| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips 17:04 - Feb 2 with 5100 views | bluesbrothers |
Must be our highest earner by some margin, but barely gets a game and hasn't looked up to all that much when he does play.
Argue the second half of that all you like but if he's not playing in games like yesterday - is it not just an utter waste of money? Appreciate we'd need someone else instead (FWIW I'm told the Downes story has legs but is deemed difficult to get done this window) |  | | |  |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:06 - Feb 2 with 4353 views | Kieran_Knows |
It’s ridiculous in my opinion. We’ve got a 33 year old who’s never played at this level before and legs are looking shot by the week and another midfielder who can’t last no more than 60 minutes and he still can’t get a game over them …. And then we bought Taylor on instead of him yesterday.
Massive waste of a loan slot, IMO. |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:28 - Feb 2 with 4158 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:06 - Feb 2 by Kieran_Knows |
It’s ridiculous in my opinion. We’ve got a 33 year old who’s never played at this level before and legs are looking shot by the week and another midfielder who can’t last no more than 60 minutes and he still can’t get a game over them …. And then we bought Taylor on instead of him yesterday.
Massive waste of a loan slot, IMO. |
KMs reluctance to swap out Morsy could be our biggest downfall. |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:35 - Feb 2 with 4079 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:06 - Feb 2 by Kieran_Knows |
It’s ridiculous in my opinion. We’ve got a 33 year old who’s never played at this level before and legs are looking shot by the week and another midfielder who can’t last no more than 60 minutes and he still can’t get a game over them …. And then we bought Taylor on instead of him yesterday.
Massive waste of a loan slot, IMO. |
No, but the priority is to get a trickster winger or another Number 10. And we certainly don't need another goalkeeper. | | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:35 - Feb 2 with 4071 views | gtsb1966 |
Morsy has been a brilliant for us but time to move on. Not good enough for the Premier league and when we go down, we all know it's happening, I think he'll be a sub at best in the championship. |  | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:58 - Feb 2 with 3878 views | Scuzzer |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:06 - Feb 2 by Kieran_Knows |
It’s ridiculous in my opinion. We’ve got a 33 year old who’s never played at this level before and legs are looking shot by the week and another midfielder who can’t last no more than 60 minutes and he still can’t get a game over them …. And then we bought Taylor on instead of him yesterday.
Massive waste of a loan slot, IMO. |
Made the wrong call yesterday. Should have brought Phillips on for Morsy and left Cajuste on, who I think was having a good game.
I didn't think there was a need to make any changes yesterday. We went downhill rapidly after they came on.
Billy Jean was very very poor. |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:10 - Feb 2 with 3758 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:58 - Feb 2 by Scuzzer |
Made the wrong call yesterday. Should have brought Phillips on for Morsy and left Cajuste on, who I think was having a good game.
I didn't think there was a need to make any changes yesterday. We went downhill rapidly after they came on.
Billy Jean was very very poor. |
Cajuste is clearly managing a fitness issue ... he has played the full 90 mins just once in his 14 appearances despite often being our best player | | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:19 - Feb 2 with 3675 views | OldFart71 |
KM was probably hoping he could he could get Phillips back to the player he was at Leeds. I felt when he started playing for City he was a bit too robust and gave a lot of free kicks away. Currently many are questioning the players brought in by KM but City brought in Phillips and Jack Grealish at a cost of £145 million so that's £25 million more than the total cost of Town's six players. Neither have been worth the money paid. Neither would command that type of money if sold. | | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:23 - Feb 2 with 3636 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:06 - Feb 2 by Kieran_Knows |
It’s ridiculous in my opinion. We’ve got a 33 year old who’s never played at this level before and legs are looking shot by the week and another midfielder who can’t last no more than 60 minutes and he still can’t get a game over them …. And then we bought Taylor on instead of him yesterday.
Massive waste of a loan slot, IMO. |
besides signing Muric? |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:26 - Feb 2 with 3571 views | Kieran_Knows |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:23 - Feb 2 by bournemouthblue |
besides signing Muric? |
Well that’s another discussion, but the point stands on Phillips, it’s been quite a massive, expensive waste of a loan slot when you’re already up against it in terms of loaning players from other Prem clubs. | |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:33 - Feb 2 with 3510 views | ITFCBlues |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:26 - Feb 2 by Kieran_Knows |
Well that’s another discussion, but the point stands on Phillips, it’s been quite a massive, expensive waste of a loan slot when you’re already up against it in terms of loaning players from other Prem clubs. |
What makes it even more confusing is that he'd actually had a fairly decent game at Liverpool but it just feels as though he can't, for whatever reason, drop Morsy. Not sure if he thinks it's because there's a better chance of playing out from the back with Morsy able to turn his man, although he hasn't been able to manage that in quite some time! |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:42 - Feb 2 with 3409 views | Reuser_is_God |
Was always going to take him some time to get settled in etc etc
But we are now right into the crux of the season & he can’t even get on against bottom of the table.
