| Man city points deduction rumours 06:52 - Feb 26 with 7246 views | kiwiblue |
Google just posted a message about the points deduction of 60 points and relegation being a possibility. Is this a news story getting credibility in the UK? |  | | |  |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 10:51 - Feb 26 with 1921 views | Herbivore |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 09:30 - Feb 26 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
I am not being negative, I am just being realistic, while Leicester have been woeful Southampton are worse , we lost to them and they didn't have to do very much to get that result. West Ham were absolutely awful before we played them and we made them look like Brazil, as for Leicester, we haven't managed to beat them in 3 games so far between the seasons, so digs and downvotes at me aside, why do you really think we'll finish 18th rather than 19th? Are we really better than Leicester?
I just don't see it happening, especially with our knack for getting injuries and suspensions at crucial times. |
You are cherry picking individual results as proof we can't possibility finish above Leicester because you're relentlessly negative. What about wins against Chelsea and Spurs? Drawing at Villa with ten men? Drawing at Brighton when they were flying? Why only focus on the poor results? And why not consider how rubbish Leicester have been? They started the season better than us, we clawed back a deficit to sit above them where we are still sat. Just have a day off, FFS |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:00 - Feb 26 with 1883 views | Bugs |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 07:24 - Feb 26 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Do you honestly think the Premier League would sink such an important part of their brand? I just can’t see anything happening. They’ll get a 15 points deduction and told off or something equally pathetic.
Saying that, I still don’t see us finishing above Leicester, I just don’t think we’ve got it in us. |
You're forgetting that there are other clubs in the Premier League that have followed the rules, big clubs. They would kick up a huge fuss (this is an understatement) if city are found guilty of a shed load of the charges, but leniency was shown in the punishment.
This would create far more of a headache for the PL than throwing the book at city for cheating and having them out of the league for a season. |  | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:02 - Feb 26 with 1877 views | baxterbasics |
I am definitely in the 'doesn't seem likely' camp here and will believe it when I see it.
Obvious prefer to survive the proper way but if we need this I'll take it!
There is a worst-case scenario here: Leicester find some form and nick 17th place, and we have to compete with Man City in the Championship next season. |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:03 - Feb 26 with 1870 views | Chrisd |
Rather than getting our hopes up it would be nice if we could get ourselves out of trouble we currently find ourselves in. Nevertheless, City will have the best legal representation, they’ll get them out of this mess. |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:06 - Feb 26 with 1858 views | kiwiblue |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 07:24 - Feb 26 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Do you honestly think the Premier League would sink such an important part of their brand? I just can’t see anything happening. They’ll get a 15 points deduction and told off or something equally pathetic.
Saying that, I still don’t see us finishing above Leicester, I just don’t think we’ve got it in us. |
But they get us instead of them so its a fair swap, and Liam can go back and we can get Haaland on a loan deal for a fraction of his wages. | | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:06 - Feb 26 with 1857 views | portmanking |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:03 - Feb 26 by Chrisd |
Rather than getting our hopes up it would be nice if we could get ourselves out of trouble we currently find ourselves in. Nevertheless, City will have the best legal representation, they’ll get them out of this mess. |
The ridiculous thing is, we all know they're guilty. They've spent way, way more than their revenue over the years and inflated what revenue they *have* received. I just don't have faith in the legal framework of the PL. If Leicester could find a loophole, I don't see how City's world-class lawyers won't either. | | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:16 - Feb 26 with 1793 views | hype313 |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:06 - Feb 26 by portmanking |
The ridiculous thing is, we all know they're guilty. They've spent way, way more than their revenue over the years and inflated what revenue they *have* received. I just don't have faith in the legal framework of the PL. If Leicester could find a loophole, I don't see how City's world-class lawyers won't either. |
Although I do wonder if the PL legal team are getting all thier ducks in a row to make it watertight, which is why it's taking so long.
