| Kier Starmer is now the 00:39 - Feb 4 with 20843 views | onceablue |
Most unpopular Prime MInister ever it’s official
Crikey that takes some doing!!!!! |  | | |  |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:34 - Feb 4 with 1402 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 08:36 - Feb 4 by MattinLondon |
Knowing how unpopular they are, the Tories deliberately run the country into the ground knowing that Labour will have to make some unpopular decisions.
Labour are forced to make unpopular decisions but over the next few years the economy gets back on track. The right-wing press slams Stramer at every opportunity.
The Tories sweep into power, rejoins the Single Market and never mentions Brexit again. |
Here's a little quiz... Which former Treasury Chief left this note for his successor?
"Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards - and good luck! [Redacted]." |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:35 - Feb 4 with 1396 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:21 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're basing this on the small sample size of your grandparents?!
Everyone has to tighten their belts if we want to fix the economy, infrastructure, transport etc. that the last lot decimated. No-one's "gutting vital funding for the elderly and vulnerable" - this, again, is falling for the right-wing rhetoric. It's removing what wasn't necessary for the vast majority who have lost it, to be better spent elsewhere.
There will be some placed in a vulnerable position whatever you do, but you have to do what's best for the majority. |
“ falling for the right-wing rhetoric”
I’m talking about lived experiences of real people. It seems like you’re the one drinking the kool-aid, and reeling off the party line… | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:35 - Feb 4 with 1391 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:18 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
I think it's because pensioners are seen as mostly voting for Brexit so they're fair game for some punishment. |
The Brexit vote was 9 years ago, around 6,000,000 have reached pension age since then. Your logic is flawed. |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:36 - Feb 4 with 1387 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:34 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Here's a little quiz... Which former Treasury Chief left this note for his successor?
"Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards - and good luck! [Redacted]." |
BOOM!
The answer is: Most of them, since the 1920s. It's a long running joke.
This just goes to prove how sucked in by the right wing media you are. |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:39 - Feb 4 with 1368 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:36 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
BOOM!
The answer is: Most of them, since the 1920s. It's a long running joke.
This just goes to prove how sucked in by the right wing media you are. |
Wrong! It was former Labour Chief Treasury Secretary Liam Byrne after Labour departed in 2010 leaving the country broke. I am not aware of any other senior ministers leaving such notes. Can you give some examples please? | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:39 - Feb 4 with 1363 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:35 - Feb 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ falling for the right-wing rhetoric”
I’m talking about lived experiences of real people. It seems like you’re the one drinking the kool-aid, and reeling off the party line… |
So I was right then, a sample size of one.
The government needs to do what's best, with limited resources, for the entire country. Not just your grandparents, or even a few people's grandparents. You can use any silly phrases about me you want, it's still the facts and logic of the matter. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:44 - Feb 4 with 1335 views | eireblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:39 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Wrong! It was former Labour Chief Treasury Secretary Liam Byrne after Labour departed in 2010 leaving the country broke. I am not aware of any other senior ministers leaving such notes. Can you give some examples please? |
From a news article
“It’s taken more than 13 years but David Laws has finally apologised to Liam Byrne for weaponising that infamous scrawled note jokily saying “I’m afraid there is no money”. The Lib Dem said sorry to his Labour predecessor at an 11 Downing Street bash for surviving Treasury chief secretaries. It was the first encounter between the pair since May 2010, when Laws broke convention by publicly exploiting the private message an outgoing minister traditionally leaves for an incomer when a government changes after an election. Byrne, still Labour’s MP for Birmingham Hodge Hill, later wrote of how he “burnt with the shame” over the publication of the joke, which had been intended for Philip Hammond, a courteous and friendly Tory who was expected to be appointed chief secretary.” |  | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:47 - Feb 4 with 1324 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:44 - Feb 4 by eireblue |
From a news article
“It’s taken more than 13 years but David Laws has finally apologised to Liam Byrne for weaponising that infamous scrawled note jokily saying “I’m afraid there is no money”. The Lib Dem said sorry to his Labour predecessor at an 11 Downing Street bash for surviving Treasury chief secretaries. It was the first encounter between the pair since May 2010, when Laws broke convention by publicly exploiting the private message an outgoing minister traditionally leaves for an incomer when a government changes after an election. Byrne, still Labour’s MP for Birmingham Hodge Hill, later wrote of how he “burnt with the shame” over the publication of the joke, which had been intended for Philip Hammond, a courteous and friendly Tory who was expected to be appointed chief secretary.” |
Oh it was meant for Phillip Hammond. Well that's OK then isn't it. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:48 - Feb 4 with 1309 views | Libero |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 06:59 - Feb 4 by noggin |
I heard that in a recent poll, a quarter of young adults would prefer a dictator over the current system of accountability. That is actually shocking. |
I saw a bit on this on the newsagents.
