| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? 09:14 - Mar 9 with 5772 views | textbackup |
Not sure if that was mentioned in the stories earlier in the season. |  |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 16:57 - Mar 9 with 1544 views | billlm |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 10:33 - Mar 9 by textbackup |
Have we improved this season?
Don’t honestly think we have |
I think so,
We have been completive in a lot of games this season and just come up short,
Will we go down I'd say so,
But we are better yes it's the opposition who are a class above,
Next season we will tell, |  | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 17:05 - Mar 9 with 1521 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 15:55 - Mar 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Wow! Definitely glad you aren't involved in running the club. That was the Marcus Evans way. Keep it cheap, can always sack and try again. Eventually find a manager ho can halt the slide and stick with him whilst drying up the funding and it becomes increasingly stale.
There is clearly a balance between making sure the club doesn't over-extend itself but to place no value on a highly successful asset is madness. |
I don't believe the club employ idiots, so we can be thankful they run the club and not some of the weird-arse ideas on the forum. |  | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 17:48 - Mar 9 with 1477 views | Whos_blue |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 10:33 - Mar 9 by textbackup |
Have we improved this season?
Don’t honestly think we have |
I guess the question to ask ourselves is does this team beat last year's team?
I feel confident it would.
Not scientific in anyway of course but I would call that an improvement. |  |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 18:28 - Mar 9 with 1455 views | textbackup |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 17:48 - Mar 9 by Whos_blue |
I guess the question to ask ourselves is does this team beat last year's team?
I feel confident it would.
Not scientific in anyway of course but I would call that an improvement. |
Do you think? I really don’t, think last years would walk out 2-0 winners | |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 19:03 - Mar 9 with 1418 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 18:28 - Mar 9 by textbackup |
Do you think? I really don’t, think last years would walk out 2-0 winners |
I love the fact your analysis is in one game last year's side wins 2-0. Absolutely no way you can call a one off game or even what that even means on a one off game.
This team has way more quality than last season's. Last season's squad is below Southampton for absolute sure. This season's squad beats last season's one 60% of the time. Draws 20% and loses 20% approx in my opinion.
It's not even close. Look at the players who have gone out and where they are playing: Dom Ball, Harness, Jackson, Edmondson, Hladky. None of them pulling up trees in lower divisions.
Do you really think McKenna is watching the ones we kept and seeing them being better than the new boys and choosing not to play them? It will be very visible to the eye and in the tons of data they have the difference. McKenna has tons of premier league experience and he knew the squad were miles off and that's why we did what we did. He massively overachieved with that squad last year. One thing it certainly had was great spirit and unity. Incredible group in that respect but prem was a huge step too far. | |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 20:07 - Mar 9 with 1370 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 19:03 - Mar 9 by Nutkins_Return |
I love the fact your analysis is in one game last year's side wins 2-0. Absolutely no way you can call a one off game or even what that even means on a one off game.
This team has way more quality than last season's. Last season's squad is below Southampton for absolute sure. This season's squad beats last season's one 60% of the time. Draws 20% and loses 20% approx in my opinion.
It's not even close. Look at the players who have gone out and where they are playing: Dom Ball, Harness, Jackson, Edmondson, Hladky. None of them pulling up trees in lower divisions.
Do you really think McKenna is watching the ones we kept and seeing them being better than the new boys and choosing not to play them? It will be very visible to the eye and in the tons of data they have the difference. McKenna has tons of premier league experience and he knew the squad were miles off and that's why we did what we did. He massively overachieved with that squad last year. One thing it certainly had was great spirit and unity. Incredible group in that respect but prem was a huge step too far. |
Hang on.. when is this game being played hypothetically?
If it was tomorrow for example. Last year's team were a team so I think they would still beat this year's team as its a team of individuals.
Hirst working with broadhead, chappers, burns imo scores more than delap, Julio. Philogene. J clarke. |  |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 20:32 - Mar 9 with 1344 views | bsw72 |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 18:28 - Mar 9 by textbackup |
Do you think? I really don’t, think last years would walk out 2-0 winners |
Ha ha ha. You’re funny. |  | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 20:40 - Mar 9 with 1323 views | ITFCBlues |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 18:28 - Mar 9 by textbackup |
Do you think? I really don’t, think last years would walk out 2-0 winners |
I guess the barometer is the Leeds, Saints and Leicester games last season. Thumped by Leeds twice, beat saints and a fortunate win and two fortunate draws against Leicester. |  |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 21:36 - Mar 9 with 1286 views | itfcsuth |
It will have - as will the players.
It’s pretty standard, at nearly all levels for promotion & relegation percentages. |  | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 21:39 - Mar 9 with 1280 views | itfcsuth |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 10:33 - Mar 9 by textbackup |
Have we improved this season?
Don’t honestly think we have |
Pound for pound it’s not a fair argument though.
If we had bought the right quality for the league, I have no doubts KMc would have improved us once again this season.
