? Latin temperament and all that - Delap is clearly the problem here | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 10:18 - Dec 27 with 1417 views | tractorshark |
It’s ridiculous the hearing hasn’t taken place now but I’m not convinced this particular incident highlights Premier League corruption. That word gets banded about so much by fans when a decision goes against them but often it just fits the narrative.
Don’t get me wrong I think there is a clear bias towards the bigger clubs, I just don’t think that includes Wolves.
Their fans would quite clearly point to their VAR woes over the last two seasons as proof of that and this decision has hardly favoured Man Utd.
It fits the narrative of bad luck for us but this is just incompetence by the Premier League for shutting down all disciplinary proceedings over Christmas and Wolves playing the system by demanding a personal hearing.
We would have done the same thing.
Cunha will get banned but understandably that won’t be of much comfort to us.
But Wolves won’t stay up with 15 points so he hasn’t saved them yet.
And as someone has pointed out, if we reach the halfway stage with 12 points, you can’t expect not to be deep in relegation trouble.
We’re 17 games into a 38 game season. If we’re already counting on other results to go our way, then we’re heading down.
Start winning at home, stop making stupid mistakes, sign another striker and right winger and we’ll give ourselves a chance.
It is in our hands. | | | |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 10:42 - Dec 27 with 1326 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 10:18 - Dec 27 by tractorshark |
It’s ridiculous the hearing hasn’t taken place now but I’m not convinced this particular incident highlights Premier League corruption. That word gets banded about so much by fans when a decision goes against them but often it just fits the narrative.
Don’t get me wrong I think there is a clear bias towards the bigger clubs, I just don’t think that includes Wolves.
Their fans would quite clearly point to their VAR woes over the last two seasons as proof of that and this decision has hardly favoured Man Utd.
It fits the narrative of bad luck for us but this is just incompetence by the Premier League for shutting down all disciplinary proceedings over Christmas and Wolves playing the system by demanding a personal hearing.
We would have done the same thing.
Cunha will get banned but understandably that won’t be of much comfort to us.
But Wolves won’t stay up with 15 points so he hasn’t saved them yet.
And as someone has pointed out, if we reach the halfway stage with 12 points, you can’t expect not to be deep in relegation trouble.
We’re 17 games into a 38 game season. If we’re already counting on other results to go our way, then we’re heading down.
Start winning at home, stop making stupid mistakes, sign another striker and right winger and we’ll give ourselves a chance.
It is in our hands. |
Its not corruption in the full sense of intentional dishonest practice.
It is however, yet another example of a lack of focus and understanding of matters of fairness and integrity which is systemic. Much like the Leicester non-penalty when, I suspect, the VAR did the ref a favour because it was going to be very awkward awarding a pen having sent a player off in the following passage of play.
Those at the top are part of comfy little cliques with the big clubs and continue to deal with things in a frankly unprofessional manner, through the influence of money and personalities. [Post edited 27 Dec 2024 10:46]
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| Cunha starts for Wolves on 14:58 - Dec 27 with 1117 views | tractorshark |
| Cunha starts for Wolves on 10:42 - Dec 27 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not corruption in the full sense of intentional dishonest practice.
It is however, yet another example of a lack of focus and understanding of matters of fairness and integrity which is systemic. Much like the Leicester non-penalty when, I suspect, the VAR did the ref a favour because it was going to be very awkward awarding a pen having sent a player off in the following passage of play.
Those at the top are part of comfy little cliques with the big clubs and continue to deal with things in a frankly unprofessional manner, through the influence of money and personalities. [Post edited 27 Dec 2024 10:46]
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Agree with you on that. And i suspect if this involved a player from Arsenal, Liverpool or Man City, the hearing would have taken place already.
Their title rivals would have moaned long and loud about the delay.
But because it affects the smaller clubs at the bottom, it's of less importance and that is quite clearly wrong. | | | |
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