| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan 17:36 - Feb 10 with 3197 views | StokieBlue |
Question whether the US legal system is allowed to challenge the president:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx3j5k63xo
Anyone out there still willing to defend this administration?
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 17:42 - Feb 10 with 3156 views | CaptainAhab |
Effing terrifying.
Riding high in the opinion polls over there though, so a lot of Americans are liking what they see.
There was a report published in the Times recently which said over half of all Gen Z surveyed would prefer a dictatorship than democracy. Well I guess we'll get to see how that works out soon enough... |  | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 18:01 - Feb 10 with 3075 views | Churchman |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 17:42 - Feb 10 by CaptainAhab |
Effing terrifying.
Riding high in the opinion polls over there though, so a lot of Americans are liking what they see.
There was a report published in the Times recently which said over half of all Gen Z surveyed would prefer a dictatorship than democracy. Well I guess we'll get to see how that works out soon enough... |
We don’t need to wait. We all know how dictatorships work out.
However, while I don’t know how the American constitution works, I do know that the checks and balances within it have been pretty effective since the Civil War. |  | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 20:02 - Feb 10 with 2906 views | Oldsmoker |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 18:01 - Feb 10 by Churchman |
We don’t need to wait. We all know how dictatorships work out.
However, while I don’t know how the American constitution works, I do know that the checks and balances within it have been pretty effective since the Civil War. |
Trump is throwing sh*t against the wall to see what sticks.
There have been a few non-constitutional executive orders that Trump has signed.
He rescinded Birther rights - You're a citizen if you're born in the US no more.
Fun fact - The UK doesn't guarantee you're a subject if born to foreign parents on a holiday - you have to apply.
Sacking Civil servants, FBI and CIA personnel with no notice or due cause.
"Don't like your face" doesn't transfer from the bullys' school playground to the Federal government but Trump says it does.
Anyone don't like it then they can spend millions of dollars appealing to the courts which are stuffed with Right-wing leaning judges.
Popcorn at the ready. |  |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 20:19 - Feb 10 with 2851 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 18:01 - Feb 10 by Churchman |
We don’t need to wait. We all know how dictatorships work out.
However, while I don’t know how the American constitution works, I do know that the checks and balances within it have been pretty effective since the Civil War. |
Those checks and balances are going to get severely tested by this administration.
Both houses and a Supreme Court that could go 7-2 for Trump if two resign/retire/die in the next 4 years, as two of the Dem appointees are expected to.
It’s not going to be pretty.
And that’s before you throw in Vance’s rant about saying the administration should not be accountable to the courts |  | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 23:38 - Feb 10 with 2644 views | reusersfreekicks |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 20:19 - Feb 10 by ElderGrizzly |
Those checks and balances are going to get severely tested by this administration.
Both houses and a Supreme Court that could go 7-2 for Trump if two resign/retire/die in the next 4 years, as two of the Dem appointees are expected to.
It’s not going to be pretty.
And that’s before you throw in Vance’s rant about saying the administration should not be accountable to the courts |
What a pathetic specimen Vance is.
Like the bullies grovelling superfan with no backbone character or morals. |  | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 06:44 - Feb 11 with 2492 views | BlueBadger |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 23:38 - Feb 10 by reusersfreekicks |
What a pathetic specimen Vance is.
Like the bullies grovelling superfan with no backbone character or morals. |
The Richard Hammond of US politics. |  |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 07:12 - Feb 11 with 2446 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 23:38 - Feb 10 by reusersfreekicks |
What a pathetic specimen Vance is.
Like the bullies grovelling superfan with no backbone character or morals. |
Trump last night suggested “Ukraine may be Russia someday”, just 24 hours before Vance meets Zelensky.
Mob boss tactics again while doing Putin’s bidding | | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 08:39 - Feb 11 with 2347 views | NthQldITFC |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 20:02 - Feb 10 by Oldsmoker |
Trump is throwing sh*t against the wall to see what sticks.
There have been a few non-constitutional executive orders that Trump has signed.
He rescinded Birther rights - You're a citizen if you're born in the US no more.
Fun fact - The UK doesn't guarantee you're a subject if born to foreign parents on a holiday - you have to apply.
Sacking Civil servants, FBI and CIA personnel with no notice or due cause.
"Don't like your face" doesn't transfer from the bullys' school playground to the Federal government but Trump says it does.
Anyone don't like it then they can spend millions of dollars appealing to the courts which are stuffed with Right-wing leaning judges.
Popcorn at the ready. |
'"Don't like your face" doesn't transfer from the bullys' school playground to the Federal government but Trump says it does.'
Remind me again - which is which? |  |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 08:58 - Feb 11 with 2255 views | blueasfook |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 17:42 - Feb 10 by CaptainAhab |
Effing terrifying.
Riding high in the opinion polls over there though, so a lot of Americans are liking what they see.
