| We have a Goalkeeper issue 09:46 - Jan 27 with 6151 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I have been reluctant to call players out/criticise players all season. I don't actually think I have done it all season because I absolutely appreciate just how big a step up this is.
But I think we have a big issue in the goalkeeper department.
The flaws of Muric were clear for all to see. Had some really good moments but his kicking was hit and miss and he was making too many mistakes at important times. Walton got his shot and had a good start vs Chelsea, but I think he has been pretty poor in the last few games. There was the one that dribbled under him vs Brighton. I thought he should've been stronger a couple times vs City, mainly the Mcatee goal. I also think he could have done better with a couple Liverpool goals yesterday, albeit I haven't seen the game back.
When you are in the position we are in, you cannot afford to have constant goalkeeping mistakes, its makes a tough task even tougher.
Out of the 2 we have now, I think I would go with Muric. Higher upside. But I would have seriously considered getting another keeper in this month. |  |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:52 - Jan 27 with 4091 views | Steve_M |
Walton seems to have a problem with low shots, he's not getting down to them quickly enough. Szoboszlai's shot was well placed but it wasn't hit that hard, I think Walton should have done better there. He was a bit unfortunate with the deflection for Brighton's first goal but should have done better there too.,
Muric is the better keeper, albeit he can't concentrate for 90 minutes and makes errors like the Bournemouth goal at times. He's better than the collective view of Town fans now allows for though.
I think the benefit of the change has now worn off but whether that's enough for a change back is another matter. I think I would do so though. |  |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:54 - Jan 27 with 4059 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:52 - Jan 27 by Steve_M |
Walton seems to have a problem with low shots, he's not getting down to them quickly enough. Szoboszlai's shot was well placed but it wasn't hit that hard, I think Walton should have done better there. He was a bit unfortunate with the deflection for Brighton's first goal but should have done better there too.,
Muric is the better keeper, albeit he can't concentrate for 90 minutes and makes errors like the Bournemouth goal at times. He's better than the collective view of Town fans now allows for though.
I think the benefit of the change has now worn off but whether that's enough for a change back is another matter. I think I would do so though. |
I think that is a pretty perfect summary.
Tough decision to make for KM. But we are in a tough spot by not having a reliable goalkeeper. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:55 - Jan 27 with 4030 views | BlueOura |
I agree, your last couple of lines sum it up nicely. Both have flaws / mistakes in them but Muric has the higher upside and should be the no. 1 for me. |  | | |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:57 - Jan 27 with 4007 views | Reuser_is_God |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:52 - Jan 27 by Steve_M |
Walton seems to have a problem with low shots, he's not getting down to them quickly enough. Szoboszlai's shot was well placed but it wasn't hit that hard, I think Walton should have done better there. He was a bit unfortunate with the deflection for Brighton's first goal but should have done better there too.,
Muric is the better keeper, albeit he can't concentrate for 90 minutes and makes errors like the Bournemouth goal at times. He's better than the collective view of Town fans now allows for though.
I think the benefit of the change has now worn off but whether that's enough for a change back is another matter. I think I would do so though. |
Yeah I think you’ve got it spot on.
I was talking to someone at the Newcastle game & he was saying he felt we should’ve gone for an experienced number 2 from a PL club to be our main man this season. A Fabianski or Dubravka for example. Just a proper steady Eddie with PL experience. |  |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:02 - Jan 27 with 3921 views | Kieran_Knows |
If you think Muric’s kicking is bad then god knows what you think of Walton’s. |  |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:04 - Jan 27 with 3896 views | Sharkey |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:52 - Jan 27 by Steve_M |
Walton seems to have a problem with low shots, he's not getting down to them quickly enough. Szoboszlai's shot was well placed but it wasn't hit that hard, I think Walton should have done better there. He was a bit unfortunate with the deflection for Brighton's first goal but should have done better there too.,
Muric is the better keeper, albeit he can't concentrate for 90 minutes and makes errors like the Bournemouth goal at times. He's better than the collective view of Town fans now allows for though.
