| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! 08:53 - Feb 24 with 7502 views | Asa |
Absolutely love Kieran. He will forever be a club legend. I also wouldn't have wanted the guy replaced if we'd have gone down with Southampton's record this season. Absolutely he's earned his chance and deserves loyalty and I hope he'll be here for years to come because I believe he's going to go right to the very top in the long term.
However ...
We went into this season off the back of a joke of a League One season. Almost 100 points and goals and we absolutely dominated every match we played pretty much. We were insane. McKenna was a genius.
We went into this season off the back of a joke of a Championship season. Almost 100 points and goals and in many games we were second best in terms of possession and chances. But the genius of McKenna again got the team spirit sky high, patterns of play were brilliant, every knew their jobs and he got an extra 10-20 % out of every player as we stormed our way to promotion again.
This year was going to be different. We either went into the season with some players we loved that were, through no fault of their own, not going to cut it in the top flight, or we make wholesale changes to bring in quality and lose a bit of the soul and spirit initially and the new players have to get up to speed with the system.
We were always going to get a few hammerings. We were always going to be down there. The gulf is huge. We were always going to have signings that didn't work out.
However, I honestly expected that, whilst Kieran isn't going to come in as a young coach and consistently out-think Emery, Guardiola, Slot and Arteta from day one, that McKenna's ability alone would be worth 10 points over this season.
That a 20 or 25 point haul would be 30 or 35 because of his tactically ability and that we'd spot weaknesses, stop the opponents exploiting ours and I've not really seen that from him this season. Of course it's bloody difficult all things considered.
Spurs were pretty poor and aimless earlier in the season and we were great. Tactically you could say we were good. Chelsea owed a lot to Delap being out of this world, albeit the tactically side wasn't bad.
So in summary, Kieran is a god, I love him, I want him to stay, he will learn and not having a pop at all, but I thought that no matter what the squad, players, season looked like, him alone might eek out a little bit more than what we've seen from the squad. That's been probably the biggest disappointment for me.
He's not as ready for this level as I thought he'd be, which is fine. He will be. But I did think we'd be sat here in February talking about 5 or 6 McKenna masterclasses that had totally outwitted opposition managers on the way to big wins, rather than what you could say has been 1 or maybe 2.
He's probably where he should be in his coaching journey and maybe I just expect too much of him based on the last two seasons but I do think he's on his way to being a phenomenal manager and thought he'd (possibly unfairly so) be a little bit closer to that at this stage than perhaps the reality suggests. [Post edited 24 Feb 9:20]
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 16:37 - Feb 24 with 1226 views | Nutkins_Return |
KM may well be worth the extra 10 points at the end of the season. We've been really unfortunate with the points total Vs performance IMO. But we are still the team ahead of the other two promoted.
Sometimes things are just really really hard and even if you want/expect more that's just not the reality in front of us. Simple as that sometimes. | |
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 19:42 - Feb 24 with 1128 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 15:15 - Feb 24 by ITFCSG |
Totally agree on recruitment which is the biggest issue for our current predicament.
1. Fixation on signing 10s for out-of-the-world prices even though we have a glut of players in this position
2. Over-obsession on certain players (Latte Lath, Broja, Philogene, Downes) causes us to lose out on others
3. Inability to recruit from abroad due to lack of proper overseas scouting network / McK's preference of home nations players
4. Muric. Enough said.
Also, even though I admit that the quality of the Prem are streets above the Champ and League One, I have not so far seen any "genius" from McK to change the game around this season unlike the previous two. No tactical changes and change of formation even if we are chasing the match. Instead it is "like-for-like" substitutions every week and teams have long sussed us out. All our return fixtures (with the exception of Villa and Fulham) have seen us worse off the first. Southampton was really the worst, I had no idea what the team and manager were thinking.
Being young isn't really an exception. Dino Mick has plenty of experience but I doubt anyone would want him back now. Hürzeler is 7 years younger than McKenna and look at his tactics when they played us at PR. In the second half he purposely had his team to sit back and draw us out and hit on the counter after realising the high press they employed in the first half wasn't going anywhere. Also, he is able to work with a team of international players from across the world effectively even though English isn't even his first language.