Also, it's not the 115 charges, it's 3, which are very serious and they are bang to rights on. |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:28 - Feb 26 with 1730 views | NthQldITFC |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:06 - Feb 26 by portmanking |
The ridiculous thing is, we all know they're guilty. They've spent way, way more than their revenue over the years and inflated what revenue they *have* received. I just don't have faith in the legal framework of the PL. If Leicester could find a loophole, I don't see how City's world-class lawyers won't either. |
Wasn't Leicester's loophole just that they were in and out of the PL and EFL and therefore is was a case of no clear relevant jurisdiction?
Citeh don't have that excuse, so the PL can either content itself with being seen to be shafted by one of its own, or go in balls out and set an example! (I hope, for our sake, but perhaps more so for the sake of the game) |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:35 - Feb 26 with 1686 views | hype313 |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:28 - Feb 26 by NthQldITFC |
Wasn't Leicester's loophole just that they were in and out of the PL and EFL and therefore is was a case of no clear relevant jurisdiction?
Citeh don't have that excuse, so the PL can either content itself with being seen to be shafted by one of its own, or go in balls out and set an example! (I hope, for our sake, but perhaps more so for the sake of the game) |
Indeed, this is a watershed moment, go soft and it will be open season on spending and loopholes, go hard and it will set a precedence. | |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:40 - Feb 26 with 1649 views | J2BLUE |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 07:24 - Feb 26 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Do you honestly think the Premier League would sink such an important part of their brand? I just can’t see anything happening. They’ll get a 15 points deduction and told off or something equally pathetic.
Saying that, I still don’t see us finishing above Leicester, I just don’t think we’ve got it in us. |
Did you see what the SPL did to Rangers in a two team league?
Rangers arguably still haven't recovered to this day. |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:44 - Feb 26 with 1620 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:02 - Feb 26 by baxterbasics |
I am definitely in the 'doesn't seem likely' camp here and will believe it when I see it.
Obvious prefer to survive the proper way but if we need this I'll take it!
There is a worst-case scenario here: Leicester find some form and nick 17th place, and we have to compete with Man City in the Championship next season. |
This is maybe a doomsday scenario (if it could even happen) ...
... BUT, if ManC were to find themselves in the Championship, one has to wonder how they could keep within FFP rules with the significant reduction for being in the EFL, and their huge wage bill.
Although unlikely to happen, it would be interesting to observe. | | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:46 - Feb 26 with 1590 views | jayessess |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:40 - Feb 26 by J2BLUE |
Did you see what the SPL did to Rangers in a two team league?
Rangers arguably still haven't recovered to this day. |
Serie A did it to Juventus. |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:00 - Feb 26 with 1512 views | Ralphinho |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:44 - Feb 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is maybe a doomsday scenario (if it could even happen) ...
... BUT, if ManC were to find themselves in the Championship, one has to wonder how they could keep within FFP rules with the significant reduction for being in the EFL, and their huge wage bill.
Although unlikely to happen, it would be interesting to observe. |
I was under the impression that its assessed over three seasons and the EFL and Prem are assessed separately? (which is why Leicester continue to get away without punishment) | |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:04 - Feb 26 with 1496 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I just don't see it, they might get a wrap but not one that will send them down. City will litigate for years, it's not worth the cost or hassle to the powers that be.
I'd love it to happen but just don't belive it will |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:10 - Feb 26 with 1456 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 07:24 - Feb 26 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Do you honestly think the Premier League would sink such an important part of their brand? I just can’t see anything happening. They’ll get a 15 points deduction and told off or something equally pathetic.
Saying that, I still don’t see us finishing above Leicester, I just don’t think we’ve got it in us. |
Bearing in mind you only started posting this year, I think you might be on the fast track to the most miserable poster we've ever had. |  | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:12 - Feb 26 with 1443 views | Smoresy |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 07:34 - Feb 26 by smithy69 |
Imagine being this positive at 7.24am in the morning
Your days must be quite an experience |
The forum appears to have gained its very own Colin Robinson, sucking the board's spirit wherever he sees it. At the same time, I don't truly believe Wally believes what he's written lol; cashing a cheque that for now has been written with crayon.
