| Kier Starmer is now the 00:39 - Feb 4 with 20845 views | onceablue |
Most unpopular Prime MInister ever it’s official
Crikey that takes some doing!!!!! |  | | |  |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:50 - Feb 4 with 1060 views | MattinLondon |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
i didn't ask whether anyone else had written similar notes anyway. I was referring to a specific instance. If you think responding with some whatabouterry is some kind of gotcha then you enjoy the "win" buddy. |
I have to say that your replies are quite impressive. Not only have you doubled-down on something which you were wrong about . But you’ve actually quadrupled-down - don’t think I’ve seen that on here in quite so quick succession.
Well done sir. |  | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:50 - Feb 4 with 1060 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
i didn't ask whether anyone else had written similar notes anyway. I was referring to a specific instance. If you think responding with some whatabouterry is some kind of gotcha then you enjoy the "win" buddy. |
Haha, so you were just after information about who wrote that specific note, you weren't making a wider point at all?
It's not whatabouterry to say it's a tradition they all do and had been doing for years until this one was leaked. It's context.
You've admitted you didn't know of other examples and asked for some, I gave you them and now you're saying "i didn't ask whether anyone else had written similar notes anyway".
Jesus wept, stop embarrassing yourself. Everyone can see! |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:53 - Feb 4 with 1041 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:44 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
More shameful is the blind worshippers who'll try to find something good in it. They're even prepared to belittle their own elderly parents concern about their financial situation. Hope they're proud of the delightful cherubs they raised. |
My elderly parents aren't concerned about their financial situation, my dad's just annoyed he's not getting the free money he doesn't need.
And I haven't belittled them either, I've just stated a fact.
You're having a nightmare today Blueas. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:55 - Feb 4 with 1029 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:50 - Feb 4 by MattinLondon |
I have to say that your replies are quite impressive. Not only have you doubled-down on something which you were wrong about . But you’ve actually quadrupled-down - don’t think I’ve seen that on here in quite so quick succession.
Well done sir. |
Got to admire the poor sod's tenacity. He's been on the ropes for ages but still won't go down! | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:57 - Feb 4 with 1021 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:50 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Haha, so you were just after information about who wrote that specific note, you weren't making a wider point at all?
It's not whatabouterry to say it's a tradition they all do and had been doing for years until this one was leaked. It's context.
You've admitted you didn't know of other examples and asked for some, I gave you them and now you're saying "i didn't ask whether anyone else had written similar notes anyway".
Jesus wept, stop embarrassing yourself. Everyone can see! |
Ah the classic TWTD twist. The oft used tactic used to win an argument. Yes my original question was to ask about a particular note left by a particular minister. So I wasn't aware of other such notes, that makes no difference whatsoever to the point I was making. Just plain old whatabouttery as I said. [Post edited 4 Feb 12:00]
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:58 - Feb 4 with 999 views | blueasfook |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:55 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Got to admire the poor sod's tenacity. He's been on the ropes for ages but still won't go down! |
I'm like Rocky Balboa lol | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:05 - Feb 4 with 960 views | Benters |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 09:22 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Yeah those nasty pensioners. They deserve a financial kicking when they're struggling to heat their homes and put food on the table don't they. |
They don’t care if the odd thousand die from cold etc. |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:07 - Feb 4 with 956 views | Mullet |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:05 - Feb 4 by Benters |
They don’t care if the odd thousand die from cold etc. |
It’s really easily to be neighbourly, check on the elderly, get involved in the community if you think it’s an issue. |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:12 - Feb 4 with 941 views | jaykay |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 04:37 - Feb 4 by victorysquad |
They should make unemployed people work for the council, that will keep the bills down |
strange that ordinary people will always pick on the poor and not the rich. it proves the right wing and their media is working. always the minorities and the poor to blame for everything. not the filthy rich who lined their pockets during the last 14 years |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:21 - Feb 4 with 915 views | Bogblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 by leitrimblue |
Look, I'm happy enough with their position on private tuition fees. But in reality that's probably only ever going to hit the lower middle classes trying to improve the prospects for their children.
