| I was talking to..... on 16:13 - Feb 17 with 1948 views | DJR |
| I was talking to..... on 15:44 - Feb 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Think you’ll find he said I was as bad as a smack dealer
That’s my point that none of you posted against it. if that was me saying something as ridiculous and offensive towards his job, I’d have been crucified
Anyway you’re the only one putting yourself in the clique. My list of names in my head didn’t include you. I post far less on here these days so only remember those who shout loudest. You as of yet do not. So no I guess you’re not in the clique |
I saw that comment and thought it was insensitive given it was not so long ago that you had said you had got your dream job.
The thing is though that there is quite a lot on here of what I would regard as equally insensitive, rude or abusive comments (and not just on the general section) but I don't feel it is my role to get involved every time I see such a comment. And I have never thought of reporting a comment for abuse, given my overriding belief in free speech.
The only time I have got involved is posts where a particular poster has been the object of sustained personal attack, but I think those are few and far between.
Certainly this thread has been nothing like that. As it is, Lowhouse argues robustly and well, and in my view seems more than capable of standing up for himself. [Post edited 17 Feb 16:14]
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| I was talking to..... on 16:19 - Feb 17 with 1917 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| I was talking to..... on 16:13 - Feb 17 by DJR |
I saw that comment and thought it was insensitive given it was not so long ago that you had said you had got your dream job.
The thing is though that there is quite a lot on here of what I would regard as equally insensitive, rude or abusive comments (and not just on the general section) but I don't feel it is my role to get involved every time I see such a comment. And I have never thought of reporting a comment for abuse, given my overriding belief in free speech.
The only time I have got involved is posts where a particular poster has been the object of sustained personal attack, but I think those are few and far between.
Certainly this thread has been nothing like that. As it is, Lowhouse argues robustly and well, and in my view seems more than capable of standing up for himself. [Post edited 17 Feb 16:14]
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For the record, I’m not saying I wanted people jumping in. Quite the opposite. My point was that if someone not in their group had said the exact same comment to someone they like, it would’ve become a 10 pager.
That’s the difference.
I’m with you - in general it’s best keeping out. In fact my only reply in this thread really was to agree with J2 for putting his head on the chopping block and becoming a target going forward. And I didn’t say that until page 9 anyway! |  |
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| I was talking to..... on 16:25 - Feb 17 with 1889 views | DJR |
| I was talking to..... on 16:00 - Feb 17 by Churchman |
I don’t downvote either barring the odd one for stirrers from other clubs; trolling. I see no purpose in it.
“The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.”
John Stuart Mill.
Best buddies Trump and Putin along with JD (Jerk Dimwit?) Vance clearly disagree with Mr Mill. |
Yes, and the point you make chimes with the following I said earlier in this thread.
As it is, I am a firm believer in free speech but I have no hesitation in criticising free speech which is inaccurate, and there is a large degree of hypocrisy going on here, because, whilst emphasising free speech, people like Trump and Vance seem to give scant regard to many other aspects of the liberal democracy the Age of Enlightenment gave rise to*. They also appear to be lacking in what I would regard as the sort of common decency that previous Presidents and Vice Presidents had.
*To take but one example, they both believe the 2020 election was stolen. | | | |
| I was talking to..... on 16:38 - Feb 17 with 1855 views | Herbivore |
| I was talking to..... on 16:19 - Feb 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
For the record, I’m not saying I wanted people jumping in. Quite the opposite. My point was that if someone not in their group had said the exact same comment to someone they like, it would’ve become a 10 pager.
That’s the difference.
I’m with you - in general it’s best keeping out. In fact my only reply in this thread really was to agree with J2 for putting his head on the chopping block and becoming a target going forward. And I didn’t say that until page 9 anyway! |
I'm not sure the group you think exists actually exists though. It's people responding to things they agree or disagree with. Some people have similar views on some topics, they have different views on other topics. That's life. |  |
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| I was talking to..... on 16:40 - Feb 17 with 1839 views | positivity |
| I was talking to..... on 16:25 - Feb 17 by DJR |
Yes, and the point you make chimes with the following I said earlier in this thread.
