| The negative cr@p has already begun ... 17:07 - Mar 8 with 5789 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
... from the usual suspects.
And yet people will ignore that for much of the game we matched an in-form team, away from home, that are pushing into the top half of the table.
Fine margins, and we could have easily come away with 3 points. A solid mid-field performance today, and some lovely interplay. Sometime it worked, and sometimes it didn't.
Yes, we've not been good enough at times this season, and have let the odd game get away from us. But at other times we've shown the promise of a team that could compete in this league. If we survive (as unlikely as it is), we have the foundations to build in this league. If we are relegated, we also have the same foundations to come back stronger. [Post edited 8 Mar 17:09]
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:13 - Mar 8 with 3654 views | bsw72 |
We are probably 2 maybe 3 PL quality players away from staying up, just not sure how a club who have not had any PL seasons in the last 5 can now compete as they have not had the chance to build a squad with the funding that PL seasons and parachute payments bring. |  | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:14 - Mar 8 with 3626 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:13 - Mar 8 by bsw72 |
We are probably 2 maybe 3 PL quality players away from staying up, just not sure how a club who have not had any PL seasons in the last 5 can now compete as they have not had the chance to build a squad with the funding that PL seasons and parachute payments bring. |
We’re about 8 players short of being good enough to stay up. |  |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:15 - Mar 8 with 3609 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Fine margins as has already been said on here. Perhaps we would have been better if we did not have nearly a third of the squad injured.
But that is life ...... and apparently football. |  | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:17 - Mar 8 with 3579 views | pointofblue |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:13 - Mar 8 by bsw72 |
We are probably 2 maybe 3 PL quality players away from staying up, just not sure how a club who have not had any PL seasons in the last 5 can now compete as they have not had the chance to build a squad with the funding that PL seasons and parachute payments bring. |
By using a foreign scouting network to bring in quality at bargain prices. We've brought in too many expensive English players who are simply not to standard, mainly because our success out-stripped our off field development. | |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:18 - Mar 8 with 3545 views | Blue_Heath |
I take it that's a dig at me? We've not been good enough all season and no we can't compete in this league presently, Wolves aside we are miles off it, look at the table.
Other than Palmer and Woolfy not sure what foundations we have, central midfield will be decimated, Delap sold, other players are not good enough and gap will get bigger again even if we go straight back up.
Not a dig at you personally but genuinely interested to know what this foundation is based on? | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:19 - Mar 8 with 3519 views | RedX |
Is that this weeks “you’re not allowed to complain” effort?
Mistakes were made on the line today. |  | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:22 - Mar 8 with 3456 views | nrb1985 |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:18 - Mar 8 by Blue_Heath |
I take it that's a dig at me? We've not been good enough all season and no we can't compete in this league presently, Wolves aside we are miles off it, look at the table.
Other than Palmer and Woolfy not sure what foundations we have, central midfield will be decimated, Delap sold, other players are not good enough and gap will get bigger again even if we go straight back up.
Not a dig at you personally but genuinely interested to know what this foundation is based on? |
Eh?!
So to be clear, you think if we came back up next season the gap in quality of that squad to the PL will be bigger than that of a side that was in League 1 two seasons ago?!
Quite the take if so. [Post edited 8 Mar 17:22]
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:23 - Mar 8 with 3435 views | Blue_Heath |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:22 - Mar 8 by nrb1985 |
Eh?!
So to be clear, you think if we came back up next season the gap in quality of that squad to the PL will be bigger than that of a side that was in League 1 two seasons ago?!
Quite the take if so. [Post edited 8 Mar 17:22]
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Not what I said, to be clear the gap from Championship to Premiership will be bigger again next year.
Still waiting for you reply to my foundation question if you please. Thank you. | | | |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:28 - Mar 8 with 3367 views | surreyblue |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:17 - Mar 8 by pointofblue |
By using a foreign scouting network to bring in quality at bargain prices. We've brought in too many expensive English players who are simply not to standard, mainly because our success out-stripped our off field development. |
Surely it's a stretch to expect a club that was in league one two seasons ago and hadn't had a sniff of the Premier league in nearly a decade to have a top quality international scouting operation? | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:29 - Mar 8 with 3355 views | Trequartista |
It was not fine margins today, Palace had better chances to score more. You can't just say if we score our chances we win and ignore the opposition otherwise any game is fine margins.
