| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... 18:15 - Mar 15 with 8303 views | wolfyattheback |
Deleted my post....
Apologies for the offence I caused showing my idiocy... [Post edited 15 Mar 19:06]
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:51 - Mar 15 with 1132 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
To take us to being only two goals worse than a team that will qualify for the Champions League, from playing Forest Green Rovers two years ago, suggests that he perhaps deserves more credit than you give him. | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:53 - Mar 15 with 1129 views | textbackup |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:37 - Mar 15 by WolfieAtTheBack |
KM seems like the sort of bloke who will learn from this and he if stays with us and comes back to the prem, he will be a force to be reckoned.
Not really sure where he would go anyway, what jobs are likely available in the summer.
Southampton, Leicester, some random European club, Celtic, Rangers, Spurs...... [Post edited 15 Mar 18:42]
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I’d like to be in the end of season debrief to hear what they all think went well, and not so well. |  |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:57 - Mar 15 with 1099 views | J2BLUE |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:50 - Mar 15 by blueasfook |
I don't understand your question Jitters. You say we have no manager? So that's assuming KM got the chop? Why would be in the running for the new manager then if he'd just got fired?
Or am I being thick? |
Sorry, should have been clearer. Hypothetical situation. We've just got rid of some other manager and need a manager for next season in the Championship.
If McKenna applied, he would get it wouldn't he? People say we should go for Rohl etc but he hasn't matched McKenna in the Championship. |  |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:58 - Mar 15 with 1081 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:53 - Mar 15 by textbackup |
I’d like to be in the end of season debrief to hear what they all think went well, and not so well. |
I am expecting shortly a Mark Ashton video and a 5 point plan for next season. | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:59 - Mar 15 with 1064 views | J2BLUE |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:53 - Mar 15 by textbackup |
I’d like to be in the end of season debrief to hear what they all think went well, and not so well. |
Mid-May to mid-August
Mid-August to mid-May. | |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:59 - Mar 15 with 1051 views | MattinLondon |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:38 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Please share why its rubbish
George got us 5th in the prem. Then relegated. We then didn't follow that up well and he was let go.. his credit was reset the minute we got relegated. Why should that be different to KM?
We won't be a small fish in the championship. So that excuse won't cut it. We will be 1 of only 3 parachute clubs in the league ( maybe 4 depending on luton)
I don't think it's gonna be easy due to the amount of players we will still need to bring in. But because of the finances available we should really be aiming for automatics. Just like any relegated prem side should.
KM has had a free hit this season. Are you saying he gets a free hit next season? |
At the risk of belittling that teams achievement of finishing fifth (which I’m not), the gap between the top two divisions now is immense. Then, it was big, but now way way bigger.
KM has a lot of credit still in the bank and rightly so - but that credit will run out if we don’t get off to a great start next season. Next season, the aim will be automatic promotion and rightly so. The standard of the championship in comparison to the PL is piss poor. With parachute payments as well as what will remain of this seasons squad we should finish in the top two.
If KM struggles next season at the start then he’ll be gone. |  | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:00 - Mar 15 with 1047 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
I just noted we have the same forum name. | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:00 - Mar 15 with 1042 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:44 - Mar 15 by J2BLUE |
Ok, so the future is now.
We have no manager. The applicants are the usual crowd and McKenna.
Who do you give the job to? Someone who won promotion in the early 2000s and has been out of a job for five years? Someone from the Championship who has done well but hasn't matched McKenna's performance?
McKenna has taken us from league one to, at worst, a top end Championship club with serious financial firepower. |
I'd get a young and progressive foreign manager in. One with foreign connections as well so we can tap on the market. We have a weak / non-existent scouting network and a manager who isn't willing / unable to work with foreign players signed directly from abroad.
Something in the ilk of Röhl, Le Bris, Hürzeler or even older ones like Farke and Wagner. Heck even West Brom managed to get Carlos Corberán. | | | |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:00 - Mar 15 with 1043 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:49 - Mar 15 by strikalite |
It was only last season, the step up this season was huge and everyone would have snapped your hand off if you'd had offered fourth bottom at the start of the season, it's not as if we're on 8 points cut adrift, bit of realism is needed... |
We are already NINE points adrift from safety with a much inferior goal difference, what are you smoking? | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:00 - Mar 15 with 1040 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:57 - Mar 15 by J2BLUE |
Sorry, should have been clearer. Hypothetical situation. We've just got rid of some other manager and need a manager for next season in the Championship.
If McKenna applied, he would get it wouldn't he? People say we should go for Rohl etc but he hasn't matched McKenna in the Championship. |
Yes, but Röhl was working under scrooge Chansiri with a limited budget. No difference from MM and ME.
I guarantee you it will be a different story if he had the same 130 million like us to splurge. | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:02 - Mar 15 with 1017 views | J2BLUE |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:00 - Mar 15 by ITFCSG |
Yes, but Röhl was working under scrooge Chansiri with a limited budget. No difference from MM and ME.