As it is, I am a firm believer in free speech but I have no hesitation in criticising free speech which is inaccurate, and there is a large degree of hypocrisy going on here, because, whilst emphasising free speech, people like Trump and Vance seem to give scant regard to many other aspects of the liberal democracy the Age of Enlightenment gave rise to*. They also appear to be lacking in what I would regard as the sort of common decency that previous Presidents and Vice Presidents had.
*To take but one example, they both believe the 2020 election was stolen. |
or they *claim* to believe the 2020 election was stolen.
find it difficult to believe that that's their actual view, but it's hard to separate delusion from the performative position that they believe they have to hold. |  |
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| I was talking to..... on 16:52 - Feb 17 with 1800 views | NewcyBlue |
| I was talking to..... on 14:25 - Feb 16 by J2BLUE |
As you asked so nicely.
For many years now this board has had two groups of posters who don't really agree on much politically and perhaps socially. It's a delicate balance. With GB gone and the other side growing in number by the week the board is now not much fun. To join that side it seems you have to leave your personality at the door and become a dour joyless member of the TWTD board police demanding answers and treating the board like it's the House of Commons. It's been sad to see a number of previously excellent posters get radicalised and patrol the board looking for things to be offended by.
They also have an excellent propaganda department where they frequently project their own actions on to the rest of us. The classic being the 'running to Phil' line while they are running to Phil and waving the imaginary yellow cards.
I realise some won't agree but you asked so I answered.
I now wait for the inevitable 12 responses from that side who will completely rewrite history and then pat each other on the back. Bingo card at the ready for all the buzzwords. I'll take disingenuous as my free square.
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Having met Glassers a few times, I have nothing but good words to say about him.
He is a thoroughly decent bloke, and excellent father.
There aren’t many that I wouldn’t have a (soft)drink with and a chat.
TWTD has always had a healthy attitude to discussion, including asking for clarification, source, and further comment. The last few years have become a bit more polarised, probably even since Brexit.
The ability to see other people’s views seems to be more difficult, with more exposure to very strong views.
How about an update on your weight loss thread? |  |
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| I was talking to..... on 17:14 - Feb 17 with 1725 views | J2BLUE |
| I was talking to..... on 16:52 - Feb 17 by NewcyBlue |
Having met Glassers a few times, I have nothing but good words to say about him.
He is a thoroughly decent bloke, and excellent father.
There aren’t many that I wouldn’t have a (soft)drink with and a chat.
TWTD has always had a healthy attitude to discussion, including asking for clarification, source, and further comment. The last few years have become a bit more polarised, probably even since Brexit.
The ability to see other people’s views seems to be more difficult, with more exposure to very strong views.
How about an update on your weight loss thread? |
I've sold out, Newcy. I'm on Mounjaro.
3 stone down since 27th Dec. |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 17:28 - Feb 17 with 1667 views | positivity |
don't tell jd vance, he'll explode at this shocking denial of free speech. his biggest "enemy" is closer to home than he'd like to admit! | |
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| I was talking to..... on 17:30 - Feb 17 with 1644 views | NewcyBlue |
| I was talking to..... on 17:14 - Feb 17 by J2BLUE |
I've sold out, Newcy. I'm on Mounjaro.
3 stone down since 27th Dec. |
Well done mate. It’s not selling out. It’s asking for help, effective management system. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 17:39 - Feb 17 with 1601 views | Herbivore |
And this is the issue, it's the new right who pose a genuine threat to liberty, including freedom of speech. The Tories similarly banned certain materials, including from groups like BLM potentially, from being used in schools. This is the kind of censorship people should be concerned with, not someone saying we should be very worried about right wing politicians lying through their teeth constantly to stoke culture wars. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 17:56 - Feb 17 with 1538 views | Dubtractor |
No mate, this isn't the free speech that needs to be protected, its that other free speech. |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 18:10 - Feb 17 with 1473 views | Herbivore |
She's genuinely awful. Thankfully she's also pretty useless and not very likeable. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 18:14 - Feb 17 with 1437 views | positivity |
it's a race to the bottom with reform, and the tories are losing this one too! | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 18:17 - Feb 17 with 1405 views | lowhouseblue |
i said i wasn't going to post on this thread again, but this is a new bit. it is shocking that in the us religious groups and now the federal government restrict and censor books in libraries and schools. it's a matter for librarians and teachers, not for religious zealots or political control. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I was talking to..... on 18:20 - Feb 17 with 1394 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I was talking to..... on 15:26 - Feb 17 by Kropotkin123 |
It comes across as a clique to me at times. I gave Lowhouse some advice and they are free to work on that when the dust has settled and you are free too.