We played quite well but Palace were the better side, as you'd expect from the strength of their side. |  |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:29 - Mar 8 with 3336 views | nrb1985 |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:23 - Mar 8 by Blue_Heath |
Not what I said, to be clear the gap from Championship to Premiership will be bigger again next year.
Still waiting for you reply to my foundation question if you please. Thank you. |
The gap might be bigger but the base level of squad quality we have will be much much higher.
As for the foundation point, think that was directed at the OP not me. But not entirely sure what you mean.
We will clearly though have a squad of exciting young players who will be a year older and wiser. We may lose Delap but will gain a significant cash windfall and while midfield will need an overhaul, it's not like we will be short of funds. | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:31 - Mar 8 with 3317 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:18 - Mar 8 by Blue_Heath |
I take it that's a dig at me? We've not been good enough all season and no we can't compete in this league presently, Wolves aside we are miles off it, look at the table.
Other than Palmer and Woolfy not sure what foundations we have, central midfield will be decimated, Delap sold, other players are not good enough and gap will get bigger again even if we go straight back up.
Not a dig at you personally but genuinely interested to know what this foundation is based on? |
I will respectfully disagree with you that most of the players are not good enough - yes, right now many of them need more time to develop and build an understanding. But the green-shoots are evident (imo). They just need more time with Kieran, and in the gym.
Take Jaden - still a long way to go, but compare his tracking back and defending today, vs his first couple of games. And Hutch 'bouncing' players off him.
No, many of the players aren't there yet, but they will improve. We'll also get some more funds in over the summer to further build.
We won't need to sell over the summer, even if we go down, so much will come down to who we can persuade to stay the course, if we want to keep them.
IMO (again) there is a nucleus to build around, with time to develop those talents. | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:36 - Mar 8 with 3266 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:18 - Mar 8 by Blue_Heath |
I take it that's a dig at me? We've not been good enough all season and no we can't compete in this league presently, Wolves aside we are miles off it, look at the table.
Other than Palmer and Woolfy not sure what foundations we have, central midfield will be decimated, Delap sold, other players are not good enough and gap will get bigger again even if we go straight back up.
Not a dig at you personally but genuinely interested to know what this foundation is based on? |
Blimy friend. You sound like the sort whose glass is not only half empty but it is also leaking, evaporating and the tap to fill it back up is broken.
Chill. We have a squad which, while it is inexperienced in the EPL, wont be next year. Hopefully we will also have some of the 8 injured players back. While we may lose a few in the close season we may take on some more. All of them will be better for the experience.
And dont forget that we are above our highest finish for 20 years.
Chill, drink more beer and relax. It will all work out. | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:37 - Mar 8 with 3250 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:29 - Mar 8 by Trequartista |
It was not fine margins today, Palace had better chances to score more. You can't just say if we score our chances we win and ignore the opposition otherwise any game is fine margins.
We played quite well but Palace were the better side, as you'd expect from the strength of their side. |
Palmer made several outstanding saves and Henderson's were all routine? Didn't we have one cleared off the line too? I only listened to it but it sounded like fine margins to me. Was that not the case? |  |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:40 - Mar 8 with 3214 views | Vaughan8 |
I was driving towards the end of the game and had talk sport on (this was after the goal). They basically.said we didn't threaten much and Palace didn't have to play well to win.
Then I look at the stats and it looks fairly even. However the telling stat is of 15 shots, only one was classed as a "clear chance"
At the start of the season, we did score goals. Lately, we seem to be very lacking in goals.
Sounds like we could have got a draw but we're unlikely to win (which we desperately need). | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:44 - Mar 8 with 3188 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:29 - Mar 8 by Trequartista |
It was not fine margins today, Palace had better chances to score more. You can't just say if we score our chances we win and ignore the opposition otherwise any game is fine margins.
We played quite well but Palace were the better side, as you'd expect from the strength of their side. |
Maybe Palace were the better team overall, but it wasn't a gulf - and we competed, even if at times we were lucky that their finishing wasn't sharper. Conversely we had twice as many shots on target, which is a clear improvement for us - so we need to take more of those.