Of course he takes a share of that responsibility in the recruitment, but after the journey he and the club has been on, he remains untouchable and deserves every opportunity to bounce back after a difficult season.
Summer transfer dealings will be massive though. | | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 08:59 - Mar 10 with 1104 views | textbackup |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 19:03 - Mar 9 by Nutkins_Return |
I love the fact your analysis is in one game last year's side wins 2-0. Absolutely no way you can call a one off game or even what that even means on a one off game.
This team has way more quality than last season's. Last season's squad is below Southampton for absolute sure. This season's squad beats last season's one 60% of the time. Draws 20% and loses 20% approx in my opinion.
It's not even close. Look at the players who have gone out and where they are playing: Dom Ball, Harness, Jackson, Edmondson, Hladky. None of them pulling up trees in lower divisions.
Do you really think McKenna is watching the ones we kept and seeing them being better than the new boys and choosing not to play them? It will be very visible to the eye and in the tons of data they have the difference. McKenna has tons of premier league experience and he knew the squad were miles off and that's why we did what we did. He massively overachieved with that squad last year. One thing it certainly had was great spirit and unity. Incredible group in that respect but prem was a huge step too far. |
You realise the 2-0 was plucked from thin air with no base around why I went for 2-0? You’ve taken that a bit too seriously.
But, based on confidence and spirit, I still think last seasons team would win. | |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 12:06 - Mar 10 with 1041 views | OldFart71 |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 09:46 - Mar 9 by bsw72 |
Would imagine so but 9 months ago people were clamouring to keep him at all costs. That’s the element of risk taken with a young manager with only coaching experience at the top level.
I still think £6m (or £25m if he sees his contract out) remains a good investment considering the returns he has given the club will be in excess of £250m even if we fail to stay up and remain in the champs for next 3 seasons.
The club has been revitalised under his management and despite the fact we are almost certain to be relegated the quality of squad we have now (and likely next season) is hugely improved on the crap we’ve had to watch for the previous 20 years.
The main problem is that the success and momentum generated in the last 2 seasons gave people expectation that we had a good chance to stay in the PL, it was always going to be a huge challenge but the fact we have been close in a lot of games shows how far we have come.
Both Southampton and Leicester had stronger squads and more PL experience but have been worse than us, showing quite how massive the gap between PL and Champ is.
I’m disappointed to have been close in so many games, but this represents a huge step forward and if people fail to see how much the club has moved forward, even in relegation, then I question how realistic were their expectations.
We have improved, developed and learned from this season, and I for one will not judge whether this season has been a complete failure until Sept/Oct as that will be the measure for me. In the top 6 will be acceptable and the target should be top 2. Lifting the spirits and rebuilding for a promotion push will tell us how good McKenna is. [Post edited 9 Mar 9:50]
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I think when you look at teams that will survive against those that get relegated or those that challenge for Silverware the difference is that those that survive have at least one or two outstanding players. Those that challenge for silverware have a crop of outstanding players and those like ourselves have no outstanding players. | | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 14:09 - Mar 10 with 993 views | cressi |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 11:13 - Mar 9 by Libero |
I'm undecided on 'improved' as a team but there has certainly been individual improvements in players and what we have done is given a lot of inexperienced young players with masses of potential Premier League experience - they will be significantly stronger for the experience moving forward in my opinion and when he next return to the division will know what to expect.
I expect Delap and Davis will be off, but many of the squad we have no will undoubtedly be key players in the Championship next season and potentially in the Premier League the season after - we're well ahead of schedule right now, as disappointing as the season has been there's undoubted positives that won't become apparant until around October next season and beyond. |
Delap yes, Davies not so sure has done nothing to suggest anyone will pay that much as he simply can't defend. I think Hutchinson could end up at Fulham sort of side. | | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 14:12 - Mar 10 with 991 views | cressi |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 11:02 - Mar 9 by algy |
The most important thing in transforming the club is the previous owner selling to a group with more money than our club has ever seen and access to more money continuing.
Face it, if we didn't have that, KM wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole. |
100% right and if he leaves I'm sure with the backers we will be fine. | | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 20:28 - Mar 10 with 908 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 20:07 - Mar 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hang on.. when is this game being played hypothetically?
If it was tomorrow for example. Last year's team were a team so I think they would still beat this year's team as its a team of individuals.
Hirst working with broadhead, chappers, burns imo scores more than delap, Julio. Philogene. J clarke. |
2 of those are out injured (and would be available for both sides) and another is available for both sides. If tomorrow, it would be Broadhead, Hirst, Jackson, and Harness vs Delap, Enciso, Philogene, and Hutchinson. The bench options this season would be better too except they are not the step up in the Premier League that they were in the Championship. |  |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 22:21 - Mar 10 with 849 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 08:59 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
You realise the 2-0 was plucked from thin air with no base around why I went for 2-0? You’ve taken that a bit too seriously.