It's nice to feel supported through up votes and down votes and I often use it as an "agree" or "disagree" button. But when you are a lone voice objecting, and you have multiple people disagreeing, it is pretty painful as an observer to see the same people down vote every single post made by the disagreeing party.
At that point you, as in all the agreeing people, are already clear to everyone that they disagree and the down votes subsequently come across as punative. The idea that you, the group in that circumstance, are open to a debate doesn't square with down voting the person on every post.
Crucially, as the down votes person, it doesn't feel like you and your viewpoint are genuinely being listened to and considered.
Just my opinion. Like Lowhouse, you can take it or leave it. [Post edited 17 Feb 15:28]
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Thanks for the thoughtful post.
I will seek to take your advice re repeated downvotes.
fwiw I just got extremely frustrated with the same responses each time when there is a clear and present danger to the western Liberal order. |  | | |
| I was talking to..... on 18:29 - Feb 17 with 1358 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I was talking to..... on 16:19 - Feb 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
For the record, I’m not saying I wanted people jumping in. Quite the opposite. My point was that if someone not in their group had said the exact same comment to someone they like, it would’ve become a 10 pager.
That’s the difference.
I’m with you - in general it’s best keeping out. In fact my only reply in this thread really was to agree with J2 for putting his head on the chopping block and becoming a target going forward. And I didn’t say that until page 9 anyway! |
I really don't think J2 has made himself a target. That's hyperbole on your part imo | | | |
| I was talking to..... on 18:31 - Feb 17 with 1344 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I was talking to..... on 15:22 - Feb 17 by J2BLUE |
Stop bullying me! |
Shut up or you'll get a Chinese wrist burn | | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 21:44 - Feb 17 with 1152 views | DJR |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 17:39 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
And this is the issue, it's the new right who pose a genuine threat to liberty, including freedom of speech. The Tories similarly banned certain materials, including from groups like BLM potentially, from being used in schools. This is the kind of censorship people should be concerned with, not someone saying we should be very worried about right wing politicians lying through their teeth constantly to stoke culture wars. |
Republicans, Tories and Reform aren't called conservatives for nothing, often paying lip service to the liberal values that are at the core of Western liberal democracy.
As the Clash once sang.
We will teach our twisted speech
To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men
To be young believers [Post edited 17 Feb 21:45]
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 22:05 - Feb 17 with 1110 views | Dubtractor |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 21:44 - Feb 17 by DJR |
Republicans, Tories and Reform aren't called conservatives for nothing, often paying lip service to the liberal values that are at the core of Western liberal democracy.
As the Clash once sang.
We will teach our twisted speech
To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men
To be young believers [Post edited 17 Feb 21:45]
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As Nailbomb once sung:
Violence is what you breed
Racism is what you breed
Hate is what you breed
What do you expect me to be? | |
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| I was talking to..... on 22:42 - Feb 17 with 1031 views | WicklowBlue |
| I was talking to..... on 20:17 - Feb 16 by Bigalhunter |
This
Be nice
#legend
Balls
Returning poster
Well said
Bad faith player |
Do I win with #leftiebumfest ? |  | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 23:19 - Feb 17 with 966 views | Swailsey |
If there’s a woke leftie clique why haven’t I been asked to join :( |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 23:22 - Feb 17 with 959 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 23:19 - Feb 17 by Swailsey |
If there’s a woke leftie clique why haven’t I been asked to join :( |
I think we are all in it by default. The only non-member is whoever is claiming it exists at any moment. |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 23:32 - Feb 17 with 933 views | positivity |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 23:22 - Feb 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think we are all in it by default. The only non-member is whoever is claiming it exists at any moment. |
...in whose head it lives rent-free! | |
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