| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer 23:17 - Jan 1 with 8861 views | onceablue |
Going to give to try and convince people he is not a total tw@t
Apparently his PR people have advised him not to mention the 22 Million black hole as this really has lost any affect now
Federation of Builders have now added to his woes by saying it is impossible to build 1.5 Million homes as there is simply not enough Bricklayers, plumbers electricians etc
Upsetting tourists in Madeira as well
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:00 - Jan 2 with 1417 views | Horsham |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 09:54 - Jan 2 by WeWereZombies |
That sounds like a convincing argument to reintroduce state funded large scale council house building. |
It does.
But then again for builders to maximise profit they can also participate in building 1.5 million new homes. |  | | |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:05 - Jan 2 with 1388 views | Meadowlark |
This thread is like the conversation in the gents at The Emirates last week...just after they scored. All was woe, "we're doomed" we're fcked," "we're useless."
Then we beat Chelsea. |  | | |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:09 - Jan 2 with 1358 views | Horsham |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 04:31 - Jan 2 by Benters |
At this rate we won’t have any fields or countryside left.
Add that to dopey Miliband solar farms and wind turbines plans.
The once beautiful country has gone sadly. |
And if global temperatures and sea levels continue to rise at the rate they have been then you can pretty much forget fields anyway.
Unless it’s all a big globabilist conspiracy of course. | | | |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:14 - Jan 2 with 1345 views | Benters |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 06:41 - Jan 2 by cressi |
I agree this country is fu**ed no doubt about it. It will never be what it once was its done. |
It will never be as nice as it once was ba. |  |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:15 - Jan 2 with 1344 views | Benters |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 08:27 - Jan 2 by noggin |
Have you ever flown over East Anglia buh? Fields as far as the eye can see. |
Not for much longer buh. | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:17 - Jan 2 with 1339 views | homer_123 |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 04:31 - Jan 2 by Benters |
At this rate we won’t have any fields or countryside left.
Add that to dopey Miliband solar farms and wind turbines plans.
The once beautiful country has gone sadly. |
Bullsh*t Benters.
"In England, "78.6% of urban areas is designated as natural rather than built". Since urban only covers a tenth of the country, this means that the proportion of England's landscape which is built on is…
… 2.27%."
Edit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096 [Post edited 2 Jan 10:18]
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:22 - Jan 2 with 1297 views | Benters |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:17 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
Bullsh*t Benters.
"In England, "78.6% of urban areas is designated as natural rather than built". Since urban only covers a tenth of the country, this means that the proportion of England's landscape which is built on is…
… 2.27%."
Edit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096 [Post edited 2 Jan 10:18]
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Not in Benters it’s not we have had in the last ten or so years at least five major house builders building loads of houses.
It’s not stopping there either.
One day Benters will be joined to Colwho in the West and Crackers in the East. | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:26 - Jan 2 with 1289 views | DJR |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:15 - Jan 2 by Benters |
Not for much longer buh. |
Prior to the 19th Century, Ipswich didn't extend much beyond its medieval boundaries, which means that probably in excess of 95% of the area of Ipswich now consists of land that was once countryside or farmland.
Any further building is just a continuation of this trend. [Post edited 2 Jan 10:26]
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:28 - Jan 2 with 1270 views | StokieBlue |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:22 - Jan 2 by Benters |
Not in Benters it’s not we have had in the last ten or so years at least five major house builders building loads of houses.
It’s not stopping there either.
One day Benters will be joined to Colwho in the West and Crackers in the East. |
What's wrong with building houses for people to live in?
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:30 - Jan 2 with 1251 views | noggin |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:28 - Jan 2 by StokieBlue |
What's wrong with building houses for people to live in?
SB |
Foreigners moving to Bentley. |  |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:31 - Jan 2 with 1252 views | homer_123 |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:22 - Jan 2 by Benters |
Not in Benters it’s not we have had in the last ten or so years at least five major house builders building loads of houses.
It’s not stopping there either.
One day Benters will be joined to Colwho in the West and Crackers in the East. |
You are then extrapolating that it applies to the whole of the UK and it isn't.
As the stats show - less than 3% of the UK is actually urbanised.
On top of that, proportionally we are building less houses than ever. In the 60's we were building in the region of 350,000 houses per year (.64% of the population). More recently we are building less, around 200,000 per year and this is now .31% of the population. | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:32 - Jan 2 with 1236 views | homer_123 |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:28 - Jan 2 by StokieBlue |
What's wrong with building houses for people to live in?
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Nothing, as long as it's not near me!!!!! | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:34 - Jan 2 with 1220 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:17 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
Bullsh*t Benters.
"In England, "78.6% of urban areas is designated as natural rather than built". Since urban only covers a tenth of the country, this means that the proportion of England's landscape which is built on is…
… 2.27%."
Edit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096 [Post edited 2 Jan 10:18]
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What does that really tell you though, how much of that is suitable for development? We’ve built over 100,000 homes on flood plains and that’s increasing by over 10k every year (many of which are uninsurable). Developers don’t care, not their problem once the house is sold, so tearing up planning rules as Labour keep threatening is just a recipe for unscrupulous developers to take advantage. | | | |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:35 - Jan 2 with 1208 views | homer_123 |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:15 - Jan 2 by Benters |
Not for much longer buh. |
Again, absolute rubbish.
The rate of urbanisation is absolutely minimal. | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:35 - Jan 2 with 1209 views | redrickstuhaart |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:31 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
You are then extrapolating that it applies to the whole of the UK and it isn't.
As the stats show - less than 3% of the UK is actually urbanised.