Complete waste of time & money.
Is Bloom still creaming himself about him on Blue Monday? |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 19:00 - Feb 2 with 3318 views | Kieran_Knows |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:33 - Feb 2 by ITFCBlues |
What makes it even more confusing is that he'd actually had a fairly decent game at Liverpool but it just feels as though he can't, for whatever reason, drop Morsy. Not sure if he thinks it's because there's a better chance of playing out from the back with Morsy able to turn his man, although he hasn't been able to manage that in quite some time! |
The only explanation, in my eyes, is that Phillips just isn’t showing anything in the weeks training before games, otherwise it’s a no brainer to get him in. But even when he has had a chance, he’s been underwhelming for me.
Crucial we get a centre mid in tomorrow. | |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 19:28 - Feb 2 with 3195 views | bluesbrothers |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:33 - Feb 2 by ITFCBlues |
What makes it even more confusing is that he'd actually had a fairly decent game at Liverpool but it just feels as though he can't, for whatever reason, drop Morsy. Not sure if he thinks it's because there's a better chance of playing out from the back with Morsy able to turn his man, although he hasn't been able to manage that in quite some time! |
Got to say, I personally think we are better with Morsy than Phillips for the reason you just gave… that’s not to say it’s good enough | | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 19:37 - Feb 2 with 3141 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 18:33 - Feb 2 by ITFCBlues |
What makes it even more confusing is that he'd actually had a fairly decent game at Liverpool but it just feels as though he can't, for whatever reason, drop Morsy. Not sure if he thinks it's because there's a better chance of playing out from the back with Morsy able to turn his man, although he hasn't been able to manage that in quite some time! |
We are defensively more solid with Phillips there but perhaps not so progressive going forward
I assume Phillips will feature prominently against Coventry, not that that is more important than the league game in fairness | |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:07 - Feb 2 with 3005 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 19:37 - Feb 2 by bournemouthblue |
We are defensively more solid with Phillips there but perhaps not so progressive going forward
I assume Phillips will feature prominently against Coventry, not that that is more important than the league game in fairness |
'not so progressive going forward'?
What does Morsy offer going forward? Aside from his pass to Davis against Leicester I'm struggling to think of a single ball he's played this season that's created a goal scoring opportunity. He slow, ponderous, needs about 3 touches every time he gets the ball and doesn't set a tempo that allows us to transition as quickly as we need to. Its not even like he does the out of possession things particularly well at this level, he's given away stupid fouls / penalty in recent games against Fulham and Brighton and yesterday he was miles off it.
Everyone has a ceiling, maybe he's hit it as a premier league debutant at 33, maybe there's stuff off the pitch, but how he's starting games still ahead of Phillips is baffling. And how we've prioritised adding additional forward players and right backs but not in the middle or #9 (maybe we will tomorrow) also baffles me tbh.
Look, we're going down, I'm fine with it and by and large I think we've recruited players who will see us a very strong side next season in the Championship. But we've clearly not got the balance right between the here and now vs. future potential asset value. |  | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:36 - Feb 2 with 2809 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:06 - Feb 2 by Kieran_Knows |
It’s ridiculous in my opinion. We’ve got a 33 year old who’s never played at this level before and legs are looking shot by the week and another midfielder who can’t last no more than 60 minutes and he still can’t get a game over them …. And then we bought Taylor on instead of him yesterday.
Massive waste of a loan slot, IMO. |
KM seems overly loyal to Morsy and Omari. |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:39 - Feb 2 with 2780 views | Kieran_Knows |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:36 - Feb 2 by Illinoisblue |
KM seems overly loyal to Morsy and Omari. |
I don’t deny that either, but Phillips has been massively underwhelming when he has played and you’d imagine he’s not showing enough in training to give McKenna something to think about in terms of dropping Morsy for him.