I think the benefit of the change has now worn off but whether that's enough for a change back is another matter. I think I would do so though. |
I think that problem with low shots was obvious even at League 1. (The famous Charlton away game being one example.) I remember a goalkeeper who went up the leagues talking about how the biggest difference was simply how much harder shots tend to be. (To be fair, that was a few years ago, before 'good with your feet' became such a thing. ) |  | | |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:06 - Jan 27 with 3850 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 09:55 - Jan 27 by BlueOura |
I agree, your last couple of lines sum it up nicely. Both have flaws / mistakes in them but Muric has the higher upside and should be the no. 1 for me. |
Agreed, we should persevere with Muric. He's got the higher ceiling imo.
Not that I'm against Walton, just that I think Muric edges it. |  |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:08 - Jan 27 with 3829 views | SuperBlue1998 |
I think there's a relatively clear trade-off between them - Walton does not make many saves but does not have a (or at least many) inexplicable error(s) in him, whereas Muric makes loads of saves but does have inexplicable errors in him. Muric is also somewhat better with his feet I think it's fair to say.
It comes down to what is the lesser of the two evils there. I personally think Muric gives you a better chance as he keeps you in games whereas the lack of saves from Walton (I believe he's let in 13 goals from the last 22 shots on target faced - or something like that) does not. I'm not sure we'd have been in some of the games that Muric mistakes cost us in with Walton in goal. The opposite view is entirely understandable though too. |  | | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:09 - Jan 27 with 3829 views | Steve_M |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:04 - Jan 27 by Sharkey |
I think that problem with low shots was obvious even at League 1. (The famous Charlton away game being one example.) I remember a goalkeeper who went up the leagues talking about how the biggest difference was simply how much harder shots tend to be. (To be fair, that was a few years ago, before 'good with your feet' became such a thing. ) |
I can't remember that so much from Charlton, more a collective sense of defensive panic. Twice. I did think back to the Port Vale game where they scored from the edge of the box, think that was well placed though. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:09 - Jan 27 with 3823 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:02 - Jan 27 by Kieran_Knows |
If you think Muric’s kicking is bad then god knows what you think of Walton’s. |
Bad as well ? But we have known this since league one so not really worth pointing out.
Difference is, Muric was brought in with a reputation (which he rightly earned) for being one of the best keepers in the country with the ball at his feet. That is the only reason I pointed it out. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:11 - Jan 27 with 3777 views | WeirdFishes |
The fact that we’ve spent £8m on a keeper and the only reason he’s playing is because he’s less sh!t than our other keeper (which I disagree with anyway) says a lot about our recruitment of him. |  |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:11 - Jan 27 with 3762 views | tonybied |
Pretty much spot on for me. My worry is that dropping Muric may hit his confidence, which clearly was suffering a bit already.
I think we may have dug ourselves into a bit of a hole here as I struggle to see us dropping £10M another keeper this season.
I took think we should concentrate on Muric as he's got a chance of improving but I feel Walton's weaknesses are unlikely to be improved upon now.
You can see why we signed Muric, if we sort his decision making out he's going to be a top top keeper. Walton was good enough for League One, he would've passable in the Championship as a number 1 but he's definitely a backup level keeper for the Premier League. |  | | |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:12 - Jan 27 with 3748 views | Linners |
It's not a 'sexy' way to spend £20m, and not usually an investment, but I wonder whether that's where your first spend as a newly promoted team should go on - a genuine top 'keeper. That said, Soton did that with Ramsdale and it's hard be revolutionary for them.
For what it's worth, I'd go back to Muric for most of the reasons outlined below. |  | | |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:18 - Jan 27 with 3668 views | Dubtractor |
I posted this in the heat of the game on Saturday, and have posted previously about the issues with both keepers, as Muric was dropped for making too many costly mistakes.
It is a problem position though, muric is clearly the better all round keeper, and a far better shot stopper, but to counter that is more prone to making errors.
My preference of the two would be to back Muric, but that's by no means a perfect outcome.
We've let in 9 goals from 14 shots on target in the last 2 games by Dubtractor 25 Jan 16:01Xg of the 2 games is 4.
Arguably it doesn't matter, we'd probably have lost the games anyway, but that's no where near good enough.
If we stick with Walton we are in trouble, as he just doesn't make enough saves.
I'm wary of this being a bit of a pile on with Walton, but we need to pick our best keeper, or get another one if McKenna doesn't want to play Muric.