I’ve been intermittently crashing out ever since the inauguration, Elon’s fascist salute and the ever increasing wave of some of worst right wing politicians in the UK going over to America and supporting Trump in his narrative(s)
My 5 year old son has high support needs.
I fear for the world he is growing in to and what place he will personally have in it when extremism right wing views held by the likes of Reform and Tommy Robinson are considered a viable ideology.
Trump is awful but we’re very much at risk of ushering in a government next time around run by equally ignorant and dangerous bigots, if polls are to be believed.
Comments made by Reform’s MP’s and the “contract” they put out at manifesto time during the election paints an awful picture of a United Kingdom run by them with returns to archaic ways of thinking in regards to disability and support offered.
Fascism is on the rise across the western world and there’s a whole host of seemingly normal people in our country actively willing it on and cheering.
Very bleak times, indeed. [Post edited 4 Feb 11:00]
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:49 - Feb 4 with 1290 views | positivity |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:47 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Oh it was meant for Phillip Hammond. Well that's OK then isn't it. |
have you never had a joke with your mates? odd! | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:51 - Feb 4 with 1264 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:49 - Feb 4 by positivity |
have you never had a joke with your mates? odd! |
Well, i wouldnt leave a note for a colleague laughing that I'd screwed something up for them to fix, no. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:51 - Feb 4 with 1265 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:39 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Wrong! It was former Labour Chief Treasury Secretary Liam Byrne after Labour departed in 2010 leaving the country broke. I am not aware of any other senior ministers leaving such notes. Can you give some examples please? |
You're not aware of any other senior ministers leaving such jokey notes because you've believed the right-wing story spreading that particular one and haven't looked into any further.
"Laws broke convention by publicly exploiting the private message an outgoing minister traditionally leaves for an incomer when a government changes after an election"
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2023/07/liam-byrne-la
"Leaving the Treasury after Labour’s victory in the 1964 election, the outgoing Tory chancellor Reginald Maudling wrote a note for his replacement, Jim Callaghan, or possibly (accounts vary) spoke to him in person: “Good luck, old cock, sorry to leave it in such a mess.”
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/04/conservative-obsession-afraid-no-mo
"The outgoing Treasury chief secretary's misjudged note to his successor belongs to a wider tradition"
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2010/may/17/liam-byrne-letter-wider-tradition [Post edited 4 Feb 10:52]
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:54 - Feb 4 with 1226 views | leitrimblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:21 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're basing this on the small sample size of your grandparents?!
Everyone has to tighten their belts if we want to fix the economy, infrastructure, transport etc. that the last lot decimated. No-one's "gutting vital funding for the elderly and vulnerable" - this, again, is falling for the right-wing rhetoric. It's removing what wasn't necessary for the vast majority who have lost it, to be better spent elsewhere.
There will be some placed in a vulnerable position whatever you do, but you have to do what's best for the majority. |
Problem is Flash the Labour Party had a choice in who it targeted to pay to fix the economy etc
The fact they looked around the UK and thought the most appropriate people to pay more were pensioners. Who have paid tax all there life rather then richer or more powerful targets isn't a good look however you attempt to dress it. |  | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:54 - Feb 4 with 1216 views | positivity |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:51 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Well, i wouldnt leave a note for a colleague laughing that I'd screwed something up for them to fix, no. |
never handed over to a colleague when you were off on holiday with a jokey note, apologising for some task you hadn't quite completed?
wish i was as utterly perfect as you! | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:57 - Feb 4 with 1179 views | positivity |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:54 - Feb 4 by leitrimblue |
Problem is Flash the Labour Party had a choice in who it targeted to pay to fix the economy etc
The fact they looked around the UK and thought the most appropriate people to pay more were pensioners. Who have paid tax all there life rather then richer or more powerful targets isn't a good look however you attempt to dress it. |
tbf they're doing that too, non-doms, energy companies, richer farmers AND richer pensioners. agree that the comms were rubbish though | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:57 - Feb 4 with 1179 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:54 - Feb 4 by leitrimblue |
Problem is Flash the Labour Party had a choice in who it targeted to pay to fix the economy etc
The fact they looked around the UK and thought the most appropriate people to pay more were pensioners. Who have paid tax all there life rather then richer or more powerful targets isn't a good look however you attempt to dress it. |
It's not "rather than richer or more powerful targets" though is it? Among other things, they've also hit private tuition fees by adding VAT at the standard 20% rate. [Post edited 4 Feb 10:58]
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:02 - Feb 4 with 1118 views | blueasfook |
Well, at least the outgoing Tory chancellor actually said "sorry". Liam Byrne seemed to think it was all a huge laugh. Also, if it's breaking convention by publicising these notes, who publicised Reginald Maudling's note? Well done on trawling all the leftie rags for this info though. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:05 - Feb 4 with 1082 views | PassionNotAnger |
I’m sure Blueas response to acknowledge this and concede his previously opinion was ill-informed and will offer at least a partial retraction any moment….. | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:30 - Feb 4 with 986 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:02 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Well, at least the outgoing Tory chancellor actually said "sorry". Liam Byrne seemed to think it was all a huge laugh. Also, if it's breaking convention by publicising these notes, who publicised Reginald Maudling's note? Well done on trawling all the leftie rags for this info though. |
Oh dear Blueas. You've been caught with your pants down haven't you?