But, based on confidence and spirit, I still think last seasons team would win. |
That's the same thing then isn't. "You realise I was joking when I said last season's team would win but I do think last season's team would win".
As per any FA cup game a lower team could beat a higher one in a one off game so it doesn't mean much.
Team we have now is much much better. A few games back in the champ and some wins and this team would take some stopping! All that remains to be seen is just how many of them we lose next season | |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 00:14 - Mar 11 with 785 views | TractorWood |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 08:59 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
You realise the 2-0 was plucked from thin air with no base around why I went for 2-0? You’ve taken that a bit too seriously.
But, based on confidence and spirit, I still think last seasons team would win. |
I think this season is a better set of players. Whether they would beat that magic bunch last season feels impossible to call. I don't think there would be an obvious £150m difference. |  |
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| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 07:23 - Mar 11 with 701 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 19:03 - Mar 9 by Nutkins_Return |
I love the fact your analysis is in one game last year's side wins 2-0. Absolutely no way you can call a one off game or even what that even means on a one off game.
This team has way more quality than last season's. Last season's squad is below Southampton for absolute sure. This season's squad beats last season's one 60% of the time. Draws 20% and loses 20% approx in my opinion.
It's not even close. Look at the players who have gone out and where they are playing: Dom Ball, Harness, Jackson, Edmondson, Hladky. None of them pulling up trees in lower divisions.
Do you really think McKenna is watching the ones we kept and seeing them being better than the new boys and choosing not to play them? It will be very visible to the eye and in the tons of data they have the difference. McKenna has tons of premier league experience and he knew the squad were miles off and that's why we did what we did. He massively overachieved with that squad last year. One thing it certainly had was great spirit and unity. Incredible group in that respect but prem was a huge step too far. |
But on your basis of where leavers are playing now how many of the team are from clubs we finished above? | | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 08:35 - Mar 11 with 649 views | ITFCSG |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 00:14 - Mar 11 by TractorWood |
I think this season is a better set of players. Whether they would beat that magic bunch last season feels impossible to call. I don't think there would be an obvious £150m difference. |
Maybe on paper, but I am not seeing the quality on the pitch
I don’t even think our current XI is an automatic Champ side - would you be confident of us comfortably beating the Leeds and Sheff Utd teams?
If you take out Cajuste, Phillips, Delap etc. who won’t be here next season, we’re probably a weaker side than the current Leeds team
Face the facts, recruitment this year has been $hite. Signing youth players with no PL experience and Championship players = a date with relegation
Soton and Leicester have $hite management, do you really want to compare Gamechanger to the shenanigans at Sport Republic and King Power? | | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 09:09 - Mar 11 with 606 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 19:03 - Mar 9 by Nutkins_Return |
I love the fact your analysis is in one game last year's side wins 2-0. Absolutely no way you can call a one off game or even what that even means on a one off game.
This team has way more quality than last season's. Last season's squad is below Southampton for absolute sure. This season's squad beats last season's one 60% of the time. Draws 20% and loses 20% approx in my opinion.
It's not even close. Look at the players who have gone out and where they are playing: Dom Ball, Harness, Jackson, Edmondson, Hladky. None of them pulling up trees in lower divisions.
Do you really think McKenna is watching the ones we kept and seeing them being better than the new boys and choosing not to play them? It will be very visible to the eye and in the tons of data they have the difference. McKenna has tons of premier league experience and he knew the squad were miles off and that's why we did what we did. He massively overachieved with that squad last year. One thing it certainly had was great spirit and unity. Incredible group in that respect but prem was a huge step too far. |
It was the heart that made us so brilliant in the previous 2 season not just as a team but as a club and a fanbase.
You take away the heart, you are left with a load of random cobbled together footballers who sadly do not have the connection or the belonging needed. | | | |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 09:29 - Mar 11 with 567 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Has KMs contract got a significant % drop in wage if managing in the Champ? on 08:35 - Mar 11 by ITFCSG |
Maybe on paper, but I am not seeing the quality on the pitch
I don’t even think our current XI is an automatic Champ side - would you be confident of us comfortably beating the Leeds and Sheff Utd teams?
If you take out Cajuste, Phillips, Delap etc. who won’t be here next season, we’re probably a weaker side than the current Leeds team
Face the facts, recruitment this year has been $hite. Signing youth players with no PL experience and Championship players = a date with relegation
Soton and Leicester have $hite management, do you really want to compare Gamechanger to the shenanigans at Sport Republic and King Power? |
Sheffield United ended last season in the PL with 16 points - already less than we've managed with 10 games left. They conceded 104 goals.
We've recruited a lot of the best Championship players from 2023/24. I don't see how you can negatively judge this seasons team vs a Championship bar when the gulf between the two leagues is so vast and they've all proven themselves to be competent to fantastic players at that level 12 months ago.
EDIT - and we also panned Coventry with ease a few weeks ago and they are flying at the moment. [Post edited 11 Mar 9:33]
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