I guarantee you it will be a different story if he had the same 130 million like us to splurge. |
McKenna spent a bit but he didn't have mega millions in the Championship.
You guarantee it? How? | |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:11 - Mar 15 with 931 views | Crawfordsboot |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:50 - Mar 15 by blueasfook |
I don't understand your question Jitters. You say we have no manager? So that's assuming KM got the chop? Why would be in the running for the new manager then if he'd just got fired?
Or am I being thick? |
I think so.
It’s easy enough to understand that he means “imagine” we have no manager…. |  | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:11 - Mar 15 with 930 views | itfcjoe |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:00 - Mar 15 by ITFCSG |
I'd get a young and progressive foreign manager in. One with foreign connections as well so we can tap on the market. We have a weak / non-existent scouting network and a manager who isn't willing / unable to work with foreign players signed directly from abroad.
Something in the ilk of Röhl, Le Bris, Hürzeler or even older ones like Farke and Wagner. Heck even West Brom managed to get Carlos Corberán. |
Yeh - let’s just get a random foreigner….brilliant input |  |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:13 - Mar 15 with 916 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:59 - Mar 15 by MattinLondon |
At the risk of belittling that teams achievement of finishing fifth (which I’m not), the gap between the top two divisions now is immense. Then, it was big, but now way way bigger.
KM has a lot of credit still in the bank and rightly so - but that credit will run out if we don’t get off to a great start next season. Next season, the aim will be automatic promotion and rightly so. The standard of the championship in comparison to the PL is piss poor. With parachute payments as well as what will remain of this seasons squad we should finish in the top two.
If KM struggles next season at the start then he’ll be gone. |
But thats exactly what I'm saying
If he is here next season he's had his 1 free hit season. He doesn't go into next season in the champ with any credit it will be autos or out and if we aren't competing for promotion I do think ashton will make a change. |  |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:13 - Mar 15 with 916 views | mellowblue |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 18:18 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
The credit is still there for many Inc ashton you'd imagine.
Imo that credit does go to zero once relegation is confirmed. That doesn't mean KM out. Just means we go into next season kinda like burleys season after relegation. And I think that's fair. That's not forgetting what's happened before.. but when you go down and after what we've spent we won't want to be staying down to long. [Post edited 15 Mar 18:20]
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He certainly can't afford a Grimsby away like Burley had. | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:15 - Mar 15 with 896 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:02 - Mar 15 by J2BLUE |
McKenna spent a bit but he didn't have mega millions in the Championship.
You guarantee it? How? |
Röhl spent just £1.8 million last season, on the other hand we spent £6 million or thereabouts
This season Röhl spent slightly more than £5 million. From escaping relegation last season to having a chance at the play-offs this season.
We spent 30x more than that and look at the shambles of squad we have. Do we look 30x better than Wednesday now?
Look at what other managers are signing. Elanga, Mateta, Unal, Sarr etc cost less than the overpriced youth like Philogene, J Clarke and duds like Muric we signed that are not fit for the PL. There's a whole lot more players across all positions I can list and I am not even considering players that have gone to the big 6 clubs. [Post edited 15 Mar 19:20]
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:17 - Mar 15 with 876 views | Dubtractor |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:13 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
But thats exactly what I'm saying
If he is here next season he's had his 1 free hit season. He doesn't go into next season in the champ with any credit it will be autos or out and if we aren't competing for promotion I do think ashton will make a change. |
I broadly agree with you tbh.
The expectation next season will be top 6 as a minimum. The money spent this season may have fallen short for the Premier league, and part of that is about the type of player (young/high potential), but the money we've spent will have to see good performance in the league below. |  |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:20 - Mar 15 with 854 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:11 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe |
Yeh - let’s just get a random foreigner….brilliant input |
So are you telling me that Sheff Wed, Sunderland, Brighton, Norwich, West Brom etc were recruiting "random foreigners" to be their managers without due process? Grow up. | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:23 - Mar 15 with 821 views | J2BLUE |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:15 - Mar 15 by ITFCSG |
Röhl spent just £1.8 million last season, on the other hand we spent £6 million or thereabouts
This season Röhl spent slightly more than £5 million. From escaping relegation last season to having a chance at the play-offs this season.
We spent 30x more than that and look at the shambles of squad we have. Do we look 30x better than Wednesday now?
Look at what other managers are signing. Elanga, Mateta, Unal, Sarr etc cost less than the overpriced youth like Philogene, J Clarke and duds like Muric we signed that are not fit for the PL. There's a whole lot more players across all positions I can list and I am not even considering players that have gone to the big 6 clubs. [Post edited 15 Mar 19:20]
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So he's had almost as much to spend this season and isn't doing as well as McKenna?