For all the praise McK gets bringing us from League One to the Prem, he is still a long way from being a genius or the messiah many people love to think he is. |
Most of this is a crock of nonsense, but the biggest is "2. Over-obsession on certain players (Latte Lath, Broja, Philogene, Downes) causes us to lose out on others".
Tell me who we lost out on, and indeed why being interested in certain players means we lost out on others. |  |
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 22:37 - Feb 24 with 1076 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 10:23 - Feb 24 by jasondozzell |
Understand your reasoning but I just don't agree. I think if you'd ask him himself, he might well say that this season and having us top of the promoted sides, within touching distance of safety after three quarters of season , with some outstanding wins and some excellent performances against top sides is his biggest achievement to date.
It's all about context. |
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 22:55 - Feb 24 with 1059 views | jasondozzell |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 22:37 - Feb 24 by reusersfreekicks |
Cool aidtastic |
So did you think outperforming Leicester and Saints this season was a given? Bare minimum?
Which teams did you think we should be ahead of in this league? |  | | |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:04 - Feb 24 with 1049 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 22:55 - Feb 24 by jasondozzell |
So did you think outperforming Leicester and Saints this season was a given? Bare minimum?
Which teams did you think we should be ahead of in this league? |
Some outstanding wins!
We have won 3 games all season.
We have brought in a number of players who have been no improvement.
We have about 10 players for 2 or 3 places behind the forward.
We have played Clarke, Philogene, Johnson Godfrey and even Greaves (after injury) before they were ready to start.
We keep coming conceding the same type of goal when our r back gets roasted and our l back is not covering correctly.
There have been some promising performances but before the season started most posters expected us to stay up.
Let's not rewrite history [Post edited 24 Feb 23:54]
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:07 - Feb 24 with 1040 views | textbackup |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 14:54 - Feb 24 by mellowblue |
We were a little unlucky in that 2 of our bulker players are losing their legs, Luongo and Morsy. If those guys were a few years younger, could have made a difference. |
Sorry, a little unlucky? Did they age 4/5 years in the summer without anyone noticing?
Negative you hate Ipswich negative bla bla bla - but that’s not unlucky, it’s poor recruitment in that area, surely? |  |
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:14 - Feb 24 with 1034 views | jasondozzell |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:04 - Feb 24 by reusersfreekicks |
Some outstanding wins!
We have won 3 games all season.
We have brought in a number of players who have been no improvement.
We have about 10 players for 2 or 3 places behind the forward.
We have played Clarke, Philogene, Johnson Godfrey and even Greaves (after injury) before they were ready to start.
We keep coming conceding the same type of goal when our r back gets roasted and our l back is not covering correctly.
There have been some promising performances but before the season started most posters expected us to stay up.
Let's not rewrite history [Post edited 24 Feb 23:54]
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Some fair points. I'm especially with you over conceding the same goal. So many carbon copies of Sat . We aren't good with balls across box.
I still think there a way to go. We might well fulfill those expectations and stay up!! | | | |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:16 - Feb 24 with 1025 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:14 - Feb 24 by jasondozzell |
Some fair points. I'm especially with you over conceding the same goal. So many carbon copies of Sat . We aren't good with balls across box.
I still think there a way to go. We might well fulfill those expectations and stay up!! |
I respect your positivity and hope you are right. But can't see it sadly [Post edited 24 Feb 23:52]
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:50 - Feb 24 with 984 views | itfc_statman |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 09:12 - Feb 24 by Herbivore |
Despite our spending, at the start of the season we had the lowest squad value in the league. It was always going to take a lot for us to stay up, including a bit of luck that we've not really had (loads of injuries, poor officiating etc.) and the frustration is that a lot of the time we've looked not far off it but just not quite good enough to turn draws into wins or to get ahead in games when we're on top. We've definitely been punished for mistakes harshly, our xG against is better than 5 or 6 sides but we've conceded 0.39 goals per game more than we should have (that's 10 goals overall) while simultaneously underperforming against our own (admittedly low) xG.
Could McKenna have done more? Impossible to say really. He'll be working 12 hours a day every day to try and keep us competitive but the quality of the league is so ridiculous that it's a huge uphill battle. |
This isn't really true. On xG we are 19th in the table. | | | |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 02:57 - Feb 25 with 936 views | ArchiRob |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 10:05 - Feb 24 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Yep good point.