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:21 - Jan 27 with 3612 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:18 - Jan 27 by Dubtractor |
I posted this in the heat of the game on Saturday, and have posted previously about the issues with both keepers, as Muric was dropped for making too many costly mistakes.
It is a problem position though, muric is clearly the better all round keeper, and a far better shot stopper, but to counter that is more prone to making errors.
My preference of the two would be to back Muric, but that's by no means a perfect outcome.
We've let in 9 goals from 14 shots on target in the last 2 games by Dubtractor 25 Jan 16:01Xg of the 2 games is 4.
Arguably it doesn't matter, we'd probably have lost the games anyway, but that's no where near good enough.
If we stick with Walton we are in trouble, as he just doesn't make enough saves.
I'm wary of this being a bit of a pile on with Walton, but we need to pick our best keeper, or get another one if McKenna doesn't want to play Muric.
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Ideally we'd want to play Muric but make a goalkeeper replacement, NFL style, just before he has a brain fart!
It's a quandary and I'd imagine is causing KM a bit of a headache. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:24 - Jan 27 with 3566 views | southnorfolkblue |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:12 - Jan 27 by Linners |
It's not a 'sexy' way to spend £20m, and not usually an investment, but I wonder whether that's where your first spend as a newly promoted team should go on - a genuine top 'keeper. That said, Soton did that with Ramsdale and it's hard be revolutionary for them.
For what it's worth, I'd go back to Muric for most of the reasons outlined below. |
Problem is what does 20 mill get you?
United spent 50 mill on Onana who has moments of being a world beater and others when he looks like a rabbit in headlights.
Steady eddies seem to be in short supply | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:25 - Jan 27 with 3544 views | SomethingBlue |
I love Walton but on balance I think it should be Muric for the rest of the season. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:27 - Jan 27 with 3511 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:18 - Jan 27 by Dubtractor |
I posted this in the heat of the game on Saturday, and have posted previously about the issues with both keepers, as Muric was dropped for making too many costly mistakes.
It is a problem position though, muric is clearly the better all round keeper, and a far better shot stopper, but to counter that is more prone to making errors.
My preference of the two would be to back Muric, but that's by no means a perfect outcome.
We've let in 9 goals from 14 shots on target in the last 2 games by Dubtractor 25 Jan 16:01Xg of the 2 games is 4.
Arguably it doesn't matter, we'd probably have lost the games anyway, but that's no where near good enough.
If we stick with Walton we are in trouble, as he just doesn't make enough saves.
I'm wary of this being a bit of a pile on with Walton, but we need to pick our best keeper, or get another one if McKenna doesn't want to play Muric.
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Didn't see this during the game.
But those Stats are really concerning. As you say we would have lost those games, but you have to be better than that. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:29 - Jan 27 with 3479 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:08 - Jan 27 by SuperBlue1998 |
I think there's a relatively clear trade-off between them - Walton does not make many saves but does not have a (or at least many) inexplicable error(s) in him, whereas Muric makes loads of saves but does have inexplicable errors in him. Muric is also somewhat better with his feet I think it's fair to say.
It comes down to what is the lesser of the two evils there. I personally think Muric gives you a better chance as he keeps you in games whereas the lack of saves from Walton (I believe he's let in 13 goals from the last 22 shots on target faced - or something like that) does not. I'm not sure we'd have been in some of the games that Muric mistakes cost us in with Walton in goal. The opposite view is entirely understandable though too. |
You make a key observation here - Muric has made saves that keep us in games. The longer you stay in a game, the more likely you get something out of it.
I suspect that Muric would have saved the first (and third) goal(s) against Many City. Would it have made any difference? Probably not, but we'll never know now. He may also have made a howler in that game, that took the game away from us.
As I posted elsewhere, we also retain possession more with Muric - and this helps reduce the pressure, and allows more opportunity to create chances.
Overall I feel that Muric has a (much) higher ceiling, if only we can build his confidence / reduce his capacity to make bad mistakes. I would persevere with him. | | | |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:29 - Jan 27 with 3486 views | Steve_M |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:18 - Jan 27 by Dubtractor |
I posted this in the heat of the game on Saturday, and have posted previously about the issues with both keepers, as Muric was dropped for making too many costly mistakes.