"at least the outgoing Tory chancellor actually said "sorry"" - you really are scraping the barrel of desperation there. It's always been a jokey note.
I didn't "trawl all the leftie rags" - I've seen it plenty of times before, they were just the first that came up with a quick google. But it's obviously more likely to be reported there than in the right-leaning rags you read who made this a Labour scandal.
I'd stop digging if I were you, this is painful to watch.
'Hoisted by your own petard' is such a beautiful phrase. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:32 - Feb 4 with 961 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:05 - Feb 4 by PassionNotAnger |
I’m sure Blueas response to acknowledge this and concede his previously opinion was ill-informed and will offer at least a partial retraction any moment….. |
We all know Blueas is a man of honour so it should be pretty quickly forthcoming... | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 with 929 views | leitrimblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 10:57 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not "rather than richer or more powerful targets" though is it? Among other things, they've also hit private tuition fees by adding VAT at the standard 20% rate. [Post edited 4 Feb 10:58]
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Look, I'm happy enough with their position on private tuition fees. But in reality that's probably only ever going to hit the lower middle classes trying to improve the prospects for their children.
I can't see it affecting the wealthiest to much.
The problem is if the Labour Party and some Labour supporters can't see how bad taking away fuel payments from pensioners looks it makes you wonder about their competence going forward | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 with 931 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:30 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh dear Blueas. You've been caught with your pants down haven't you?
"at least the outgoing Tory chancellor actually said "sorry"" - you really are scraping the barrel of desperation there. It's always been a jokey note.
I didn't "trawl all the leftie rags" - I've seen it plenty of times before, they were just the first that came up with a quick google. But it's obviously more likely to be reported there than in the right-leaning rags you read who made this a Labour scandal.
I'd stop digging if I were you, this is painful to watch.
'Hoisted by your own petard' is such a beautiful phrase. |
i didn't ask whether anyone else had written similar notes anyway. I was referring to a specific instance. If you think responding with some whatabouterry is some kind of gotcha then you enjoy the "win" buddy. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:44 - Feb 4 with 903 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 by leitrimblue |
Look, I'm happy enough with their position on private tuition fees. But in reality that's probably only ever going to hit the lower middle classes trying to improve the prospects for their children.
I can't see it affecting the wealthiest to much.
The problem is if the Labour Party and some Labour supporters can't see how bad taking away fuel payments from pensioners looks it makes you wonder about their competence going forward |
More shameful is the blind worshippers who'll try to find something good in it. They're even prepared to belittle their own elderly parents concern about their financial situation. Hope they're proud of the delightful cherubs they raised. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:46 - Feb 4 with 891 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 by leitrimblue |
Look, I'm happy enough with their position on private tuition fees. But in reality that's probably only ever going to hit the lower middle classes trying to improve the prospects for their children.
I can't see it affecting the wealthiest to much.
The problem is if the Labour Party and some Labour supporters can't see how bad taking away fuel payments from pensioners looks it makes you wonder about their competence going forward |
Oh right, you're happier with the policy that doesn't affect your family?
You said hitting pensioners "rather than richer or more powerful targets". I gave you just one richer target they've also hit. There are others.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like them to go further but in reality, as I said earlier, pretty much everyone needs to take a bit of a hit if we're to fix everything that's broken. Pensioners is an emotive one for obvious reasons, but when you look at it in the cold light of day it makes sense. I say that with parents who were affected. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:49 - Feb 4 with 862 views | BlueForYou |
The State Pension is under half of the Minimum wage. Not everyone of that age has a second pension or huge savings. That WFA decision will not be forgotten & will haunt this Labour administration. It was cruel & foolish, & put them on the back foot before they hardly started. Not surprised they are struggling in the polls. |  | | |
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