Look at it this way (in answer to your 'if we score our chances', if all on target chances had gone in, we win 4:8. OK, simplistic and an an unrealistic analysis, but it makes the point. | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:49 - Mar 8 with 3121 views | pointofblue |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:28 - Mar 8 by surreyblue |
Surely it's a stretch to expect a club that was in league one two seasons ago and hadn't had a sniff of the Premier league in nearly a decade to have a top quality international scouting operation? |
Hence I said, "mainly because our success out-stripped our off field development.".
Piggybacking on a system owned by Brighton's owner, which we then had to leave due to conflict of interest, possibly didn't help either. | |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:49 - Mar 8 with 3128 views | Trequartista |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:37 - Mar 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Palmer made several outstanding saves and Henderson's were all routine? Didn't we have one cleared off the line too? I only listened to it but it sounded like fine margins to me. Was that not the case? |
Their chances were more clear cut, the xg was 3.42 v 1.17. Fine margins are more like when both teams produce pretty similar threats and one goes in off a post for one team and not for another. Otherwise you could just say fine margins for any game that ends up 1-0. | |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:51 - Mar 8 with 3095 views | BarcaBlue |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:37 - Mar 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Palmer made several outstanding saves and Henderson's were all routine? Didn't we have one cleared off the line too? I only listened to it but it sounded like fine margins to me. Was that not the case? |
I thought Palace just about shaded it but that still makes it a fine margin. Henderson pulled off a great save from Delap that's gone unmentioned, a decent save from Enciso and a routine one from Philogene. That's apart from the one off the line so I think it's fair to say the margins were fine. |  | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:54 - Mar 8 with 3066 views | Trequartista |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:44 - Mar 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Maybe Palace were the better team overall, but it wasn't a gulf - and we competed, even if at times we were lucky that their finishing wasn't sharper. Conversely we had twice as many shots on target, which is a clear improvement for us - so we need to take more of those.
Look at it this way (in answer to your 'if we score our chances', if all on target chances had gone in, we win 4:8. OK, simplistic and an an unrealistic analysis, but it makes the point. |
Yeah I wouldn't disagree with any of that, maybe I just have a different definition of fine margins. | |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:55 - Mar 8 with 3027 views | benrhyddingblue |
Yeah, the same old brigade with their incessant negativity but little posting history beyond the middle of last season. Glory hunters throwing their toys out of the pram. One positive of relegation might be that some these people go back to whatever they were doing before Christmas 2023. | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:56 - Mar 8 with 3011 views | BlueBadger |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:55 - Mar 8 by benrhyddingblue |
Yeah, the same old brigade with their incessant negativity but little posting history beyond the middle of last season. Glory hunters throwing their toys out of the pram. One positive of relegation might be that some these people go back to whatever they were doing before Christmas 2023. |
Supporting Norwich? |  |
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:56 - Mar 8 with 3011 views | TractorWood |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:40 - Mar 8 by Vaughan8 |
I was driving towards the end of the game and had talk sport on (this was after the goal). They basically.said we didn't threaten much and Palace didn't have to play well to win.
Then I look at the stats and it looks fairly even. However the telling stat is of 15 shots, only one was classed as a "clear chance"
At the start of the season, we did score goals. Lately, we seem to be very lacking in goals.
Sounds like we could have got a draw but we're unlikely to win (which we desperately need). |
A lot of our shots were wild swipes.
We never looked like winning that game. We did cause Palace a few problems in the 2nd half (middle of) but it was mostly huffing and puffing.
Palace looked like scoring when they went forward. A trait we rarely display. A win today could have really got us going but yet again, when the chips are down, we fall short. [Post edited 8 Mar 18:00]
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| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:58 - Mar 8 with 2987 views | ernie |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:28 - Mar 8 by surreyblue |
Surely it's a stretch to expect a club that was in league one two seasons ago and hadn't had a sniff of the Premier league in nearly a decade to have a top quality international scouting operation? |
We have zero international scouting operation. We had more of an international scouting operation in 1994 and during the early Burley years. | | | |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:58 - Mar 8 with 2986 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The negative cr@p has already begun ... on 17:49 - Mar 8 by Trequartista |
Their chances were more clear cut, the xg was 3.42 v 1.17. Fine margins are more like when both teams produce pretty similar threats and one goes in off a post for one team and not for another. Otherwise you could just say fine margins for any game that ends up 1-0. |
As I say, I didn't watch but that xG would suggest Palmer played out of his skin to keep it down to 1 and Henderson had a good game too to keep it well below the xG. Fair enough if that's the case. | |
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