It is a problem position though, muric is clearly the better all round keeper, and a far better shot stopper, but to counter that is more prone to making errors.
My preference of the two would be to back Muric, but that's by no means a perfect outcome.
We've let in 9 goals from 14 shots on target in the last 2 games by Dubtractor 25 Jan 16:01Xg of the 2 games is 4.
Arguably it doesn't matter, we'd probably have lost the games anyway, but that's no where near good enough.
If we stick with Walton we are in trouble, as he just doesn't make enough saves.
I'm wary of this being a bit of a pile on with Walton, but we need to pick our best keeper, or get another one if McKenna doesn't want to play Muric.
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I think there's some allowance for the quality of the finishing there, first two Man City goals were perfectly placed but the third less so (I've not managed to watch them back so not seen those at Churchmans up close). Second Liverpool goal was dreadful all round, not sure I blame Walton for that though.
I do agree your point but also think that, had Muric played the last two, then we would have still conceded a lot. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:32 - Jan 27 with 3436 views | tractorboy1978 |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:18 - Jan 27 by Dubtractor |
I posted this in the heat of the game on Saturday, and have posted previously about the issues with both keepers, as Muric was dropped for making too many costly mistakes.
It is a problem position though, muric is clearly the better all round keeper, and a far better shot stopper, but to counter that is more prone to making errors.
My preference of the two would be to back Muric, but that's by no means a perfect outcome.
We've let in 9 goals from 14 shots on target in the last 2 games by Dubtractor 25 Jan 16:01Xg of the 2 games is 4.
Arguably it doesn't matter, we'd probably have lost the games anyway, but that's no where near good enough.
If we stick with Walton we are in trouble, as he just doesn't make enough saves.
I'm wary of this being a bit of a pile on with Walton, but we need to pick our best keeper, or get another one if McKenna doesn't want to play Muric.
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Muric save % - 70.8%
Walton save % - 57.6%
Muric crosses stopped % - 15.5%
Walton crossed stopped % - 10.5%
Muric goals conceded vs expected - 0.00
Walton goals conceded vs expected - -1.00 | | | |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:36 - Jan 27 with 3380 views | ArchiRob |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:02 - Jan 27 by Kieran_Knows |
If you think Muric’s kicking is bad then god knows what you think of Walton’s. |
Which commands their box better
Which communicates with the defence better
Which is the better shop stopper
Which makes most unnecessary errors
Which passes the ball better
3 - 2 for me |  |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:39 - Jan 27 with 3332 views | Dubtractor |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:29 - Jan 27 by Steve_M |
I think there's some allowance for the quality of the finishing there, first two Man City goals were perfectly placed but the third less so (I've not managed to watch them back so not seen those at Churchmans up close). Second Liverpool goal was dreadful all round, not sure I blame Walton for that though.
I do agree your point but also think that, had Muric played the last two, then we would have still conceded a lot. |
Absolutely, it might have been 5-0 and 3-1 instead, it barely matters in those games.
But in tighter games it will matter.
It's not just about shot stopping though. Walton preference for going long means we're utterly unable to get a foothold in games, and allow teams to just build up a head of steam against us.
Neither option is brilliant as it stands, but personally I'd pick Muric. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:48 - Jan 27 with 3259 views | SomethingBlue |
| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:39 - Jan 27 by Dubtractor |
Absolutely, it might have been 5-0 and 3-1 instead, it barely matters in those games.
But in tighter games it will matter.
It's not just about shot stopping though. Walton preference for going long means we're utterly unable to get a foothold in games, and allow teams to just build up a head of steam against us.
Neither option is brilliant as it stands, but personally I'd pick Muric. |
It's a good point about going long, because we lack the physicality and numbers in midfield to really snaffle up the resulting second balls and just end up on the back foot again. | |
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| We have a Goalkeeper issue on 10:52 - Jan 27 with 3182 views | ArnieM |
Muric was never our primary target I believe, so was 2nd or maybe even 3rd choice. There are issues with both keepers it true. Neither are really quite good enough , at this level. If we stay at this level, we surely do need to offload and replace both.
But for me the most pressing area next to address is our midfield. Too slow, and lacking in any dynamic play whatsoever, and I honestly don’t think there’s any midfielder in that MF squad that is good enough. |  |
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