Yet the opinion behind the story is Kieran Maguire's, well-known football financial expert (FFE to your FFP), if it's proven that City's owners have been fraudulently pumping money in, so it isn't as totally lightweight as the websites publishing it. What a reprieve for the club that finishes 18th, should it come to pass! Counterbalancing the excitement are the bookies' odds, 14/1 in places; the summer consensus was 12/1 for City's relegation, so it's barely budged all season.
Could be Leicester in 18th, course it could, we've been inseparable for weeks and they still have us, still have Southampton to come, but likewise we still have them, and we had their number in the reverse tie before the omnishambles changed the game. Still a small chance it could be Wolves.. | | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:34 - Feb 26 with 1343 views | NedPlimpton |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 11:40 - Feb 26 by J2BLUE |
Did you see what the SPL did to Rangers in a two team league?
Rangers arguably still haven't recovered to this day. |
Sorry to be a pendant, but wasn't the Rangers situation more to do with them folding and the other clubs not voting to allow the newco into the SPL? |  | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:54 - Feb 26 with 1261 views | vapour_trail |
City if they continue on current trajectory will hit 64 points or so. Us and Leicester on for about 25.
Assuming they do get a big points deduction, I’d also assume it’s reduced on appeal. We could end up in a scenario where we’re scrapping with them on the last day. Be like the year 2000 all over again, albeit with a slightly bigger disparity in squad resources. |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 13:14 - Feb 26 with 1203 views | giant_stow |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:54 - Feb 26 by vapour_trail |
City if they continue on current trajectory will hit 64 points or so. Us and Leicester on for about 25.
Assuming they do get a big points deduction, I’d also assume it’s reduced on appeal. We could end up in a scenario where we’re scrapping with them on the last day. Be like the year 2000 all over again, albeit with a slightly bigger disparity in squad resources. |
...That would be quite a nice compromise for the FA too. Good call old fella. |  |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 13:23 - Feb 26 with 1155 views | Smoresy |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:34 - Feb 26 by NedPlimpton |
Sorry to be a pendant, but wasn't the Rangers situation more to do with them folding and the other clubs not voting to allow the newco into the SPL? |
Yes that was the case there - former Rangers voted in favour of letting new Rangers take its place but was slightly outnumbered! [Post edited 26 Feb 13:24]
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 13:34 - Feb 26 with 1110 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 12:00 - Feb 26 by Ralphinho |
I was under the impression that its assessed over three seasons and the EFL and Prem are assessed separately? (which is why Leicester continue to get away without punishment) |
It's a rolling 3 seasons, so ManC would have the allowable losses reduced for the season(s) in the EFL. I believe it's a reduction of £22M per season in the EFL.. So, for their first season in the EFL, the allowable losses would be £83M, not the £105M over 3 years rolling.
They would also lose significant TV revenue - there is the parachute payment to help offset some of this, but it won't come close for a club that will get significant extra TV money for how often they are televised.
This is the same as with us, where we do not get £105M allowable losses, but £61M for 2 years in the EFL before promotion. | | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 17:59 - Feb 26 with 759 views | monkeymagic |
Even if there is a heavy points deduction I imagine it will get reduced on appeal and applied to the start of the 25-26 season, thus giving them every chance to survive. | | | |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 20:04 - Feb 26 with 641 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Man city points deduction rumours on 10:51 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
You are cherry picking individual results as proof we can't possibility finish above Leicester because you're relentlessly negative. What about wins against Chelsea and Spurs? Drawing at Villa with ten men? Drawing at Brighton when they were flying? Why only focus on the poor results? And why not consider how rubbish Leicester have been? They started the season better than us, we clawed back a deficit to sit above them where we are still sat. Just have a day off, FFS |
We’ve had some good games, yes, but so did Luton. |  |
| An East Anglian Town overtaken by Londoners |
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| Man city points deduction rumours on 20:18 - Feb 26 with 617 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Whilst I doubt that will happen and expect the Man City lawyers to win if it did, the idea the Premier League brand benefits from Man City is not how I see it. The brand benefits from competitivity not one team dominating. |  |
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