There was a report published in the Times recently which said over half of all Gen Z surveyed would prefer a dictatorship than democracy. Well I guess we'll get to see how that works out soon enough... |
Trump in "Doing exactly what he said he'd do during his campaign" shocker!!! |  |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 09:19 - Feb 11 with 2185 views | reusersfreekicks |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 08:58 - Feb 11 by blueasfook |
Trump in "Doing exactly what he said he'd do during his campaign" shocker!!! |
#appeasement | | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 09:24 - Feb 11 with 2175 views | blueasfook |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 09:19 - Feb 11 by reusersfreekicks |
#appeasement |
Speaking of appeasement... Have you seen Mandy's spectacular U-Turn now he's been appointed US Ambassador?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8j5n3z7epo
Stomach-churning ass kissing. | |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 09:56 - Feb 11 with 2090 views | CrockerITFC |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 20:02 - Feb 10 by Oldsmoker |
Trump is throwing sh*t against the wall to see what sticks.
There have been a few non-constitutional executive orders that Trump has signed.
He rescinded Birther rights - You're a citizen if you're born in the US no more.
Fun fact - The UK doesn't guarantee you're a subject if born to foreign parents on a holiday - you have to apply.
Sacking Civil servants, FBI and CIA personnel with no notice or due cause.
"Don't like your face" doesn't transfer from the bullys' school playground to the Federal government but Trump says it does.
Anyone don't like it then they can spend millions of dollars appealing to the courts which are stuffed with Right-wing leaning judges.
Popcorn at the ready. |
Well your example of the birth rights executive order has been frozen by the US courts (and by a Reagan appointed judge no less).
The thing that worries me more than anything else though is the combination of deep-state mindset, their access to guns and the gullibility of some Americans...how far will things go in the US?
Is part of their tactic to push thing to the point where they are consistently blocked by courts and then play on the deep-state mentality to effectively erode the rule of law. It wouldn't surprise me if they followed the same playbook we saw in the UK, like labelling judges as traitors / using combative language. Except in the US, this strategy actually might take hold because of the pre-existing deep-state mindset.
Unfortunately, because of the combination listed above, mob rule or the threat of the mob could replace rule of law as long as Trump's popularity doesn't crash. Trump is emboldened by the fact that judges wimped out of giving him a prison sentence. That was the first major test of the rule of law vs the potential threat of mob rule.
Also J6 was a good example of the mob heeding the call for mob rule/mob justice and they will also be emboldened by the fact that they know Trump will pardon them. [Post edited 11 Feb 9:59]
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 10:03 - Feb 11 with 2061 views | NthQldITFC |
Massive overstatement there - he's treading a diplomatic line whilst saying we're not going to agree with everything Dump does.
I'm not a massive fan of Mandelson or the government he respresents, but your assessment there is way off. | |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 12:32 - Feb 11 with 1911 views | Oldsmoker |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 09:56 - Feb 11 by CrockerITFC |
Well your example of the birth rights executive order has been frozen by the US courts (and by a Reagan appointed judge no less).
The thing that worries me more than anything else though is the combination of deep-state mindset, their access to guns and the gullibility of some Americans...how far will things go in the US?
Is part of their tactic to push thing to the point where they are consistently blocked by courts and then play on the deep-state mentality to effectively erode the rule of law. It wouldn't surprise me if they followed the same playbook we saw in the UK, like labelling judges as traitors / using combative language. Except in the US, this strategy actually might take hold because of the pre-existing deep-state mindset.
Unfortunately, because of the combination listed above, mob rule or the threat of the mob could replace rule of law as long as Trump's popularity doesn't crash. Trump is emboldened by the fact that judges wimped out of giving him a prison sentence. That was the first major test of the rule of law vs the potential threat of mob rule.
Also J6 was a good example of the mob heeding the call for mob rule/mob justice and they will also be emboldened by the fact that they know Trump will pardon them. [Post edited 11 Feb 9:59]
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That sums it up nicely.
Trump can destroy well established norms with the stroke of a pen.
His opposition has to go the long way round to stop him - courts, appeals, congress votes etc.
He has to be the center of attention.
If he's not the lead story then he wants the TV anchor sacked or the newspaper editor sacked.
This will be a constant sh*tstorm set on repeat, day after day after day...... | |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 12:51 - Feb 11 with 1853 views | itfcjoe |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 09:56 - Feb 11 by CrockerITFC |
Well your example of the birth rights executive order has been frozen by the US courts (and by a Reagan appointed judge no less).
The thing that worries me more than anything else though is the combination of deep-state mindset, their access to guns and the gullibility of some Americans...how far will things go in the US?
Is part of their tactic to push thing to the point where they are consistently blocked by courts and then play on the deep-state mentality to effectively erode the rule of law. It wouldn't surprise me if they followed the same playbook we saw in the UK, like labelling judges as traitors / using combative language. Except in the US, this strategy actually might take hold because of the pre-existing deep-state mindset.
