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So labour have solved the small boat crossings 06:40 - Mar 4 with 4457 views

Unfortunately not there is a surprise!!!!!!

Whether you agree with the crossings here is not the issue.

592 people in 11 boats on 2/3/25

I thought Labour had appointed a high level high paid person to sort this.

I know if I had been given a project to do at work and after 8 months I was failing dismally I would be asked to step down

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:06 - Mar 4 with 1305 views

noggin

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:04 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Over the 10 years between mid-2022 and mid-2032, the population of the UK is projected to increase by 4.9 million (7.3%) from an estimated 67.6 million to 72.5 million; this increase is projected to arise from net migration of 4.9 million compared with 6.8 million births and 6.8 million deaths. Don’t think that is .00009% Are you getting your figures from Mr Starmer directly

4.9 million arrivals on small boats? Blimey, I didn't realise the problem was so big.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:08 - Mar 4 with 1299 views

onceablue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:05 - Mar 4 by DanTheMan
I agree they are dishonest about things, but I'm not sure I agree they are any more dishonest than those that came before them.

So ok to lie just tell tell big ones

crikey no wonder this country is in the state it’s in if that’s your attitude

My premise is don’t lie at all

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:09 - Mar 4 with 1289 views

DanTheMan

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:04 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Over the 10 years between mid-2022 and mid-2032, the population of the UK is projected to increase by 4.9 million (7.3%) from an estimated 67.6 million to 72.5 million; this increase is projected to arise from net migration of 4.9 million compared with 6.8 million births and 6.8 million deaths. Don’t think that is .00009% Are you getting your figures from Mr Starmer directly

I think it's worth pointing out here that whatever level of migration you'd want, we do need a decent amount of it given we are not at a replacement level of the population and a significant proportion of that population is elderly and is increasingly so.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:13 - Mar 4 with 1275 views

Keno

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:06 - Mar 4 by noggin
4.9 million arrivals on small boats? Blimey, I didn't realise the problem was so big.

just on the one day??

or do you want to give a timescale?

Im guessing something like 4.88 million of those were during the Tory government who promised to "stop the boats' but during 14 years failed miserably

0.2 million are during the labour government who are trying to find a resolution, have actually started to deport people and havent spunked feck knows how much on a scheme which I think resulted in 1 deportation, which was voluntary anyway.

Yes it is a 'big problem', but you seem unable or unwilling to apportion the blame to the failure to deal with on the right people, or wasnt to a 'big problem' when there were power?

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:23 - Mar 4 with 1229 views

Swansea_Blue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 07:56 - Mar 4 by onceablue
No Dan I am bemoaning the fact that Labour stated they would solve the problem and quite clearly knew they couldn’t Of course they didn’t say that because they wouldn’t have got into power I am bemoaning the fact that the Labour are as bigger liars than any other party. They said they wanted to bring honesty and transparency into politics and have done the complete opposite.

Anyone who believed them about stopping the boats is a bit tŵp, as they say over here. But you’re right that they over-promised and borrowed from the Tory/Reform playbook.

The country isn’t ready for a grown up conversation on immigration unfortunately and they prioritised winning over everything else.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:27 - Mar 4 with 1208 views

StokieBlue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:06 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Never said the Tories didn’t course they did But Labour won the election on many promises they just haven’t kept Isn’t that also lying?

Many promises? You've highlighted one that you've only given them 8 months to solve out of a whole parliamentary term and in reality the last month or more has been dominated by Trump and Ukraine which are both bigger problems.

So I wouldn't say it's lying at the moment, I would say it's you being disingenuous.

SB

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:30 - Mar 4 with 1189 views

Herbivore

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:06 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Never said the Tories didn’t course they did But Labour won the election on many promises they just haven’t kept Isn’t that also lying?

I'm no Labour fan, but they were elected to govern for 5 years. Expecting them to have fulfilled every election pledge within 8 months is ridiculous.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:30 - Mar 4 with 1188 views

StokieBlue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:04 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Over the 10 years between mid-2022 and mid-2032, the population of the UK is projected to increase by 4.9 million (7.3%) from an estimated 67.6 million to 72.5 million; this increase is projected to arise from net migration of 4.9 million compared with 6.8 million births and 6.8 million deaths. Don’t think that is .00009% Are you getting your figures from Mr Starmer directly

What percentage of that is from small boats? What percentage is from things like BH(O)? What percentage is from other avenues?

It's a totally meaningless stat without context.

We should have stayed in the EU where immigration was less and boat crossings were less which is odd given getting those under control were two of the reasons given for leading the EU.