I can't see it affecting the wealthiest to much.
The problem is if the Labour Party and some Labour supporters can't see how bad taking away fuel payments from pensioners looks it makes you wonder about their competence going forward |
They could have at least tapered the cut-off for the WFA - not doing so shows a worrying lack of astute thinking and competence imho.
They seem to have lacked a thinker behind the scenes putting together a joined up plan for the “most gain, least pain to ordinary people” (albeit at least they’re going after Mone). | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:27 - Feb 4 with 896 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:57 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
Ah the classic TWTD twist. The oft used tactic used to win an argument. Yes my original question was to ask about a particular note left by a particular minister. So I wasn't aware of other such notes, that makes no difference whatsoever to the point I was making. Just plain old whatabouttery as I said. [Post edited 4 Feb 12:00]
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What was the point you were making? | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:28 - Feb 4 with 892 views | bluejacko |
Just as a matter of interest are any of you having a pop at pensioners actually living on one?
My wife and I are and as I have a small Army pension that lifts us out of any benefits that others may claim! If you all think it’s easy beware you will be here eventually! | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:31 - Feb 4 with 884 views | weepingx2018 |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 06:45 - Feb 4 by ITFC_Forever |
He’s the best one of the last 14 years.
People are stupid.
The utter car crash he’s inherited needs grown up decisions and will take an age to resolve. |
Agree 100% | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:32 - Feb 4 with 881 views | eireblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 by blueasfook |
i didn't ask whether anyone else had written similar notes anyway. I was referring to a specific instance. If you think responding with some whatabouterry is some kind of gotcha then you enjoy the "win" buddy. |
“I am not aware of any other senior ministers leaving such notes. Can you give some examples please?”
You have a funny way of not asking for something. |  | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:42 - Feb 4 with 851 views | leitrimblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:46 - Feb 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh right, you're happier with the policy that doesn't affect your family?
You said hitting pensioners "rather than richer or more powerful targets". I gave you just one richer target they've also hit. There are others.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like them to go further but in reality, as I said earlier, pretty much everyone needs to take a bit of a hit if we're to fix everything that's broken. Pensioners is an emotive one for obvious reasons, but when you look at it in the cold light of day it makes sense. I say that with parents who were affected. |
Quite the opposite really.
My parents kept their fuel payments and I will be sending my daughter to a fee paying school in 18 months.
It's just neither of these policies really effect the wealthiest in society and both give sh1te optics
If you think Labour is aiming for the right sections of society then fair enough. I see their lack of understanding and consideration for some of the poorest in society a worry that will be used by the likes of Reform ( who care even less about the poorest in society) to scream that Labour are outta touch with working people etc. |  | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:43 - Feb 4 with 848 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:49 - Feb 4 by BlueForYou |
The State Pension is under half of the Minimum wage. Not everyone of that age has a second pension or huge savings. That WFA decision will not be forgotten & will haunt this Labour administration. It was cruel & foolish, & put them on the back foot before they hardly started. Not surprised they are struggling in the polls. |
It should also be noted that 2 out of every 3 pensioners are on the old, basic pension which is significantly lower than the new state pension. |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:43 - Feb 4 with 848 views | textbackup |
Have I read this correctly, he had a meeting with a voice coach when everyone else was in lockdown?
Whilst he also demanded those from the tories resigned for doing similar?
Just so I’ve got the facts before I laugh at those saying how great he is. |  |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:45 - Feb 4 with 838 views | Bogblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:28 - Feb 4 by bluejacko |
Just as a matter of interest are any of you having a pop at pensioners actually living on one?
My wife and I are and as I have a small Army pension that lifts us out of any benefits that others may claim! If you all think it’s easy beware you will be here eventually! |
Quite. In same position as you re small work pension; get by with additional income from renting out the annexe to my home, but the net profit £1,500 from that last year took me over the threshold so I then had to pay income tax on the total,to add insult to injury! Some people don’t realise the SP is a taxable income source.