We signed 2 players for a very specific role and both of them had season ending injuries. How is your luck. |
We have also had 3 players sent off for receiving 2 yellows when two of them can be seen on Replays to clearly win the ball and the other was immediately after the most stone wall penalty I have ever seen not given. We have also given away 3 needless penalties and been on the very wrong end of VAR indescions |  |
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 06:28 - Feb 25 with 885 views | Blue_Heath |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 09:34 - Feb 24 by bazza |
He’s trying to play top 4 football With championship players, some of which are completely light weight, I agree he’s got bags of credit in the bank, but we should have taken more of a look at Fulham palace wolves Brentford Bournemouth and gone a bit more for the physicality, we are just to lightweight. |
Very true, defensive shape all wrong as discussed a few days ago with right back and other then Delap we have no presence. | | | |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 07:01 - Feb 25 with 859 views | Herbivore |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:50 - Feb 24 by itfc_statman |
This isn't really true. On xG we are 19th in the table. |
Which bit isn't true exactly? The xG stats are from here: https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg
Is it the bit about injuries that's not true? The bit about our mistakes being punished? The stats seem to back those points up, we're high up on the injury table and have been all season and we've conceded more goals than our xG against. If you're going to say someone is wrong, you should at least demonstrate why rather than quoting one bland stat from one particular (uncited) source. |  |
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 09:59 - Feb 25 with 745 views | Blue_In_Boston |
What we also have to remember is that the Premier League is also a leaning curve for KMK. He's done a fantastic job in getting us here, but just like the players he has found himself pitting his wits against a different calibre of manager than in League 1 or the Championship. | | | |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 12:11 - Feb 25 with 688 views | itfc_statman |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 07:01 - Feb 25 by Herbivore |
Which bit isn't true exactly? The xG stats are from here: https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg
Is it the bit about injuries that's not true? The bit about our mistakes being punished? The stats seem to back those points up, we're high up on the injury table and have been all season and we've conceded more goals than our xG against. If you're going to say someone is wrong, you should at least demonstrate why rather than quoting one bland stat from one particular (uncited) source. |
Footy Stats is not the place for xG stats. Anyone involved in stats knows that.
The best (free) source I can refer you to is FBRef.
We have an xG of 23.8 and have scored 24 goals
We have an xGA of 52 and have conceded 54 goals.
We have an xGD/90 of -1.08 which is universally uncompetitive in any division and guarantees relegation.
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| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 13:48 - Feb 25 with 640 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 23:07 - Feb 24 by textbackup |
Sorry, a little unlucky? Did they age 4/5 years in the summer without anyone noticing?
Negative you hate Ipswich negative bla bla bla - but that’s not unlucky, it’s poor recruitment in that area, surely? |
I think we put too much stock in being able to get Kalvin Phillips back somewhere close to his best almost instantly. I'd imagine we thought he could have the same sort of impact Barkley had on Luton but that really hasn't happened at all due to both form and fitness at different times. | | | |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 17:54 - Feb 25 with 570 views | Blue_Heath |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 09:59 - Feb 25 by Blue_In_Boston |
What we also have to remember is that the Premier League is also a leaning curve for KMK. He's done a fantastic job in getting us here, but just like the players he has found himself pitting his wits against a different calibre of manager than in League 1 or the Championship. |
L1 and the Championship was a learning curve also.
I agree he's done a great job to get us here and he's earned the right to bring us back up no question hopefully this is just a dip. | | | |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 21:37 - Feb 26 with 328 views | itfc_statman |
| Massive disclaimer here, so hear me out! on 12:11 - Feb 25 by itfc_statman |
Footy Stats is not the place for xG stats. Anyone involved in stats knows that.
The best (free) source I can refer you to is FBRef.
We have an xG of 23.8 and have scored 24 goals
We have an xGA of 52 and have conceded 54 goals.
We have an xGD/90 of -1.08 which is universally uncompetitive in any division and guarantees relegation.
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This was ignored but I'd Herbivore would like a legitimate statistical reason for our relegation the table graphic shows it | | | |
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