I get there's more to it but really you're just trying to justify wanting to make a change. There is no reason to think he would do better than McKenna or justify the cost it would take to make the change. Not to mention the negativity of sacking a manager who doesn't deserve to be sacked. Thankfully the owners are more sensible. | |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:24 - Mar 15 with 821 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:17 - Mar 15 by Dubtractor |
I broadly agree with you tbh.
The expectation next season will be top 6 as a minimum. The money spent this season may have fallen short for the Premier league, and part of that is about the type of player (young/high potential), but the money we've spent will have to see good performance in the league below. |
Yes. McKenna's credit in the bank has rightly kept him safe this season. Any other Premier League manager who started the season would have been sacked for taking his club on this kind of run.
But the credit will be depleted should we be in the Championship next season. Nowhere near as much time or understanding will be given if we have a 2002/03 like start. | |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:25 - Mar 15 with 821 views | Smoresy |
Putting the beer goggles and blue spectacles to one side:
1) L1, expectation met. We were funded to succeed in his first season and we did. Good credit in the bank.
2) CH, wild overachievement. We were funded to either sneak a play-offs spot or finish somewhere in the middle. Hugely outgunned by the parachute clubs in resources, on and off the pitch. Huge credit in the bank.
3) PL, expectation somewhat met. We were promoted with the lowest quality, least expensive squad by a margin. We were more effective than Southampton against lots of teams of similar ability to us, but significant spending was required to catch up with our promotion rivals from last season, let alone established PL clubs. We struggled to live with the quality for large patches against the more talented squads, while Southampton sauntered to three wins from three against Leeds. Southampton were the only top 6 team that we managed to beat, while the second win was a comeback for the ages.
The majority of pundits, data analysts, supercomputers thought we'd be relegated after our summer spending. We as supporters were understandably dreaming much bigger, but instead we've kept pace with the more obvious benchmark, our much richer peers from 23/24. Some credit lost, counterbalancing the credit won in the first season.
4) CH, expectation to seriously challenge for promotion. Failing to reach the playoffs would see a huge drop in credit. | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:27 - Mar 15 with 809 views | MK1 |
Will be the best man to bring us back up. |  |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:35 - Mar 15 with 776 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:23 - Mar 15 by J2BLUE |
So he's had almost as much to spend this season and isn't doing as well as McKenna?
I get there's more to it but really you're just trying to justify wanting to make a change. There is no reason to think he would do better than McKenna or justify the cost it would take to make the change. Not to mention the negativity of sacking a manager who doesn't deserve to be sacked. Thankfully the owners are more sensible. |
Because Wednesday has a shi*e squad of ageing players and journeymen when they were promoted. Our CM will look like them if we don't swap out Morsy and Luongo next season.
Even last season in the Championship we were poor v the top 6 sides. Southampton aside we only managed 4 out of 24 points vs the other 4 sides. That should have already been a warning that our squad was light years away from being Prem ready. And lo and behold, we performed even worse vs Southampton this season after spending tens of millions more than them!
You dare to say our recruitment has been satisfactory (price + performance) over the summer and in Jan? | | | |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:54 - Mar 15 with 712 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:25 - Mar 15 by Smoresy |
Putting the beer goggles and blue spectacles to one side:
1) L1, expectation met. We were funded to succeed in his first season and we did. Good credit in the bank.
2) CH, wild overachievement. We were funded to either sneak a play-offs spot or finish somewhere in the middle. Hugely outgunned by the parachute clubs in resources, on and off the pitch. Huge credit in the bank.
3) PL, expectation somewhat met. We were promoted with the lowest quality, least expensive squad by a margin. We were more effective than Southampton against lots of teams of similar ability to us, but significant spending was required to catch up with our promotion rivals from last season, let alone established PL clubs. We struggled to live with the quality for large patches against the more talented squads, while Southampton sauntered to three wins from three against Leeds. Southampton were the only top 6 team that we managed to beat, while the second win was a comeback for the ages.
The majority of pundits, data analysts, supercomputers thought we'd be relegated after our summer spending. We as supporters were understandably dreaming much bigger, but instead we've kept pace with the more obvious benchmark, our much richer peers from 23/24. Some credit lost, counterbalancing the credit won in the first season.
4) CH, expectation to seriously challenge for promotion. Failing to reach the playoffs would see a huge drop in credit. |
It's difficult.
But don't the summer and especially Jan windows point towards a club that has accepted relegation and is therefore building for the future? |  |
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| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 20:01 - Mar 15 with 680 views | itfcjoe |
| McKenna HAD a lot of credit in the bank... on 19:20 - Mar 15 by ITFCSG |
So are you telling me that Sheff Wed, Sunderland, Brighton, Norwich, West Brom etc were recruiting "random foreigners" to be their managers without due process? Grow up. |
What about if due process suggests a British manager? | |
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