Plenty worse off of course, but UK pension rates are amongst the lowest in Europe I believe. | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:47 - Feb 4 with 819 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:43 - Feb 4 by textbackup |
Have I read this correctly, he had a meeting with a voice coach when everyone else was in lockdown?
Whilst he also demanded those from the tories resigned for doing similar?
Just so I’ve got the facts before I laugh at those saying how great he is. |
I don't if you've read something correctly, what's the source and we can all see!? | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:48 - Feb 4 with 806 views | DJR |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 11:40 - Feb 4 by leitrimblue |
Look, I'm happy enough with their position on private tuition fees. But in reality that's probably only ever going to hit the lower middle classes trying to improve the prospects for their children.
I can't see it affecting the wealthiest to much.
The problem is if the Labour Party and some Labour supporters can't see how bad taking away fuel payments from pensioners looks it makes you wonder about their competence going forward |
I agree. That was an appalling decision in three regards.
1. It was politically naive and reckless.
2. It didn't raise that much money.
3 More importantly, it lacked what I would regard as a key tenet of Labour philosophy, namely, fairness, given its effect on poorer pensioners.
I don't think people with the political antennae of a Blair or a Campbell would have gone anywhere near such a policy, especially so soon into a Labour government. |  | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:50 - Feb 4 with 778 views | positivity |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:43 - Feb 4 by Pinewoodblue |
It should also be noted that 2 out of every 3 pensioners are on the old, basic pension which is significantly lower than the new state pension. |
if you're on the basic state pension and no other income, would you be eligible for pension credit and the winter fuel allowance though? | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:53 - Feb 4 with 750 views | bluejacko |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:43 - Feb 4 by Pinewoodblue |
It should also be noted that 2 out of every 3 pensioners are on the old, basic pension which is significantly lower than the new state pension. |
TBF the people on that rate can claim pension credit etc and that brings them up to £4 below the new rate,
They can then claim free dentistry and and eye tests etc that us just over the limit can’t get! [Post edited 4 Feb 12:56]
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:59 - Feb 4 with 722 views | DJR |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:53 - Feb 4 by bluejacko |
TBF the people on that rate can claim pension credit etc and that brings them up to £4 below the new rate,
They can then claim free dentistry and and eye tests etc that us just over the limit can’t get! [Post edited 4 Feb 12:56]
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My parents-in-law only had the old basic pension and were just above the limit for pension credit.
Had they been just below it, they would have been entitled to benefits and the like which would have far exceeded their pension.
My father-in-law has since died and my mother-in-law is still above the limit for pension credit for single pensioners. She is though now entitled to attendance allowance which she has been told entitles her to pension credit and she has recently put a claim in for it. | | | |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 13:01 - Feb 4 with 712 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:53 - Feb 4 by bluejacko |
TBF the people on that rate can claim pension credit etc and that brings them up to £4 below the new rate,
They can then claim free dentistry and and eye tests etc that us just over the limit can’t get! [Post edited 4 Feb 12:56]
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Wouldn’t it be better is everyone received the higher pension and the need for Pension Credit was removed. | |
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| Kier Starmer is now the on 13:02 - Feb 4 with 712 views | leitrimblue |
| Kier Starmer is now the on 12:48 - Feb 4 by DJR |
I agree. That was an appalling decision in three regards.
1. It was politically naive and reckless.
2. It didn't raise that much money.
3 More importantly, it lacked what I would regard as a key tenet of Labour philosophy, namely, fairness, given its effect on poorer pensioners.
I don't think people with the political antennae of a Blair or a Campbell would have gone anywhere near such a policy, especially so soon into a Labour government. |
Yer, I think you've pretty much nailed it there with those 3 points.
I'm not suggesting politics or governing a country is easy but as you point out their political antennas seem so far off its not easy to comprehended.
Don't put pensioners ( even those above the threshold ) into any kinda hardship. They have paid their taxes, done there dues. I don't want a single 1 of um worrying about the heating bills or whatever. [Post edited 4 Feb 13:04]
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