Centre mid is more crucial than a striker for me tomorrow, not that I think we’ll sign anyone. | |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:45 - Feb 2 with 2727 views | azuremerlangus |
Given his experience I was expecting more from KP once we got into the 2nd half of the season. |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:49 - Feb 2 with 2683 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:58 - Feb 2 by Scuzzer |
Made the wrong call yesterday. Should have brought Phillips on for Morsy and left Cajuste on, who I think was having a good game.
I didn't think there was a need to make any changes yesterday. We went downhill rapidly after they came on.
Billy Jean was very very poor. |
Agree. Jens can be rested for the Coventry game. |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:51 - Feb 2 with 2669 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:39 - Feb 2 by Kieran_Knows |
I don’t deny that either, but Phillips has been massively underwhelming when he has played and you’d imagine he’s not showing enough in training to give McKenna something to think about in terms of dropping Morsy for him.
Centre mid is more crucial than a striker for me tomorrow, not that I think we’ll sign anyone. |
Right now I suspect that KmK sees it as a straight choice between Cajuste and Philips, as he’s been committed to Morsy being the first name on the team sheet. Morsy & Philips are too similar to play together often - Cajuste is a good foil for either of them.
Give Morsy a rest, and the dynamics change. Philips becomes first on the team sheet, and build around him.
I know many will disagree, but I see Philips involvement being minimised by Morsy’s presence in every starting lineup. | | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 22:00 - Feb 2 with 2432 views | stonojnr |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 17:58 - Feb 2 by Scuzzer |
Made the wrong call yesterday. Should have brought Phillips on for Morsy and left Cajuste on, who I think was having a good game.
I didn't think there was a need to make any changes yesterday. We went downhill rapidly after they came on.
Billy Jean was very very poor. |
problem is Morsy is the only real natural leader in the team that everyones looking to on the pitch for direction, we had quite a young team on the pitch yesterday, as much as you want to take Morsy off for some fresher legs.
its like ok, whose the one whose got the respect of the players to fill that captain role then.
Id have still done it, but I can appreciate KM might be thinking of the wider changes it results in. | | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 10:06 - Feb 3 with 1880 views | textbackup |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 20:36 - Feb 2 by Illinoisblue |
KM seems overly loyal to Morsy and Omari. |
The latter, for me (actually not just me as many have said the same) he’s not stepped up at all.
I get it, he’s young, will be inconsistent etc, but I think I’ve counted 5/6 games where he’s looked really on it. And that’s just not anywhere near enough.
Signing these young lads might prove a good bit of business in the long run, but we needed experienced PL players that can physically handle the challenge. (Or at least a mixed bag of players) |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 10:10 - Feb 3 with 1830 views | portmanking |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 10:06 - Feb 3 by textbackup |
The latter, for me (actually not just me as many have said the same) he’s not stepped up at all.
I get it, he’s young, will be inconsistent etc, but I think I’ve counted 5/6 games where he’s looked really on it. And that’s just not anywhere near enough.
Signing these young lads might prove a good bit of business in the long run, but we needed experienced PL players that can physically handle the challenge. (Or at least a mixed bag of players) |
It's just so unrealistic to expect us to afford 'experienced PL players'. You realise the wage demands of an 'experienced' PL player, right? That's before you consider the transfer fees involved.
We've taken some giant steps up the football pyramid in double-quick time. As others have said, the most likely scenario was always going to be becoming a yo-yo team like Bournemouth/Fulham and learn from this season in 2 years' time. | | | |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 10:26 - Feb 3 with 1707 views | itfcjoe |
It is and has been an utter waste really, I guess there was always a chance it would go this way after his last couple of years and I think most fans would say it was worth the risk, but it's fallen on the wrong side of things for us. |  |
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| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 10:30 - Feb 3 with 1655 views | textbackup |
| The Curious Case of Kalvin Phillips on 10:10 - Feb 3 by portmanking |
It's just so unrealistic to expect us to afford 'experienced PL players'. You realise the wage demands of an 'experienced' PL player, right? That's before you consider the transfer fees involved.
We've taken some giant steps up the football pyramid in double-quick time. As others have said, the most likely scenario was always going to be becoming a yo-yo team like Bournemouth/Fulham and learn from this season in 2 years' time. |
I’m not taking about taking a seasoned pro from Arsenal or Chelsea…
The money we spent on Clarke and philogene (both who might end up being great for us I’ll add) we ‘could’ have used that £30/40m and put it to far better use, for the here and now. IMO | |
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