On top of that, proportionally we are building less houses than ever. In the 60's we were building in the region of 350,000 houses per year (.64% of the population). More recently we are building less, around 200,000 per year and this is now .31% of the population. |
Its a bit of a cheap technical argument. It is almost impossible in the uk to go out of sight of buildings and out of earshot of roads. We are crowded comparitivrly speaking and need to stop the endless ponzi scheme of paying for everyhting by importing labour in large quantities. | | | |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:40 - Jan 2 with 1168 views | homer_123 |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:35 - Jan 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Its a bit of a cheap technical argument. It is almost impossible in the uk to go out of sight of buildings and out of earshot of roads. We are crowded comparitivrly speaking and need to stop the endless ponzi scheme of paying for everyhting by importing labour in large quantities. |
It's not.
Two observations. More people are 'choosing' yo live in Cities or large areas of urbanisation - ergo, you see less 'green' space.
Is the UK significantly more urbanised?
No, not really, we are similar to Italy, slightly more than Germany and France and more than Spain - all of these Countries are significantly more urbanised than, say Eastern Europe. | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:43 - Jan 2 with 1139 views | Ryorry |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 08:32 - Jan 2 by redrickstuhaart |
There are some very peculiar adn contradictory views being expressed in this thread.
If we had enough houses, prices would not keep climbing as they do. The prevalence of renters etc does not impact on that given that rents are also rising steeply. All these things go up because supply does not meet demand.
If house prices did not keep climbing due to lack of supply, they would be much less interesting to investors and landlords.
The admission of the best part of a million people last year to the country by the previous government alone means there must be a need for another half million homes of some description, pushing prices up further.
None of these things are the fault of the current government, but are things that need to be fixed.
Builders have insufficient capacity because the previous government consistently under planned and undershot their own targets on house buildnig for 14 years. Builders have been allowed to slow building to drive prices in the market. To who's benefit? |
One cause of the problems is that builders are private companies who, unless funded by local authorities to build affordable housing for those who most need it, like starter homes for young couples or single people, are going to build ones that sell for the most profit for themselves - ie 4-bed detached houses for those already on the ladder.
Hence I’m a fan of Zombers’ plan. |  |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:53 - Jan 2 with 1089 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 04:16 - Jan 2 by Benters |
This country has had it,it’s got far to many people in it.
It’s all getting to busy and nothing can cope.
That’s not my opinion that’s a fact.
It’s only going to get worse.
The End. |
And where is this fact from, pray tell? |  |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:53 - Jan 2 with 1091 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:40 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
It's not.
Two observations. More people are 'choosing' yo live in Cities or large areas of urbanisation - ergo, you see less 'green' space.
Is the UK significantly more urbanised?
No, not really, we are similar to Italy, slightly more than Germany and France and more than Spain - all of these Countries are significantly more urbanised than, say Eastern Europe. |
England is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe, far higher than those listed. It’s also the least forested. One day we’ll rue the loss of food security as we did with our energy crisis.
There seems to be little benefit to the relentless growth of our population that I can see other than propping up the state pension Ponzi scheme we’ve created. The endless pointing to economic growth is irrelevant whilst productivity is so poor, per capita GDP has declined, real wages have declined, we are simply fueling a low wage, low skilled economy which is compounding our shortage of skilled workers. The only real beneficiaries are large corporations with an endless supply of cheap labour. Yes the NHS needs workers but this is compounded by the record population growth.
Rant over - just frustrated at the ‘more of the same’ we are getting. | | | |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:53 - Jan 2 with 1091 views | redrickstuhaart |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:40 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
It's not.
Two observations. More people are 'choosing' yo live in Cities or large areas of urbanisation - ergo, you see less 'green' space.
Is the UK significantly more urbanised?
No, not really, we are similar to Italy, slightly more than Germany and France and more than Spain - all of these Countries are significantly more urbanised than, say Eastern Europe. |
Take a flight over germany. We are a small island and more densely populated than most in Europe. You wont win the entirely reasonable argument about housing etc by pretending otherwise. | | | |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:54 - Jan 2 with 1084 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 07:39 - Jan 2 by Zapers |
You would think that amongst the million or so that arrive every year, there would be plenty of skilled workers.
Probably not the skills that the UK requires.
There are other reasons of course, planning is not going to be as easy as angela raynor thinks it will be. Shes clearly not though this through very well. |
"Shes clearly not though this through very well."
Well, quite. | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:55 - Jan 2 with 1079 views | WeWereZombies |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:30 - Jan 2 by noggin |
Foreigners moving to Bentley. |
You mean people from East Bergholt ? That's War Of The Worlds fantasy thinking, Noggin... |  |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 11:02 - Jan 2 with 1060 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:17 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
Bullsh*t Benters.
"In England, "78.6% of urban areas is designated as natural rather than built". Since urban only covers a tenth of the country, this means that the proportion of England's landscape which is built on is…
… 2.27%."
Edit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096 [Post edited 2 Jan 10:18]
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 11:11 - Jan 2 with 1019 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:35 - Jan 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Its a bit of a cheap technical argument. It is almost impossible in the uk to go out of sight of buildings and out of earshot of roads. We are crowded comparitivrly speaking and need to stop the endless ponzi scheme of paying for everyhting by importing labour in large quantities. |
That's just absolute nonsense, you obviously haven't travelled much around this country. | |
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| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 11:13 - Jan 2 with 1006 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| How many more speeches is Kier Starmer on 10:34 - Jan 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
What does that really tell you though, how much of that is suitable for development? We’ve built over 100,000 homes on flood plains and that’s increasing by over 10k every year (many of which are uninsurable). Developers don’t care, not their problem once the house is sold, so tearing up planning rules as Labour keep threatening is just a recipe for unscrupulous developers to take advantage. |
Interested which part of this factual post you disagree with Flashing? | | | |
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