Unfortunately, because of the combination listed above, mob rule or the threat of the mob could replace rule of law as long as Trump's popularity doesn't crash. Trump is emboldened by the fact that judges wimped out of giving him a prison sentence. That was the first major test of the rule of law vs the potential threat of mob rule.
Also J6 was a good example of the mob heeding the call for mob rule/mob justice and they will also be emboldened by the fact that they know Trump will pardon them. [Post edited 11 Feb 9:59]
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How far can the courts/judges go to stand up to him? With the way he and those around him are acting it is probably a case of both not being able to go far enough to stop him, but going too far that it helps his narrative. |  |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 13:05 - Feb 11 with 1797 views | lowhouseblue |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 20:19 - Feb 10 by ElderGrizzly |
Those checks and balances are going to get severely tested by this administration.
Both houses and a Supreme Court that could go 7-2 for Trump if two resign/retire/die in the next 4 years, as two of the Dem appointees are expected to.
It’s not going to be pretty.
And that’s before you throw in Vance’s rant about saying the administration should not be accountable to the courts |
it is essential that the administration should be held accountable to the courts and should be held to the constitution. it does make you realise what a disaster it is having politically appointed judiciary - the lack of political independence allows people like vance to (wrongly) dismiss their legitimacy. if the courts were agreed to be non-political then them ruling against the administration would be unanswerable even by vance et al. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 14:03 - Feb 11 with 1626 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 12:51 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
How far can the courts/judges go to stand up to him? With the way he and those around him are acting it is probably a case of both not being able to go far enough to stop him, but going too far that it helps his narrative. |
With all of this, there will be elements of knowing the courts will say no to some things, they know they'll fail and it will be used to strengthen the narrative of Musk/MAGA.
100% this will be part of the plan | | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 14:15 - Feb 11 with 1579 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 07:12 - Feb 11 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump last night suggested “Ukraine may be Russia someday”, just 24 hours before Vance meets Zelensky.
Mob boss tactics again while doing Putin’s bidding |
Looks like it is working:
"In extended interview with the Guardian, Ukraine’s president says he will offer US firms lucrative reconstruction contracts to try to get Trump onside"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/zelenskyy-europe-cannot-guarantee- | | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 14:33 - Feb 11 with 1518 views | Sarge |
Not a good look. Especially when the American position is to “prioritise growth over safety”. We should be distancing ourselves as much as diplomatically possible from these kinds of statements and the people that make them. | | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 14:45 - Feb 11 with 1480 views | DJR |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 14:33 - Feb 11 by Sarge |
Not a good look. Especially when the American position is to “prioritise growth over safety”. We should be distancing ourselves as much as diplomatically possible from these kinds of statements and the people that make them. |
It's not just safety but also accuracy and the scope for manipulation.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-misle
AI chatbots distort and mislead when asked about current affairs, BBC finds
Most answers had ‘significant issues’ when researchers asked services to use broadcaster’s news articles as source
https://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/documents/bbc-research-into-ai-assistants.pdf
The answers produced by the AI assistants contained significant inaccuracies and distorted content from the BBC. In particular:
• 51% of all AI answers to questions about the news were judged to have significant
issues of some form.
• 19% of AI answers which cited BBC content introduced factual errors – incorrect factual
statements, numbers and dates.
• 13% of the quotes sourced from BBC articles were either altered from the original
source or not present in the article cited. |  | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 15:14 - Feb 11 with 1413 views | CrockerITFC |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 12:51 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
How far can the courts/judges go to stand up to him? With the way he and those around him are acting it is probably a case of both not being able to go far enough to stop him, but going too far that it helps his narrative. |
I think that's the million dollar question, especially as I had forgotten about last summer's immunity ruling by the Supreme Court so effectively a president can't be prosecuted when carrying out "official acts". I guess it's just depends on how far does the terminology "official acts" goes. | | | |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 15:16 - Feb 11 with 1407 views | Clapham_Junction |
| So it looks like we have moved onto stage 2 of the Trump plan on 13:05 - Feb 11 by lowhouseblue |
it is essential that the administration should be held accountable to the courts and should be held to the constitution. it does make you realise what a disaster it is having politically appointed judiciary - the lack of political independence allows people like vance to (wrongly) dismiss their legitimacy. if the courts were agreed to be non-political then them ruling against the administration would be unanswerable even by vance et al. |
Sadly I don't think political independence would make any difference to how judgements or legitimacy of the judiciary are viewed by people that support figures such as Trump, Vance and their equivalents in other countries or their media cheerleaders.
Judges in the UK were branded 'enemies of the people' because they ruled against the government. Reform and the right-wing of the Tories regularly complain about the British judicial system.
Likewise the Israeli government constantly attacks the judiciary as a 'leftist' institution because it regularly blocks or overturns its decisions (to the extent that the government is trying to impose a more political system of appointing judges). |  | | |
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