SB

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:37 - Mar 4 with 1162 views

Keno

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:04 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Over the 10 years between mid-2022 and mid-2032, the population of the UK is projected to increase by 4.9 million (7.3%) from an estimated 67.6 million to 72.5 million; this increase is projected to arise from net migration of 4.9 million compared with 6.8 million births and 6.8 million deaths. Don’t think that is .00009% Are you getting your figures from Mr Starmer directly

So lets just clarify those figures

over the 10 years the UK population is expected yo grow by 4.9million

how many of those are expected to come in off 'small boats'? all of them??? Can you please confirm

I will make an assumption that you wish to engage in a proper conversation about the UK population and that you are aware of the issue of ageing demographics?

Without legal immigration, especially in a post brexit world, how you you intend we should deal with that issue?

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:53 - Mar 4 with 1127 views

blueasfook

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 07:29 - Mar 4 by onceablue

Would it also be great if Kier Starmer was honest for a change and admitted it can’t be solved . This won’t happen as unfortunately as no Politician wants to loose face

It can’t be solved because there are too many issues going on in the world. If you look at a map detailing current on going conflicts in the world the majority of Asia and Africa are in some form of conflict

Over the next 50 years there is going to be a movement of people never seen before. Europe due to its location is going to have to accommodate the majority of these people.

The reason for this movement whether to seek refuge or for economic gain is irrelevant.

The real question is how we financially pay for an increasing population and all the additional costs that come with that

I for one like the idea of knowing where the tax I pay is going. I have always loved the Liberal Democrat’s idea of paying an extra penny in tax for the NHS. Perhaps we could have an extra penny to try and sort the world’s problem

"Stop the boats" under the tories became "Smash the gangs" under Labour. Both ineffective rhetoric. I read an article on the Beeb last week where a team followed French police working on the northern coast to try to stop boat launches. It's like playing whack-a-mole. The police can't be everywhere at once to prevent the launches. I suggest we stop wasting money on this pointless pursuit (Somewhere in the region of £500m given to France so far I believe) and look at other ways of stopping the boat crosssings. Opening up safe routes seems a better option to me.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:59 - Mar 4 with 1121 views

DanTheMan

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:53 - Mar 4 by blueasfook

Agreed, or we just deal with the backlog here and get processing them faster.

We're not the only country dealing with this, the whole of Europe is.

Promoted by a certain dictator of course.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/border-and-migration-politics-and-the-kremlins-hybrid-war/

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:59 - Mar 4 with 1117 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:06 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Never said the Tories didn’t course they did But Labour won the election on many promises they just haven’t kept Isn’t that also lying?

Did Labour give a timeframe when it would be fixed by?

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 09:12 - Mar 4 with 1093 views

Whos_blue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:06 - Mar 4 by onceablue
Never said the Tories didn’t course they did But Labour won the election on many promises they just haven’t kept Isn’t that also lying?

A term of government is 5 years, not 8 months.
A stuttering start for sure, but lets assess what promises were broken or otherwise in 4 years time.
Personally I'm much more concerned about the rapidly disintegrating developments in Ukraine, where I happen to think SKS is actually trying to show some leadership.
Right now that is a more pressing issue than a one day spike in boat crossings.

Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 09:27 - Mar 4 with 1061 views

portmanking

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 09:12 - Mar 4 by Whos_blue
A term of government is 5 years, not 8 months. A stuttering start for sure, but lets assess what promises were broken or otherwise in 4 years time. Personally I'm much more concerned about the rapidly disintegrating developments in Ukraine, where I happen to think SKS is actually trying to show some leadership. Right now that is a more pressing issue than a one day spike in boat crossings.

Stuttering start?! Cor, I'll say. This lot have had well over a decade to prepare themselves for this opportunity. To see public confidence wane so quickly is a major issue in terms of their general authority.

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 09:37 - Mar 4 with 1041 views

Whos_blue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 09:27 - Mar 4 by portmanking
Stuttering start?! Cor, I'll say. This lot have had well over a decade to prepare themselves for this opportunity. To see public confidence wane so quickly is a major issue in terms of their general authority.

No problem with any of this but the fact remains we're 8 months into a 5 year term.
I'm in no way a Labour apologist. In fact as a Labour supporter I would argue my disappointment is felt more keenly as I was hoping for better than we've seen, but I'm ever the optomist!
I think it's been a good 7 days for SKS though. He's just about getting the Ukraine thing right. It may be a useful distraction from his current poor ratings.

Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 09:55 - Mar 4 with 989 views

vapour_trail

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:27 - Mar 4 by StokieBlue
Many promises? You've highlighted one that you've only given them 8 months to solve out of a whole parliamentary term and in reality the last month or more has been dominated by Trump and Ukraine which are both bigger problems. So I wouldn't say it's lying at the moment, I would say it's you being disingenuous. SB

Hmm not sure about that. I’d say labour have been fundamentally dishonest in their approach to this issue.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 10:09 - Mar 4 with 957 views

StokieBlue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 09:55 - Mar 4 by vapour_trail
Hmm not sure about that. I’d say labour have been fundamentally dishonest in their approach to this issue.

Perhaps that will turn out to be the case but they didn't say they would fix it within 8 months.

Happy to discuss at the end of the term and I suspect you'll be right that it's not fixed in any meaningful way.

It's also strange to me that the original poster thinks the problem isn't solvable but then seems to have believed labour that they could solve it and is now using that to criticise them for not solving it in 8 months.

SB

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 10:12 - Mar 4 with 947 views

DJR

Many countries have an issue with irregular migration, the US being one of the worse.

It is the UK's fortune to have a sea boundary, which makes entry much more difficult and dangerous, but it is impossible to prevent all irregular migration.

To pretend otherwise is a nonsense.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 10:12 - Mar 4 with 936 views

lowhouseblue

in terms of the risk in people taking dangerous crossings, in terms of the uk's treaty duties to process asylum claims properly, and in terms of our need to prevent people arriving who have no legal right to come here, the small boats matter.

BUT in terms of the numbers they are pretty much an irrelevance and a distraction form what is really going on. we've had net immigration of 3 million in 4 years - despite the previous government saying it was opposed to that. in public policy terms we have had governments following a policy of uncontrolled mass migration with absolutely no democratic mandate. the public hugely oppose it. that's the scandal here.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 10:15 - Mar 4 with 910 views

ArnoldMoorhen

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 07:56 - Mar 4 by onceablue
No Dan I am bemoaning the fact that Labour stated they would solve the problem and quite clearly knew they couldn’t Of course they didn’t say that because they wouldn’t have got into power I am bemoaning the fact that the Labour are as bigger liars than any other party. They said they wanted to bring honesty and transparency into politics and have done the complete opposite.

The Labour Party had "smashing the people trafficking gangs" as a General Election priority.

During General Election campaigns policies are put forward for the duration of the next Parliament, and the electorate then pass judgement on how the governing party did in fulfilling their manifesto commitments across the term of that Parliament.

"Smashing the gangs" invokves ntelligence-led, clandestine police work. It's counter-productive to have a running commentary on such operations until after they have concluded.

Not.giving updates on undercover Police work isn't the same thing as lying.

I suspect you knew all that.

As has been stated above, the only realistic long-term solution will be for the UK to join the Dublin Accords and then work to ensure a Europe-wide response.

But Europe securing borders will result in millions of extra deaths per year as Climate impacts increase. How many children dying of preventable disease, malnutrition or lack of water, are you willing to stomach to preserve your standard of living and way of life?

2050 - 2100 will see decades of unprecedented migration caused by water shortages and wars over control of water sources.

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 10:51 - Mar 4 with 812 views

Swansea_Blue

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 08:06 - Mar 4 by noggin
4.9 million arrivals on small boats? Blimey, I didn't realise the problem was so big.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 15:30 - Mar 4 with 662 views

HairBearBunch

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 10:12 - Mar 4 by DJR
Many countries have an issue with irregular migration, the US being one of the worse. It is the UK's fortune to have a sea boundary, which makes entry much more difficult and dangerous, but it is impossible to prevent all irregular migration. To pretend otherwise is a nonsense. [Post edited 4 Mar 10:14]

Indeed the US was one of the worse. But figures for before /after their change of government show that something can be done about it, if the voters wish it.

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 15:37 - Mar 4 with 643 views

DJR

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 15:30 - Mar 4 by HairBearBunch
Indeed the US was one of the worse. But figures for before /after their change of government show that something can be done about it, if the voters wish it.

You mean they've deported the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants?

Trump talks a good game but it is often hype.

After all, in his first term, he didn't build the wall or get Mexico to pay for it.

And how do you propose we stop the small boats, given the laws of the sea come into play?

Of course, if you're talking about legal migration, that is something the Government can control but there needs to be a proper debate.

Interestingly, the debate in the US (unlike here) isn't focused on those who come to the US legally, whether to work or study. Indeed, I think I head Trump the other week say that he welcomed legal migrants.

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So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 16:48 - Mar 4 with 581 views

J2BLUE

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HairBearBunch

So labour have solved the small boat crossings on 15:37 - Mar 4 by DJR

[Post edited 4 Mar 17:55]

Think I was trying to say similar - as you stated, the UK is blessed with a sea boundary; but that can work against us as much as it works for us nowadays.

Handy for WWII /Napoleon /Spanish Armada /rabies etc though.

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